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If "OWS" was named "TEAPARTY"

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posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 06:03 AM
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Would they be called "hippies" and be told by republicans they're idiots, their wrong, misdirecting anger, etc? is this NOT what the teaparty did a few years ago when they were fed up? I think alot of Americans feel the same as both groups, Wall street sold away our future, the government has become to big and powerful. People are sick and tired of being ignored and I for one am proud our country is waking up, no matter your political views, but these clowns in power will try to suppress and arrest us, but let me say this.......There are alot more of US, Citizens, than there are of them.....Politicians, bankers, and whatnot.

keep up the fight, to both sides, and show them you won't take it anymore!



posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 07:05 AM
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Does everyone forget about all of the venom, name calling and accusations that were launched at the Tea Party rallies? Dig through the threads on ATS. It was a who's who of name calling and insults around here and all over the MSM outlets. Now, the tables are turned just a little. However, the MSM is embracing the OWS with open arms and selectively reporting what they want you to hear. No mention of the recent crime sprees, rapes and anti-Semitic rants oozing from within the Occupy campgrounds on the evening news.

The Tea Party rallies were peaceful gatherings where people even brought their children. Contrast that with what I'm seeing at these OWS festivals of debauchery and laze.

Just my opinion. There may have been a remote comparison at the beginning of the OWS movement but that has degraded rapidly with the passing of each day. Here in Cleveland, one girl is now saying she was raped by a man she was told she had to share a tent with in order to save space. A flippin stranger she had to share a tent with. I don't recall hearing anything like that coming from a Tea Party Rally.



posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 07:06 AM
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The Tea Party protested against the government, you know, those responsible.

Occupy Wall Street protests against private business owners for taking advantage of lax government regulations.

The Tea Party held rallies en masse, made a point, cleaned up after themselves and left.

Occupy Wall Street is making a mess of thousands of cities and taking no responsibility for it.

The Tea Party supported private citizens regardless of their actions.

Occupy Wall Street heckles passerbys on their way to work or to exercise their right to buy something.



Remember, the Tea Party was nothing but racist bigots in their time as well.


Both had their hippies so I'm not about to make that claim. However, the Tea Party knew what it was talking about and doing, while OWS is nothing more than anger misdirected.

Keep in note, I'm talking about the original Tea Party, not the Republican co-opted one.
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posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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reply to post by CoolStoryMan
 


Small and limited Government is what has allowed the private interest to step all over people. Circumvent our laws and regulations. We are for fairness and equality.

reply to post by gwydionblack
 


Private control of The Federal Reserve is a major problem that will be ended shortly. When private companies control key elements of our infrastructure we must time and time again answer to them before the American public have an answer, delete this and we answer to ourselves.

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Racism in OWS? Are you kidding me? This group represents a true cross section of America as the TP only had white well to do republicans. They get in and our nation can't do a damn thing because they think they have some inherit right to anything and everything.
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posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by gwydionblack

The Tea Party supported private citizens regardless of their actions.

Occupy Wall Street heckles passerbys on their way to work or to exercise their right to buy something.





posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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To add Indigo,

Anyone caught attacking a disabled member of society at a OWS event those people would be asked to leave and escorted out while the person who was attacked would be given full rights to speak about what they are experiencing so that it can serve to enlighten everyone attending to the daily struggle of someone who is disabled. Instead of standing up for dude the crowd was cheering his misfortune and used that as a chance to demonize and attack dude.

When this was going down there was not one peep from any TP member as they all endorsed attacking those who are disabled. To remain silent while an atrocity is being conducted makes those who did nothing culpable and responsible for not doing a thing. See where complacency got them?
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posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by CoolStoryMan
Would they be called "hippies" and be told by republicans they're idiots, their wrong, misdirecting anger, etc? ...

Wanna know what it would be like? Let me give it a shot....

"Clamp it ya filthy racist wallbagger! I've seen how everybody there is white and well-off...hmmmm, racist!"

There you go. Of course it has nothing to do with reality. Welcome to the club.



posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


When I look at the Tea Party Movement AND the OWS Movement, I see two groups of people who share common views: one in particular -- dissatification with the government and the financial system.

BOTH groups represent the people and are not exclusionary -- or at least shouldn't be. They are trying to express themselves and their opinons which is a Constitutional Right.

What I personally find troubling is the broad brush that people are willing to paint one group or the other over the actions over a few.

For example, a few Tea Party Members express racist views, ergo all Tea Party members are racist?. A few Tea Party members were harsh and, frankly cruel towards a disable man with Parkinsons, ergo all Tea Party members are inclined towards discriminating against the disabled.

Using this logic, can I say that "all OWS protesters are rapists and thieves"! After all there have been numerous reports of thefts of cash, laptops, phones and cameras from OWS campsites. And, of course, we have all heard about the rape allegations.

