So apparently a number of signatures to get Obama on the ballot were found to be fraudulent. So many in fact that it could possibly drop him below the required numbers to actually have his name on the ballot. A Federal investigation was requested, however it was declined since apparently it did not fall within with the Feds jurisdiction, which doesnt make that much sense to me.

In light of that the PA in conjunction with the State Police are going to do the investigation, which is fully supported by the Indiana Govenor - A Democrat. In all fairness McCains ballots are also being double checked to see if the fraud is limited to just one party or both.

Even if it turns out Obama doesnt have enough signatures to legally be on the ballot, I cant see it affecting anything, which means we wait till 2012, if this allegation is confirmed as true, and vote against him / Democratic National Committee for Indiana. I am curious if any groups were in on this, like Acorn. I know they had been taken to task after the election in a few states for voter / election fraud.

Great find here OP.

I've debated the subject of election frauds countless time with other members in the past...Who have sworn the election system was as clean as a whistle.

This just further demonstrates to me that the polling system is not fool-proof, like how a lot of people think it is.

S&F.

Excellent thread and very important story.

For a long time now I have believed the polling system to be completely defrauded. Never mind the obvious like MSM giving more or less airtime to certain candidates and what not, I simply believe our votes don't really count; at least on a Federal level.

I do subscribe, in part, to the 2012 prediction. I don't believe it will be the end of the world or anything as such, but the dawning of a new age. The Mayans never predicted global destruction; it was always more along the lines of social upheaval and the dawning of a new age. What happens to spark it, or the results of such a thing are something to debate.

Of course the FEC refuses to investigate this. It's only natural they were paid off, too, in order to keep the sham hidden. Go figure...

In any case, I have starred and flagged this. I hope this gains some ATS attention, and moreover I hope it truly gets the attention it deserves from the authorities. Let's hope something comes of this whether positive or negative and issues get resolved. Regardless, though, Obama will be in office until someone new is elected. It's unlikely the investigation would be finished before the end of his term, never mind the impeachment process.

If this is true, then I hear the
words "impeachment"!

If he didn't have enough signatures to even be on the ballot, then imo his presidency if fraudulent. Well, it already was fraudulent, but I won't go there right now, so why would he remain in the White House? I'll answer my own question...because this country has been corrupted, obviously.

If this weren't the case, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now would we? I don't like to lay blame before all the facts are in and one is proven guilty, but in this case it is inevitable...Unless of course it can be covered up. If this guy ends up disappearing, OR ends up with a 10 million dollar mansion, and everything goes away, we will have our answer. Well, too many people know about it now, and I am not sure who is actively pursuing this, but you get my point.

Originally posted by eyes0wide0open
If this is true, then I hear the
words "impeachment"!

This brings up a stickier issue. Congress are the ones who are required to certify the election. The question is how high does this mess go? Did any members of senior democrat leadership know what was going on?

If so, its going to be hard to file article of impeachment when the investigating body is just as culpable.

However, we are jumping the gun a bit going down this road. We need to make sure his claims are valid and investigated thoroughly.

We really need to wake people up and get involved in polotics.

great some reich wing creationist tool makes this claim to faux news and people here believe it... go fig

Originally posted by scorand
great some reich wing creationist tool makes this claim to faux news and people here believe it... go fig

Yeah man!! God forbid we should investigate those types of allegations. If we did we would face the possibility of possibly getting a person elected that we actually want.

/end sarcasm

The fact this kid found fraud is not a surprise. Good on him.

I suppose the real secret is to pursue the research, get it published, get great media coverage, and live past 25.

A lotta hoops...

Originally posted by ABNARTY
The fact this kid found fraud is not a surprise. Good on him.

I suppose the real secret is to pursue the research, get it published, get great media coverage, and live past 25.

A lotta hoops...

So far I think this guy knows how to get through those hoops...

Locating the problem - check
narrowing it down to specifics - check
getting the governments attention - check
getting it investigated - check

All thats left is to keep tabs on the story to see what develops from it. The fact the FEC declined to investigate, with the Govenor then asking the State Police to investigate are positive signs. The DNC chair for the area resigned (not to imply he is guilty, but he did resign).

As many as 150 of the names and signatures, it is alleged, were faked

150? You guys are freaking out about 150 alleged fraudulent votes, while republicans disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters in 2000 and 2004 (and probably 2008 as well)???

Oh, and didn't Obama get over 60% of the votes in the election? It's kind of hard to claim that he didn't get votes when the majority of Americans voted for him.

Originally posted by CB328

As many as 150 of the names and signatures, it is alleged, were faked

150? You guys are freaking out about 150 alleged fraudulent votes, while republicans disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters in 2000 and 2004 (and probably 2008 as well)???

Oh, and didn't Obama get over 60% of the votes in the election? It's kind of hard to claim that he didn't get votes when the majority of Americans voted for him.

Uhm, I think you misread the article. We arent talking about 150 votes. What the artcle is about is the number of signatures that are required in order to get a name on the ballot in Indiana to run for president. If requires a certain amount of verified signatures. What this college student discovered was fraud with reagrds to the signatures submitted to get Obamas name on the ballot.

The situation it creates is problematic if there arent enough signatures. That would mean Obamas name should have never been placed on the ballot, which could have been significant enough where he may have lost the election.

The DNC chair for Indianan denied the allegations and shortly afterwards resigned from his position. The FEC was notified, who declined to investigate, refering the matter back to the State to investigate, which they are doing.( in addition the checking the signatures of the Mccain campaign).

With that being said you should try to get over the stupid tit for tat blame game. Fraudulent signatures in Indiana has nothing to do with Bush and attempting to draw a parallel is a joke based on political loyalties and nothing else.

At some point our Gvoernment, as well as people with your mindset, need to get with the picture that the past is the past and nothing is ever going to change it. Blaming Bush / Republicans is a lame excuse, especially since they have been out of power for almsot 4 years now. Guess what - Bush is not President anymore, which means Obama has had the last 4 years to fix things.

The blame game doesnt work anymore unless you are arguing that while Bush messed things up, Obama has made it worse.

Whether its 150 signatures or 1.5 million signatures, it needs to be investigated and resolved. The goal is to seek the truth, egardless of whther or not you like what that truth may be.,