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Originally posted by topsecretombomb
and wiccans are different because they dont dwell on the ''craft.''
Originally posted by nimue
Yes, you are right. I admit i said that. That was not what i meant though. I was refering to those metal heads who go around and call themselves Wiccan and do nothing. Just talk. i didn't mean to give you a hard time. No fighting... I'm sorry if i insulted you, not what i meant. ok?
[edit on 7-9-2004 by nimue]
[edit on 7-9-2004 by nimue]
Originally posted by infinite
Isnt there black witch craft
Originally posted by TrueLies
To see adults on here shouting these practices down just because a bunch of you have been spoonfed nothing but lies and misconceptions... You think the ignorance would of stopped there, but no, you guys are still carrying the torch high and proud. Arrogance is deadly ignorant
A lesson in objectivism really wouldn't hurt...
Originally posted by LadyV
There is NO bad magic....only the energy......it's like electricity....it can cook your food, light up your home, or used in an electric chair to kill someone...energy (which is all magic is) just "is" . It is it what one does with it....all "magic" is, is energy, being manipulated, which science is now learning....as to insults....yes, I was insulted to be told spirits are controlling me! as to marriage....if they weren't "happy" marriages with healthy, good relations, I wouldn't of brought them up I feel my family is very blessed in that way as most marriages I see around are very sad.....Do we have a lot of money....no, will I, do I, cast for money, no...it would be improper for me to do so. I have what I need, pay the bills, a little put back, I live comfortable enough for me...though I am in no way a materialistic person but I have my car, he has his truck, we have our own computers....blaa, blaa, blaa...I love my work and I am doing what I want to be doing in the field of animals. I'm happy, we have the typical problems of life. Too many people see Goths and/or the wanna bees and "think" they are seeing true Wiccans or Witches...they aren't...chances are you have seen many, but you didn't know it because we look, dress, are, like everyone else other than our belief structure. No....we don't "dwell" on the craft.
[edit on 9/8/2004 by LadyV]
Originally posted by bet555
What is the point of a question ??? Then use your knowledge to ask good questions; such as; has anyone here ever casted a spel on anyone that worked and if so are you a Wiccan or a Witch?
Originally posted by LadyV
Taken from my website:
There seems to be a lot of confusion going on about the differences between Witchcraft and Wicca.......and with good reason. Some "Wiccans" call themselves "Witches", while most "Witches" will not call themselves "Wiccans". To further confuse, there are some wiccans that do not want to be associated in any way with witchcraft, Witches that think Wiccan is a farce, and all the while, most people don't have a clue that Witchcraft and Wicca are different!
I wish I could post them here, but I have them in columns on my site and so in being that I am tired and lazy...you can view the differences here at my site explaining the differences between the two..
I call myself Wiccan, as I adhere to the tenets of the religion. I am also a Witch....as my mother was, her mother before her, and her mother before her...........though mosd call it more of a Witch/Shaman type of practice
Part of my site you need to read the differences:
[edit on 8/30/2004 by LadyV]
Originally posted by LadyV
Originally posted by Netchicken
For the same reasons that the druids who turn up at Stonehenge claiming "ownership" or heritage to the site despite being totally non historical entities.
They do it for the ego kicks
Besides if they just said they were wannabe role players, who would take them seriously?
Your response to this question doesn't ring in the spirit of denying ignorance...but presents itself just opposite. It is also quite apparent by your response, that you have no idea what you are talking about! While I will admit that there are a lot of "wanna bees" around, Wiccans and witches are as serious as any other faith, and/or belief system. Most Americans form their view of Wicca from such nonsense dribble as TV's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" or "Charmed," with their witches and curses, good and evil garblety goop. Wiccan worship focuses on respect for the Earth and its inhabitants with the main tenet of the faith being, "An it harms none....do as thou will" This includes not harming the self. This may be a subject, in the spirit of denying ignorance, sense you are a Moderator on site which uses that term as a sort of logo.....you may want to study and enlighten yourself on.
Originally posted by WolfofWar
LadyV, I think he was being sarcastic. But from the people I've seen that are "wiccans" in my highschool, theyre just screaming for attention by trying to be different and rebeling against the system so people will pay attention to them. Its called Avril Lavine Syndrom, most, if not all, the "witches" I know are just starving for attention by setting out to be different.
So far, of all the wiccans I know (about 15 of them) what netchicken says it true about them, and I'm sure most of the populous of the wiccans are just attention starved people (probably mostly girls) that wear all black, talk about vampires, and starve for constant attention upon them.
