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posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 06:23 PM
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Machine gun funk (Notorius BIG) (verse 1, line 13)

Mesias (Ricardo Arjona)

Are predictions about world events being shown in lyrics?
Have you noticed anything similar in songs you have listened to?




posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 08:49 PM
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... sorry music lyrics dont make predictions they were just songs nothing more.



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 08:53 PM
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This reminds me of MGJ's thread on TuPac..


btw, where is MGJ?



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 10:54 PM
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Funny you should ask. One day I was trying to find out who's quote I was using for my signature, because I didn't know who had said it. Turned out to be Jimi Hendrix. So I started to do some research on Jimi Hendrix. Turns out there is a book by a man named Michael Fairchild, titled Rock Prophecy. His website was at RockProphecy.com. I just checked it though, and it "can't be found". I know it worked a few weeks ago, so I don't know what is up with that?

Anyways, I have talked with Michael via e-mail a couple of times. He is a pretty interesting guy. Lives in New York, and plays guitar in a Jimi Hendrix tribute band. From what I hear, he plays a mean Jimi style guitar too! Anyways, he was origionally hired by Jimi's estate, to catalog his writtings, music ect. Basically Jimi's historian. After doing this for a while he wrote this book. The book is about Jimi Hendrix prophecies that were made in his song lyrics etc.. He is 100% convinced, that Jimi Hendrix was predicting a major catastrophy on Earth. Get this, from a asteroid. I think a few people on here may find that part interesting. With all of the recent talk we have had on here about it.

Here are some Jimi Hendrix examples for you all, where Michael feels Jimi is refering to an astroid impact on Earth. According to Michael, mountain = astroid:

If the Sun refused to Shine, I don't mind. Fall mountain (asteroid) fall,
just don't fall on me.

I stand up next to a mountain (asteroid), and chop it down with the edge
of my hand.

Third Stone (asteroid) From the Sun

Stone (asteroid) Free

Like A Rolling Stone (asteroid).

Crosstown (asteroid intersection) Traffic

Earth Blues.sirens flashing with Earth and Rock and Stone.

Is that the Stars in the sky, or rain falling down.

Up from the skies. I come back to find the stars misplaced,
And the smell of a world that has burned. Maybe it's just a change of
climate.


And here is a Jimi quote as well:
JIMI: "Someday we're going to go to the moon and find a hole big
[impact] cavern carved out.That's part of man's ego, to be busted,
don't you understand?.All they had to do is follow the vibes, just be
groovy and go on and do their thing - build this [laser satellite
defense], you know - but NOOOooo, they want to monkey around here, and
monkey around there. There was a planet - how many planets are in the
solar system? Nine. Now, there used to be TEN, but then, like, there's
a whole asteroid belt that's messed up now - right? If you put [the
rocks] together, it might be the size approximately of Earth. So you
can imagine some people over there [on the smashed planet] messin' with
even their own home, like we are doing now - mess up the air, digging
this out here, hacking that up, living on the side of volcanoes and so
forth. I believe there was a whole planet there, people that was so
lost that they even put rockets on the side of their planet - 'Let's
change orbits! Let me get warm!' - and blew the whole thing, because it
wasn't happening for them."

So Michael, after seeing all of these references, was convinced Jimi was making a prophesy. So what did he do? He wrote Rock Prophesy about it. (Alot of people on this site would probably enjoy this book! I haven't read the whole thing yet, but I have read several transcripts from it online.) After he was finished, he tried to get it published, to no avail.. A while later after he had submitted it for copyright. All of the media started picking up on this theme. Movies like Armagedon ect. all came out, and the theme of an astroid hitting Earth exploded. He is convinced this theme was taken from his book yet to be published. Michael is convinced that they read his work at the Library of Congress, and stole the idea for their own profits. Meanwhile blackballing the book, so it wouldn't get published.

