Califorina.... Who ruined it?

I was born in raised in California. Lived there 19 years, moved out to Texas during a couple months back. I was just thinking of my old home. Angry about it too, my grandparents and parents all urged me to leave they said "Theres nothing here".

I was never interested in local politics, but thinking back I should have been. I'm trying to piece together when it all went wrong for that state. I mean I loved it, its a was a great place to live. It had everything abundant resources, a rich culture, agriculture that rivals most countries, and had beautiful landscape. I said had because you go up to Yosemite now that place looks trashed in some places.

I lived in this little town called Oakhurst. When I left that place it was a mess, trashed and overrun with homeless and highschool dropouts. The local economy stagnated, I was luckily to leave when I did because the economy was always seasonal and my job prolly wouldn't have been there in the winter.

So I was thinking back about my old home, I was wondering if ATS could enlighten me on who had ruined such a glorious state?

reply to post by Mcupobob


People DO have a lot of misconceptions about California. Like everywhere you have to take the good with the bad and decide if you really want to live there and if it represents what you are about. Love the promo - love Betty White.

reply to post by Mcupobob


well you had gay marriage, a Mexican invasion, and a former actor as governor. I'm sure you can see that it was never going to recover. just saying. Peace.

reply to post by newcovenant


I hated those ads, they played them almost 24/7 when I was living there!

reply to post by OzTruth



I don't really see how gay people getting married ruined my state. I might be inclined to agree with on the other points though.

How does marriage equality affect the economy? You just spouted a bunch of bigoted nonsense and did nothing to back your statement with real information.

California is going through such hardship because most of the jobs are a revolving door now and no one wants to pay for artistic services when they can get decent production value if they have an iMac in their house.

Case in point, I was the promotions director for a chain of restaurants there for over 6 months. I am well-qualified and did good work for them, but they let go of our entire office because they felt the positions were "unneeded" in that line of work. Sure, they don't have to pay the salaries anymore, but they also took a hit in revenue, about 25%. Now they're hanging on for dear life because they wanted to save some money. They'll be out of business by the end of the year. My best friend was a GM there and just got laid off today because his price tag was getting to high.

I also did professional music video production there. You can see 2 I directed on MTV today. But we didn't get paid crap. Almost all the money went towards production, because people have such a crappy mindset out there now. If they can do it at home for half the cost and get a somewhat decent looking video, that's what they'll do..

Its a market filled with skilled artists, and in a recession, the first thing to get cut back is art.

My only experience was in LA, so that's just my 2 cents there.

I'd look at the state political leadership, the tax policies, the cost of living, state spending policies.

Personally, I wouldn't set one foot in California.

But that's just me.

A combination of massive illegal immigration, underground economy, combined with high population density. The natural result is a big-brother, control-freak superstate that never saw a tax or civil power it did not love. This same superstate never saw an individual liberty that it liked.

What's really bad is that Kalifornians have now fouled their nest and are now moving into the Rockies and other places. They will invariably support the same thing again. Someone once said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result.

Mind Blowing number of legal and Illegal immigrants who are "stealing back" what they falsely believe "was theres"[/



I worked and lived in cal from 1993-2009... The more people who invaded from south of the border, the worse EVERYTHING became. Whether it was my time in O.C., L.A., Bay Area (Marin Rocks), or my last 5 years in San Diego..

pretty much EVERYTHING was overran by people loyal to mexico..

schools, neighborhoods, jobs, hospitals, illegals with 10 dui's still on the roads, illegals with no insurance driving ( i was an insurance agent for about a year).......................................


And now Im a racist right?

Originally posted by OzTruth
reply to post by Mcupobob

 

well you had gay marriage, a Mexican invasion, and a former actor as governor. I'm sure you can see that it was never going to recover. just saying. Peace.

And they just re-elected Brown. A previous unmitgated failure.

"Doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting different results, is the definition of crazy."

reply to post by lokdog


Not at all!

I was born, raised, and have lived all my life in California.

What happened?