Generalizations are the fuel of bigotry and racism. Discussions which make such generalizations tread on the brink of that slippery slope. extra DIV



posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Regardless of attitudes, the OWS movement is finding it's voice and will be a political influence that will rival the TPM if not sweep it under the political bus. No wonder the conservatives are scared to see a diverse group of races and economic status come together and call out those responsible for the corruption and greed that has put America in the place it's in today. The light of truth has been lit.

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The times they are a changein.....


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posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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That guy was in direct defiance to the message of the Tea Party. He knew what he was doing creating a sign and staging a sit in in front of a group of protestors. He was asking for it.

Are the people being attacked and heckled in New York for buying products calling for it? Are the people in locations around the world being heckled as they go to work calling for it? No and No.

Apples and oranges my friend. Parkinson's or not, the guy at the Tea Party rally was what we on the internet call a "troll".


reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 


Are the disabled deserving of more respect than everyone else now? I've seen a few videos and spoken with a few eye witness accounts of people who were verbally harassed and abused by OWS simply for buying a coffee on their morning commute. I've seen people TRY to speak why the crowds kept getting louder and louder to drown out whatever it is that they were trying to say.

Seriously - this fair and equal BS has got to stop. You are only fooling yourselves because when it comes to this movement, there is no equality about it.


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YOU? Support the OWS? No way... I wouldn't have seen it coming.

But what is this about Conservatives? I though OWS was a non-partisan movement. I thought every view was welcome there. Certainly it isn't a far left movement with roots in socialism and Marxism. That is CRAZY!

Nah. You must be wrong whaaa. There is no reason for Conservatives to feel threatened by OWS because there is no political leaning there. It is all about the country right?

Right.



posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



reply to post by whaaa
 


Attitudes are important. Brand the Tea Party as Bigots and Racists and it's just as easy to brand the OWS as Thieves and Rapists. So the essence of my post, simply put, was "steer away from generalizations". They make a differencee and they do influence opinion.

As far as the OWS being a political influence.... I agree. I only wish that their "platform" becomes more solidified which I am sure it will as time goes on. Furthermore, I am certain that leaders of the OWS will emerge. Then it will become more interesting. At that point it will become easier to discern whether this is, indeed, a true "grass roots" movement as it is claimed or some sort of socialist/marxist inspired effort to undermine the West.

While there are certainly those who might believe that there is absolutely nothing wrong with Socialist/Marxist theory and, in fact, might find this quite desirable. However, it is this Socialist/Marxist -- let's call it Communism for the hellof it -- ideology to which I might object.

I can find no historical example where this ideology has not resulted in anything but misery, discrimination, enslavement of the masses and a redistribution of wealth that has only resulted in greater poverty -- exactly those issues which this flawed philosophy had promised to rehabilitate.

At this point, I am not calling the OWS as being socialist/marxist. At present, I am accepting that this OWS is a public outcry of anger and a demand for change -- necessary change. I will reserve my opinion when the movement defines itself.


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posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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reply to post by jibeho


Racism in OWS? Are you kidding me? This group represents a true cross section of America as the TP only had white well to do republicans. They get in and our nation can't do a damn thing because they think they have some inherit right to anything and everything.


Looks like the OWS movement realized that they had a diversity problem afterall and are trying to correct it.

Jason Woody immediately recognized a shared struggle with many of the Occupy Wall Street demonstrators: The 2007 college graduate has been out of work for two years, and it's been longer since he's seen a doctor. He also noticed something else -- the lack of brown faces on the front lines of the Occupy movement.

The outcry against the nation's financial institutions that has swept the country in recent weeks has crossed many boundaries, including class, gender and age. But a stubborn hurdle in many cities has been a lack of racial inclusion, something noted by organizers and participants alike.

"We, the 99 percent, have to be reaching out to the cross section of the communities that we live in," said Tim Franzen, one of the organizers of the Occupy Atlanta movement. "If you come down to the park and spend a day I think you might have a hard time saying this is an all-white movement. We are reaching out, but we've got some bridges to build."

The absence of diversity is particularly notable given that some of the larger issues surrounding the Occupy movement -- including the economy, foreclosures and unemployment -- are disproportionately affecting people of color.


www.businessweek.com...
Time for OWS to put their political correctness hats on. Quickly!

The Tea Party is working on the issue of diversity as well. Everyone needs to wake up.




posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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If OWS was named the Tea Party all my detractors would be there sitting and clapping instead of throwing every name in the book and the mainstream media would be all over the other news that's not getting reported and they would be put under a microscope and nit picked and marginalzed.

But OWS isn't named the Tea Party it is a entirely different animal that is the mainstream media's love child because they don't talk about the current adminstrations failures and blame something else.



posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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I wrote something about this about 2 weeks ago (maybe less.)

thread here.



posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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Make one point crystal clear, the TP were against the banks yes, but now has the former Chair of The KC Federal Reserve as their new golden boy which tells me that firmly and unequivocally that they are now owned and controlled by The Federal Reserve as that makes them the puppets of the same entity that they swore against which btw, is the true meaning of hypocrisy.
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posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by neo96


But OWS isn't named the Tea Party it is a entirely different animal that is the mainstream media's love child because they don't talk about the current adminstrations failures and blame something else.