Sometime around when all of this was going on. He was removed as the head of Jimi's estate by Jimi's family. Because the 2nd in command at Microsoft (don't remember his name) wanted to purchase the rights to Jimi's songs etc.. And build a museum in his honor. He is convinced as well, that this guy at Microsoft was/is trying to stop this information from getting out to the public.

So while my personal belief, is that some musicians are modern day prophets. I can not state it as a fact. I can only speak from my personal experience as a musician myself.

Tom Sawyer

PLEASE READ!!!! An interesting side note to this about synchronicity! I wrote my first e-mail to Michael, and my computer crashed loosing it. I had taken a couple of hours to write it, so I didn't have alot of motivation to re-write it again right away. The next day I was on ATS, I think for my first time. I had performed a search on the Venus transit, because my birthday fell on June 8th. Anyways, I performed another search after that on Google, with "prophecy June 8th 1969". (My birthdate) I know you all won't believe me, but Michaels book Rock Prophecy was the #1 site that came up in my search. I took it as a sign, and re-wrote the e-mail to him that day. Do us both a favor, and do a Google search yourself right now, on "prophecy June 8th, 1969". I hope you will prove it to yourselves! Synchronicity, I'm telling you all is definately real!



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 10:56 PM
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I dont understand how Biggie was mentioned????



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by TomSawyer
I stand up next to a mountain (asteroid), and chop it down with the edge
of my hand.

Third Stone (asteroid) From the Sun

Stone (asteroid) Free

Like A Rolling Stone (asteroid).

Crosstown (asteroid intersection) Traffic

Earth Blues.sirens flashing with Earth and Rock and Stone.

Is that the Stars in the sky, or rain falling down.

Up from the skies. I come back to find the stars misplaced,
And the smell of a world that has burned. Maybe it's just a change of
climate.


Oh, where do I even begin with this one. First off, its called drugs (of which Jimi had taken a lot), and simply adding (asteriod) into each lyric or song title does not make it what Hendrix meant. You mention the song "Third Stone from the Sun"...think about it...it simply means "Earth". Jimi may have been a lot of things, but a prophet or psychic was not one of them. Face it, your friend is reading into things too much here, and as a musician myself I see no predictions he ever made in his lyrics or staff music. Most of his writings allude to some sort of drug induced hysteria, and the failings of the world. Some of these can be interpreted to be "predictions", but if someone says in lyrical context something to the effect of "Crosstown (asteroid intersection) Traffic" it does not mean they are talking about a cataclysmic event. In fact this example bears no resemblance to a catastrophy, its just that someone added in "asteroid intersection"...what is the purpose of that?

PS- On a side note...Hendrix is overrated!



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 11:45 PM
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Hey Jazzerman,
Shamans use "drugs" too. Are you trying to say they aren't enlightened? How about native American Indians, or other cultures that use them in their religion? Go ahead and write it all off, it's just one mans opinion after all. Which of course, is not overrated at all. Not even in your head. If you don't agree that's fine. Just don't make things personal, alright? I don't take verbal jabs sitting down. Your opinion is dually noted.

Here's another prediction in music for you all. "Now the parting on the left, is now parting on the right." "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Quoted from The Who- Won't Get Fooled Again.

Yeah right, watch the elections.
Tom



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 12:08 AM
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I won't say anything more than this, because I know lack of knowledge makes someone crave it even more

Please take notice of "artists"/"actors" who seem to have died of:
OVERDOSES
SUICIDE
MURDER

and to whoever said songs are just songs nothing more

.YOUR IGNORANT. Its on another level totally
if you can't realize the power any SONG has your dense
People use songs to change MOODS, THOUGHTS, ACTIONS...
Thats power.. Realize your double standards.. we live in reality
even a cartoon is reality. it exists therefore it is reality.
Everything has relevance, just like a movie, everything on the set has relevance



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 12:22 AM
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.Drugs and perception.