Originally posted by LadyV
I am beginning to be applaud by this thread as it shows once again how little the public actually understands.. Jakko
, I find your your remark, "or even worse; a witch"? To be insulting. I would suggest sense you are ignorant on this subject, that you do some personal study.....I'm wondering now, why you U2Ued me telling me "my wisdom" was needed on this thread last night....to insult me? I am no "wacko" I am highly respected within my field employment, I am the manager of the Pet Salon I work at, I was a nurse for several years....many of those of my faith work with animals or in the medical field. Those of us that are true...are like everyone else....we don't run around showing off and spouting off at the mouth....I would suggest that most of those YOU are describing are "Goth girls". not witches and they are saying they are witches to fit into some type of "fad" like the commercial on lap tops with the Goth girl and the girl in pink at dorm...LOL ask them for some history and what is the true meaning of the pentagram....and watch them start stuttering...
Agian, I will copy something off of my site:
I had to add this page to my site because I keep coming across people who tell me they want to be a witch because they want to be able "cast spells" or make someone "love" them or they want to be "special" or "impress" someone. This type of talk upsets me, really bothers my husband (also a witch), and annoys other witches as well!
So what is it "to be a witch"? Well, for starters, it is a way of life, a state of being. It is who and what you are. It is not about making someone love you, running around saying, "I'm A Witch", or trying to prove to people that your something "special". Being a witch is something within you. You breath it, dream it, you live it! To be a witch means in part, that you have taken responsibility for your own life and many of the things that surround that life.
To be a witch, is to be a part of all that surrounds you, of the creatures that you share your world with. It is to be one with all things of nature; the trees, the sky, the earth, the oceans. To feel with them and to understand that you are connected with all things, "as above, so below" all things are tied together within our world. What you do to "it/them" you also do to "yourself/us". To understand and live this...is to be a witch.
To be a witch, is to have respect for all of nature. It is to hear her cry in the storms or her laughter on a warm breeze. It is to understand and feel the unseen world around you. The world that is always there, hidden to those that choose not to see it.
To be a witch is also to understand that we can change the energies around us through the use of our own energies to bring about the desired end result. It is to understand the power of prayer...YES we pray, probably more than most religions. Who do we pry to? Well, that depends on the witch. I personally pray to the "The Lord and Lady" , the mother earth and our father who is in the heavens, for there is both male and female.
In being a Witch, we acknowledge there or other beings, we do not worship any entity as superior, and though we may recognize the existence of other entities , we believe in the equality of all beings in the Universe, seeing them as different, separate, but never superior or inferior. We may call the Goddess and the God as representatives of the creative force of the Universe, but will usually call on other spirits as well, each being seen as a separate and equal entity. We believe there is a Spirit World or Other World where these other entities reside. Most do not see this as actually separate from this world, but rather a part of it that is usually unseen. Thus, the spirits who are contacted during ritual are already there but may be conjured or evoked to facilitate communication.
WHAT IT DOES NOT MEAN
TO BE A WITCH
Being a witch does not mean that we are special, on the contrary, we are like everyone else, We get married, have children, wreck the car, have disagreements, get depressed, get fired, have insecurities, argue with the neighbors, love our families, and adore our pets. In other words we have all the same ups and downs that anyone else does. The difference is, we understand the laws of the universe that throw these happenings upon us, we understand the laws of cause and effect.
We do not sacrifice anything, human or animal. We do not worship a devil or Satan. We do however, understand that the universe is and has to be both negative and positive, male and female in order for it to flow at an even keel!
We do not get angry and cast spells or hexes on others due to the fact the we practice responsibility, and ethics, and while the "Rule of Three" is a "Wiccan" rule, most Witches do believe in the old adage, "What goes Around, Comes Around".
Being a witch is not like The Craft, The Witches Of Eastwick, or Sabrina. It is nothing like Hollywood portrays it to be. Our Pentagram/pentacle IS NOT used upside down (inverted), but only right side up The inverted pentagram is used to represent Christianities Satan. WE DO NOT USE AN INVERTED PENTAGRAM.
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
The reason you have a lot of young flaky teens doing it are usually for the wrong reason and are a result of the lies and disinformation by other religions and Hollywood. Because of this false image, the lunatic fringe become attracted to it. It is hard to find someone that got into it for the right reasons, because of this. I sure would like for this trend to go away!
Originally posted by Legalizer
The majority of teens don't have mentors to guide them, they have to choose for themselves what they will believe and how strongly they believe in it. Its wrong to be judge-mental and call them poseurs, flakes, wacko's and wanna-bees. The true term is neophyte and initiate, their stage along the path of enlightenment has just begun, as all who ever sought to move beyond beast began before them.