The MSM didn't even acknowledge that it existed until this thing started growing. Then they down played it, ridiculed it. Criticized it and laughed at it....

Then it grew a little more and realized that no one is buying their crap.... Now, they are forced to give it a fair look and even now they barely talk about it on the news...

What the hell are you talking about? The OWS is the MSM's love child? Please... If anything the media is trying to turn the OWS movement into it's illegitimate bastard child. The media does not want this thing to exist and this is why they barely acknowledge it's existence and when they do, they down play it to a ridiculous degree.

Besides, the party is a political party. OWS is not....

You can't really compare the two any way. Sure, both have faced their fair share of insults and dirt thrown at them... But OWS was quick to make it known they are not a political party, are not affiliated with one and never will be.

This is where TP and OWS differ in a huge degree.

Neo, you are a very conservative person, but you really need to take your political blinders off before taking a look at this movement.... I would say that to anyone wearing liberal blinders or conservative blinders...

This is not a political movement. It is a movement of people... People from all different political affiliations, genders, races, religions.... This is not a liberal movement. It is not a conservative movement... and this is proven by the fact that people from entirely different governments, where democrats and republicans are not even part of the picture, are joining in the movement.

This is a world wide movement of people. Wanting to fix what has been broken. So we are all coming together to fix it. You know things are broken. take off your political blinders and see that it was not broken by liberals. it was not broken by conservatives. it was broken by greedy PEOPLE....

I have said before. Left vs Right is a distraction and it is working on you. Take off your political blinders and join the people! See that it is not about politics. It is about right and wrong. Not right and left!

Look around. realize that the so called 1% is made up of liberals and conservatives. realize that no one is going after just one group... The world and it's financial system is broken... It's time to fix it.

Start by shedding your political blinders like I have and others are finally starting to.

This is not about politics. This is not about Left vs Right.

it's about a failing global economy. It's about fixing the problems because the governments of the world are not doing a damn thing about it. It's about standing up when your government wont. It is about being heard when those in power refuse to listen. It is about you. It is about me. It is about doing right and it is about fixing the world before the governments of the world break us all.

Take off your damn political blinders and see what this is all about people!

We all have an opinion and our opinions are being ignored! Stand up and be heard! Make sure they listen. No more being distracted by Left vs Right! No more!

It is bogus! It is so damn bogus!

The fact that no two repubs share the same beliefs and no two dems share the same belief should be your clue. There is no actual left or right. Everyone has their own damn opinions and they are trying to pit us against each other.... It's a damn distraction to the real problems.

The world is waking up to this....and for the first time in my life, I am starting to feel a bit of pride in the people of this world.... Just barely... but damnit.... We can fix it! We can. We just have to stop getting distracted and work together!

United we stand; Divided we fall... They want us divided for a reason!!!!

See that! See the truth. If you want the this country to improve. If you want this world to improve. Stop dividing yourself! Come together! Come together as one! Unite! Fight the power.

Power to the people! That is what it is all about.

Power to the people!

By the people for the people. Not by the lobbyists for the corporations!

Come together. Unite. No more BS promises of change from the government. It is clear that if we want the world to change, we have to change it ourselves.

Yes, they will try to stop us. They will try to divide and conquer... Well, we cannot let that happen! It is time. Stand up for what is right!

I can't say this enough. It is not about Right vs Left. It is about right vs wrong.... What the governments of the world are doing to it's people are just plain wrong.

" I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!" Sound familiar?

It is the voice of the people! United we stand; Divided we fall. Power to the people!

Take off your political blinders everyone.... Well, I think I have said about everything I possibly can for this thread... So I am out of here.

Peace and love.
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posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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Wow! Star for you for being grounded in reality. This is what this movement is all about. Uniting us under the banner of "The 99%" as we are all The 99%!



posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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Spoken like a true political party with no individual identity.



posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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Individualism is what is part in part what got us into this mess. Too many were doing for themselves instead of what's best for the nation as a whole as it becomes all about "Me" instead of "Us"! This is a fundamental problem.

Yet another lame arsed excuse to attack the group. Does every movement have to attach itself to a political ideaology in order for it to be taken seriously?

You are in the minority here with no way out. You are the 99% yet you trash fellow Americans for exercising their Constitutional rights to protest, how could I forget? Since we want nothing to do with either party this movement is somehow wrong.
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posted on Oct, 19 2011 @ 10:46 PM
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The Tea Party rallies were peaceful gatherings where people even brought their children. Contrast that with what I'm seeing at these OWS festivals of debauchery and laze.


umm The OWS protests have been peaceful, and there were tons of kids at my local protest...oh and about the girl being raped, that's a bunch of bull, she wasn't forced to share a tent with a stranger...



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