Drugs and perception (religeons even)
have been intertwined for ever. heard of the peace pipe?
or peyote? or mescaline? or perhaps '___'?
Have you ever noticed almost all prophets/shamans etc. have used drugs as a ritual, or what not to gain divine knowledge?
Ever noticed MOST times its for peace, and better living.
Ever notice how it effects our society (how the government likes it)
they did testing with '___' in the armed forces and they found that it made the soldiers unwilling to commit murder or carry out their " excersize tactics"

Drugs are the reason for a lot of religeons being formed or overstood/understood

So maybe just maybe it actually helps us view things better, almost, everything all at once. because if we could view everything all at once, we would have a different perception on things. Like maybe you wouldn't pick up that penny on the ground if you knew someone else would at the exact moment a bullet fired where they stood and it would hit them if they didn't bend down

So don't critisize someones views simply because the government makes drug users appear like losers



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 11:27 AM
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Is Jimi Hendrix overrated? Should we not listen to what he had to say, because he used alot of drugs? Was he insane? Let's see what some music experts think about this.

Quoted from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame:
www.rockhall.com...

"Jimi Hendrix expanded the range and vocabulary of the electric guitar into areas no musician had ever ventured before. Many would claim him to be the greatest guitarist ever to pick up the instrument. At the very least his creative drive, technical ability and painterly application of such effects as wah-wah and distortion forever transformed the sound of rock and roll."

"Many musical currents came together in his playing. Free jazz, Delta blues, acid rock, hardcore funk,"

"the songs and sounds generated by Hendrix were original, otherworldly and virtually indescribable. In essence, Hendrix channeled the music of the cosmos, anchoring it to the earthy beat of rock and roll."

Jimi Hendrix was discovered in September of 1966
His last performance was in Septemebr of 1970
So his career lasted all of 4 years.

From Forbes.com:
www.forbes.com...

Forbes Richest Deceased Celebrities
Rank Name Earnings ($mil)
1 Elvis Presley $37
2 Charles Schulz 28
3 John Lennon 20
4 Dale Earnhardt 20
5 Theodor "Dr. Seuss" Geisel 19
6 George Harrison 17
7 J.R.R. Tolkien 12
8 Bob Marley 10
9 Jimi Hendrix 8
10 Tupac Shakur 7
11 Marilyn Monroe 7
12 Jerry Garcia 5
13 Robert Ludlum 5

In total Hendrix sold more than 700,000 albums in 2001

From Celebrity wonder.com:

"Hendrix was named Greatest Guitarist Of All Time in the new issue of Rolling Stone magazine, which comes out on Friday (August 29). (August 28, 2003)"

Jimi Hendrix is overrated- effectively debunked

How about the drug issue. Should we not listen to Jimi, because he used too many drugs? Was he insane from all of his drug use? Was what he was saying just mindless dribble, caused from a drug induced stuper?

When it came to guitar, Jimi played it like no other person before him. Here are some little known facts about Jimi, that should open some eyes. Jimi Hendrix taught himself how to play the guitar. Not only that, but he played the guitar VERY unconventionally. How so? Well for starters he was left handed (hint hint). He also played the guitar backwards, i.e. with the neck facing the opposite dirrection of typical guitarists. On top of that he played his guitar strung upside down. I.E. his guitar strings were strung in reverse order then "normal" guitarists. Then to top that off, he was able to play the guitar behind his head and back.

I don't know about you all, but anyone who can play the guitar in that fashion is remarkable. How did he learn to play the way he did, with no one to teach him? And how is it possible for someone who played the guitar backwards, and strung upside down. To become recognized by his peers as one of the (if not the best) guitar player ever? He didn't even play it close to "correctly"! Yet he is easily recognized (by most people) as one of the best ever? How could anyone, even come up with the idea of playing the guitar the way he did? Could it be..........drugs?

For someone that was walking around in a constant drug induced stupper. (as some people would like to portray his life) It seems to me, he did pretty good for himself. Talk about beating the odds! He should have been on the street homeless, with all of the drugs he was doing right?! There is a very fine line between insanity and genious. I've given you some of the facts here. So you decide for yourselves. Was he insane, or a genious? If you choose genious. Then maybe, just maybe we should consider what he had to say with an open mind? At the very least, he obviously knew things, and understood things that most people never even considered before him. He was a revolutionary, and a one of a kind. Even the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame describes his music as "otherworldly", and that he "channeled the music of the cosmos".

