Ron Paul Suggests Axing 5 U.S. Federal Departments (and Budgets)

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posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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Ron Paul Suggests Axing 5 U.S. Federal Departments (and Budgets)


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"Presidential hopeful Ron Paul's new proposal to slash federal spending would wipe out large chunks of the government's research portfolio. The congressman from Texas and Republican candidate has unveiled a budget plan to reduce the deficit that would eliminate five federal departments: Energy, Commerce, Interior, Education, and Housing and Urban Development. In one fell swoop, such a step would erase, among other programs, the Energy Department's $5-billion Office of Science, the $4.5-billion National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the $750-million National Institute of Standards
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posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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I really like Ron Paul, I really do, but axing of some of the government agencies mentioned seems excessive. Is it Ron Paul's plan to completely remove all Federal support to the sciences? I am not sure, but it looks that way.

Yes the states can look after many things, and the people can buck up and look after themselves in many areas. Yet is it not a collective will in many areas, mostly science, that made the USA such a super power and beacon for freedom that we see it as today.

I like the man, I really do, but he needs to back off on his stance in regards to science, research and development... do you really want corporations to hold the technological edge? Corporations that are sovereign to none...

Just to add - I normally visit 3 main sites to get an overview on things, that being ATS, Slashdot and CNN, I see ATS as a good place to find news that the mainstream won't touch, CNN as basically government shills and Slashdot as a good area for neutral academic type discussion. In saying this I ask you, the reader to take special heed of the comments about this on Slashdot... well not all, but it should be realised that there are many smart people that frequent that site, people worth listening to...

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posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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have you not heard of those bogus scientific studies, they are a complete waste of time... this to me doesnt seem like much of a dent in the bucket on spending, but they probably are worthless unefficient spending that should be eliminated. Along with it about 700 billion in military spending and that should be good.



posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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I understand the concern here.

What I think will happen is that in the broad spectrum these departments overall have done more damage than anything else. That said, within these departments, there are areas that actually provide a legitimate benefit to the citizens. Things like NOAA, I believe will be rolled up into other departments. I believe that his plan is to get rid of all the malfeasance in one strike, then take the good parts and move them elsewhere to a more sustainable department.



posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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Ron Paul is an IDIOT plain and simple. His ideas while they sound nice would NOT work in THIS world. Cat lives in fantasy land.
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posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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What Ron Paul thinks and what his intentions are will not effect the country. While he has many good ideas, he is not part of the Republican good ol' boy network. Those in the network have to display no particular talent [Dubya, Reagan] to be nominated or elected and those outside can't even be be nominated.
I agree that dismantling Federal R&D would not be good for the nation. Much of our existing technology has a basis in Federal R&D.



posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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They will, for those of us who wish to practice personal responsibility.

Those that do not wish to have personal responsibility, well, then I guess you will be screwed then.



posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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You may quibble about this program or Department but major changes have to occur in the size of our government if we are ever to get the deficit under control. You really can't tax people more, it will be counterproductive in the end. Even if we tax people more, the history of the US Government is that it will just spend the tax increase rather than trim our deficit. Government must shrink in order for us to stop being a major Debtor nation like some third world country.

At least the man has a plan..... Have you looked at the other plans out there......they kick the proverbial deficit can down the road and use rosy assumptions to make them look feasible.

Regardless of tax increases, without cuts to our Federal Budget, things aren't going to get better. Yes, there will be pain with the cuts, but keeping the status quo just makes things worse in the long run.
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posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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How about we start with DHS and especially the TSA???? NONE like these two branches for good reason, they are intrusive and accomplish very little actual security. Then cut down on the cia and nsa budget, cut down on classfied dod projects, cut down on the bogus "war on drugs" bs, dismantle the FED, restructure nasa so they can actually accomplish SOMETHING which is better than NOTHING.

Need more ideas? Give me a break. The man is a nwo clown!
He says "lets audit the fed and then create competing currencies". Yeah that will really work man.



posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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Im looking at it the same way Paul is. They have yet to show any resulst for the money they use. Get rid of them. We dont need them.



posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by Skewed
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Things like NOAA, I believe will be rolled up into other departments. I believe that his plan is to get rid of all the malfeasance in one strike, then take the good parts and move them elsewhere to a more sustainable department.


That's the most likely scenario. He won't say it, but NOAA would certainly not be disbanded...unless he's a complete moron. Wait....



posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 03:54 PM
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I hope Dr. Paul disbands the Agency that is responsible for his and his family protection and safety. He should take personal responsibility for his own safety instead of wasting taxpayer money.

Dementia is settling in on the old man!!

He has some good ideas; this ain't one of em!!

I wonder if the people employed by the agencies he targeted will be voting for him now? I doubt it. And do you have any idea how many private contractors rely on those agencies for their livelihood?

He just sunk any chances of being nominated by the GOP. His only hope is a third party run for the WH and I doubt if he can raise the money required for a viable campaign.

A couple more brilliant ideas like this and even his staunch devotees will be bailing on him.





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posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by thegoods724
have you not heard of those bogus scientific studies, they are a complete waste of time... this to me doesnt seem like much of a dent in the bucket on spending, but they probably are worthless unefficient spending that should be eliminated. Along with it about 700 billion in military spending and that should be good.

You're right! Those eggheads just waste our hard earned tax dollars on all kinds of 'science' that has nothing to do with us average every-day working stiffs.

Think of all the Walmarts you could build with the money you save, and everybody would have a job, to boot!



posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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We had a great Air Force in 1947 when our Air Wings were under the US Army. Army Air Corps.

It became a separate military branch due to the booming economy following WWII.

Parties over. Get rid of the separate service secretary, Secretary of the Air Force.



posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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Cutting government administration at the department level within agencies is not a new idea. Worthwhile programs within those targeted departments can be shifted to a different branch of management and hopefully with better goals and more positive results.



posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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I'm a teacher. I say CUT the federal department of education. Let the states make decisions about education rather than funneling money through Washington that they decide to send back to us in the states. Ron Paul is right about that one.



posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 10:29 PM
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That's sure to create jobs.



posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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I was just going through the flow charts of many of the Cabinet Level departments.
Most of them are bloated and unnecessary and should be under the States anyway.

Who is better suited to manage the wildlife and parks than the States where they are located?
Why have a Dept. of Education when this is redundant and also better handled on a State and local level.
I would add the Dept. of Transportation to the list also. Most things are handled by State DOTs anyway.

Dept. of Homeland Security has more than 200,000 employees. Get rid of the TSA and any other make-work projects for the unemployed.
Yes this would throw a lot of people out of work.

We need tariffs to bring jobs back. If you eliminate the benefit of cheap offshore labor and save on shipping fees from bringing in trinkets from overseas then I guess it would reinvigorate the widget industry.

Agriculture needs to be managed by the States.
Congress needs a pay cut to $50,000 per year and no special retirement or health insurance. If we get Obamacare then they should be subject to Obamacare.
If there is no high pay or perks or palm greasing going on then only people really interested in "serving" need apply.
Lobbyist should be strictly prohibited.

And last but not least, the Charter for the Federal Reserve that ends in December 2012 should not be renewed.





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