In a nutshell (no pun intended!) until WWII, California was, primarily an agricultural state. With the war came, what would become, the aerospace industry, which displaced much of the state's agribusiness and brought huge numbers of people from across the nation to the State.

The State coffers grew flush with government military contracts.

Then the Space Race ended and all those high-paying jobs went away, but the population had nowhere to go.

Then the micro-electronics boom started.

Huge money.

Even more huge numbers of people seeking their "New Gold Rush" fortunes.

There was cash aplenty, and people being people gladly spent (much in the form of new tax-based programs) foolishly.

Then the Silicon Valley went bust.

Then the Housing market collapsed.

Then the world economy collapsed.

The people, and all that is required to support them remained, but the money required to pay for that support has evaporated.


And THAT is what has "ruined" California.

reply to post by Bhadhidar


In an economy money CIRCULATES... carpenter gets paid, buys car, pays mechanic, pays doctor, pays store, store pays workers, workers pay carpenter and get house...

immigrants SUCK MONEY OUT OF A Circular economy.. and REMITTANCES CREATE a huge sucking sound..

Which is where the word CURRENCY comes from....

California could not afford its Liability for retirements to State Employee's, Teachers, Cops, Prison workers, etc..


Neither could any State but California's condition was worsened. Governor Davis wanted to tax everything to death to make the numbers work. When he didn't get any support they went to plan B and allowed a plethora of illegal immigrants into California.

They counted in the Census and gave California more House of Representative Seats, and they stole...err.....Liberated more Federal Appropriations to fix California's money problem.

Well all those illegals stole and pillaged all they could and fled California. Leaving their economic outlook even worse than before. Even the gays are fleeing San Francisco....for Texas.

The only way to fix California's economic problem is Manifest Destiny......get some other countries Gold.

Hence the plan about to unfold to fly out the "Pro-US" Iraqi's along with all their gold and money. Like we did with the Philippines and Ferdinand Marco's.

30 years ago CA was the richest state in america but then the corporations realized the cheap labor of illegals made them rich and so they bribed the politicians into turning CA into a sanctuary state and now it's a bankrupt third world cesspool.

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Come on folks, it's obvious who ruined California, it's the many many years of Liberal idealogies that ruined the state.
Illegal immigrants, gay rights on steroids, embracing the homeless without offering to help, enforcing the use of eco friendly toilets that won't flush, ...

They allowed everybody to do anything they wanted so as to not offend them and now they are paying the price for those politically correct decisions.

Now all the California Libs are coming to Texas?

Originally posted by Mcupobob
...I was wondering if ATS could enlighten me on who had ruined such a glorious state?

You come here seeking answers but your question is misguided. For one, "who had ruined" implies someone ruined California. That is a presumptive statement. It is also a negative presumption. You give little to no proof it is ruined. You also call it a "glorious state" in the same sentence. You seem frustrated because California is no longer the way you remember it. The world is changed and will continue to change.

I live here and I find it quite pleasant. I find people have an open mind here. It doesn't surprise me that your thread incited anti-immigration racism, as you say it is "ruined" and then asked "who" did it: leave that hate door wide open for bashing California. This thread is too non-specific with little basis for complaint. From what I gather from your post, you do not even live here any more, so how do you know what it is like?

Try and be more specific about the "what" instead of "who" when it comes to saying something is ruined. Finger pointing and blanket labeling the state ruined without an argument incites complaining, whining and other nasty things from trolls and racist bottom-feeders. You may as well have called your post, "California sucks, am I right?"

California is beautiful, temperate and I love it, even though times are hard throughout California, the United States and the world right now.

Complaining about one state in the scheme of our world is petty.

Labor Unions and socialists ruined it for you.

Thats why California's broke.

reply to post by danats


Well first off I only moved away about 2 months ago. I doubt its made drastic turn around form when I last left it. It is ruined, I do not remember the way it used to be, and no California doesn't "Suck" its just broke economical and you really could see it. The DMV on furlough half the time. streets overrun by homeless and the whole state looks trashy. I traveled across country a couple of time Most everywhere else was cleaner than that state.

As for the Anti-immigration rants in this thread, I never condoned them.