Lastly, were Jimi's lyrics symbolic or literal? Well let's see. "I stand up next to a mountain, and chop it down with the edge of my hand." This shold be any easy one. So I won't waiste any more of anyones time here. DEBUNKED

Tom Sawyer

DISCLAIMER- I do not totally agree (yet) with Michael Fairchild about his conclusions on Jimi. I was simply answering the question posed in this thread. That yes there is prophecy in music. I myself happen to think that Steve Vai is the best guitarist ever. But that doesn't mean that I don't recognize Jimi, was definately one of the best ever, and one of a kind. Deny Ignorance



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 11:32 AM
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If you remember your history- the world trade center was attacked twice.



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 11:40 AM
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I thought "Rock the Casba" from the 80's was poignant....



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by TomSawyer
"Jimi Hendrix expanded the range and vocabulary of the electric guitar into areas no musician had ever ventured before. Many would claim him to be the greatest guitarist ever to pick up the instrument. At the very least his creative drive, technical ability and painterly application of such effects as wah-wah and distortion forever transformed the sound of rock and roll."

"Many musical currents came together in his playing. Free jazz, Delta blues, acid rock, hardcore funk,"


Jimi Hendrix is overrated- effectively debunked

When it came to guitar, Jimi played it like no other person before him. Here are some little known facts about Jimi, that should open some eyes. Jimi Hendrix taught himself how to play the guitar. Not only that, but he played the guitar VERY unconventionally. How so? Well for starters he was left handed (hint hint). He also played the guitar backwards, i.e. with the neck facing the opposite dirrection of typical guitarists. On top of that he played his guitar strung upside down. I.E. his guitar strings were strung in reverse order then "normal" guitarists. Then to top that off, he was able to play the guitar behind his head and back.

I don't know about you all, but anyone who can play the guitar in that fashion is remarkable. How did he learn to play the way he did, with no one to teach him? And how is it possible for someone who played the guitar backwards, and strung upside down. To become recognized by his peers as one of the (if not the best) guitar player ever? He didn't even play it close to "correctly"! Yet he is easily recognized (by most people) as one of the best ever? How could anyone, even come up with the idea of playing the guitar the way he did? Could it be..........drugs?


Obviously, you are not a musician. I point this out because Jimi simply played left handed, not right-handed stringed upside down for left hand. He was simply a left handed guitarist, and bears no resemblance to the playing styles of say Otis Rush or Albert King. There are many left handed players, and this is nothing to brag about.

The source (rockhall.com) says, "Jimi Hendrix expanded the range and vocabulary of the electric guitar into areas no musician had ever ventured before." Give me a break, apparently the source is devoid of total musical knowledge...many had pushed the bounds of the instrument before him including the likes of Charlie Christian, Grant Green, Django Reinhardt (whom is in my Avatar
), but to name a few. Jimi played different styles but usually stuck with pentatonic blues based licks, as many other musicians have done. Many musicians have played a variety of styles throughout history and "combined" these styles to create new genre's of music...Jimi was not even close to being the first. If the sources you use and yourself do not understand concepts behind music its not my fault...I am simply pointing out common misconceptions about other musicians like Hendrix.

Was Hendrix good? Sure, I like some of his stuff even. Was he a genius or prophet? Far from it I'm afraid.

PS- Don't even get me started on the details of his musicianship. He was simply good...not great!



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 11:49 AM
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Here is a picture of Jimi. His guitar stings are simply left handed as it always was...nothing special there. There are thousand that guitarists that play like this. He did use right handed guitar though, but it's just strung left handed for him...again nothing special.





[edit on 31-8-2004 by Jazzerman]



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 02:45 PM
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Jazzerman,

Maybe there is need for pause here on my part? You stated in your last post before you editted it "we strung it for him that way". Or something along those lines. Were you Jimi's guitar tech or something? Why did you say we strung his guitar, as if you yourself did it? As far as playing with his guitar strung upside down. There are several sources on the net, that contradict your claim.

www.geocities.com...
"Just as Hendrix was left handed and played a
right handed guitar strung upside down"

english.vietnamnet.vn...
"Jimi Hendrix's younger brother Leon recalled, "When Jimi would play left-handed my dad would holler at him and tell him only devils and what-not would [play like that]. So when my dad would arrive home Jimi would turn the guitar over - that was how he learnt to play... Jimi would turn the guitar over and keep playing, then when dad left the room he'd turn it back over this way...."

"Jimi Hendrix almost always played a right-handed guitar with the strings re-strung left-handed, but changing the strings around on a guitar means the nut has to be reversed due to the string thickness. "

" On a guitar with a one-sided headstock, like a Fender Stratocaster, this means the low E string isnt really long enough to go the distance between the nut and the machine head, and can slip out when you are rocking really hard. Jimi sometimes cured this by wrapping the low E the wrong way around the machine head. Alternatively, the nut can be filed out to take the extra girth."

www.epinions.com...
"Hendrix coaxed absolutely remarkable sounds from his weapon of choice, a Fender Stratocaster that he strung backwards and played upside down. "

So maybe you don't understand, or maybe you just like to argue? I don't know, but the fact remains that Jimi's guitar was in fact, strung upside down. If you would post a picture with the neck of the guitar visable. Then you would see that the nuts for his strings, are on the bottom of the neck. Not the top like a typical guitar is strung, thus backwards. So maybe this is symantics on your part?

Lastly, Jazzerman, I asked you to not make this personal between us. To which you completely ignored my request.

"Obviously, you are not a musician. I point this out because Jimi simply played left handed, not right-handed stringed upside down for left hand."

"If the sources you use and yourself do not understand concepts behind music its not my fault."

While I do not like tooting my own horn so to speak, because of my belief in the death of ego. (I don't think I am the best musician ever, a music expert, or anything even close to it.) I will not sit back and let you take pot shots at me. You don't know me personally, just as I do not know you or Michael Fairchild personally. Until you do, please don't make statements about me. It's just not wise to speak about that, which you know nothing about.

I am a musician, and have been since I was eight years old. I play the trumpet, barritone, a little guitar, and piano. I also dabble in other instruments when needed in my personal recordings. I am a musician, singer, and songwritter. I record my own music, and I play all of the musical parts in all of my recordings. So I'm not just a musician, I am my own band. I taught myself how to play these instruments, and play them all by ear. As far as, if I am any good is concerned? I have been 1st or 2nd chair, in every band I have played in. I also passed auditions for the Third Armor Division Band, on trumpet and piano. Respect it or not, you are wrong about my not being a musician.

Are you tired of being wrong yet? ;-)
Tom Sawyer



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by MacKiller
This reminds me of MGJ's thread on TuPac..


btw, where is MGJ?


Banned banned banned, banned banned banned Banned.



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by SpittinCobra
Banned banned banned, banned banned banned Banned.


For what?



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by MacKiller

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
Banned banned banned, banned banned banned Banned.


For what?



For being a retard or cheating, not sure for the for sure reason, You pick.



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 03:10 PM
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I've got the retard part down..

Cheating?



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 03:12 PM
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He did use right handed guitar though, but it's just strung left handed for him...again nothing special.


Then it's strung upside down. Otherwise low E would be on the bottom.

Guitar techs I know always use that term. The way we tune it or the way we string it for them. Even though I know they have never strung a guitar for many of the people they mention.

www.jimihendrix.com...

Anyhow to keep on this topic. I believe as is mentioned that music is drawn from the cosmos. This can be recognized in many people as you are about to fall asleep you will hear music or lyrics that you have never heard before but to you they are wonderful. Trouble is many of us cannot write it down quick enough upon awakeing to make anything of it. I call it music from the angels.


[edit on 31-8-2004 by evecasino]





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