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Democrats aren't just non-religious but anti-religious, see report.

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posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 03:11 PM
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Democrats Rely on Non-Religious Voters

story.news.yahoo.com.../ap/20040826/ap_on_el_ge/secular_democrats&e=5

"**Seculars have become an increasing portion of the Democratic electoral coalition and especially of the party's activist base," says Geoffrey Layman of the University of Maryland, who dates the trend from 1972 and considered it obvious by 1992.

A religiously linked values clash is redefining U.S. politics, Louis Bolce and Gerald De Maio of City University of New York say. If Republicans are labeled the party of religious traditionalists, they assert, "the Democrats with equal validity can be called the secularist party."


A spring University of Akron poll of 4,000 adults showed Americans without religious affiliation are 17 percent of self-identified Democrats, rivaling the party's traditional blocs of white Catholics (18 percent) and black Protestants (16 percent). Secularists favored John Kerry (news - web sites) over George W. Bush by 57.4 percent to 27.2 percent, with the rest backing others or undecided. The poll's margin of error was plus or minus 2 percentage points.


And a Pew Research Center poll of 1,512 adults, reported Tuesday, showed more Americans see the Republican Party as "generally friendly to religion" (52 percent) than the Democratic (40 percent).


Political scientists say polls correlating religious behavior or belief with party alignment indicate the "God gap" is more significant than most factors, including the gender gap.


Similarly, scholars' surveys of delegates to the parties' 2000 conventions found contrasts on weekly worship attendance (59 percent for Republican delegates, 35 percent for Democrats) and conservative beliefs about the Bible (54 percent for Republicans, 26 percent for Democrats).


Bolce says some voters aren't just non-religious but anti-religious. Surveys have shown hostility toward evangelicals and fundamentalists among a segment of Democrats, including more than half of 1992 convention delegates. Unlike anti-Catholic bias through the 1920s, "it's more a prejudice of the educated classes," he says.


Firebase asks: So I got a question for you, how many of you Kerry loving Democrats think this report is on the money? From what I have seen going on inside the Demo-crated Party I would agree with Geoffrey Layman of the University of Maryland, and that my brothers and sisters is the reason I'll never vote Democrat again. Wave bye Democrats as you take the express elevator to hell. Now that is funny.

hooah


** Nice word for people who do not believe in God.




posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 03:20 PM
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How on earth do you take these figures to mean the Democratic party is "anti-religious"? You must be a very holy man.

-koji K.



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 03:22 PM
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Moved to the mudpit since this seems to be fixing to get heated.

I'd like to remind everyone to keep things polite and genteel.



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 03:24 PM
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Firebase,

Im a Republican and and Athiest. How does that fit in your vision?

Did your head pop?



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 03:33 PM
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Ok, taking your theory/way of thinking.

"A jew that sacrifices babies to Jehovah's mother voted republican, so all republicans must be jews that sacrifice babies to jehovah's mother."

Doesn't work that way.



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 04:32 PM
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Firebase: I will pray for you



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 04:32 PM
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And this is bad? For all we know, every religion is a lie meant to brainwash people into acting a certain way. Believe your religions lies without a shred of proof but some story booked passed throughout the ages, ROFL!! Can't people just be agnostic and be happy, or do people lust for being sheep in a flock?

So which group would you want to be in?

-Attero



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 04:45 PM
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THis report proves in no way that the Democratic party is anti-religious, it simply proves that they say "trust in God" less often then George Bush and his fellow Republicans.

GOing on this report alone, the Democrats seem to fit more into an agnostic party, or a party that religion just isn't spoken of within. That doesn't mean they are "anti-religious" and it doesn't mean anyone has to get into hoopla because only 35% of the democrats went to regular weekly services.

I can see the new Republican advertisements now, "The Deomcratic part doesn't support religion! When election time rolls around this Novemeber, just remember, what would Jesus do?"



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 04:48 PM
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Well how did democrats went from liberals anti americans to devil gorshipers, how hilarious and inmature.



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 06:17 PM
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I am a democrat and somewhat religious, heres the thing, the republican party for the most part is primarily for reducing taxes but what usually happens is what has happened with Bush is yes he cut taxes but the rich got the biggest tax break and the middle class who has always paid the bulk of the taxes got the smallest tax break. Thats the problem with the republicans they say they cut taxes but they ususally cut for the rich more than the middle class and poor, they also almost always cut programs that helps these two groups. George Bush himself mocked Kerry's plan to tax the rich saying that the rich always manage to find a way not to pay taxes or something like that I will look for a link to this if you want it. Also the republicans have to snag those votes somehow so they do it by bringing religious issues into the forefront like same sex marriage and abortion issues and so you vote more on your religious beliefs than economic issues, the truth is those things will and only can be addressed in the courts, there are already laws on these issues so they must be slugged out in the courts. But the republican party for the most part sucker in votes by slinging mud on these issues and trying to wear their religion on their sleeves and then turn around and vote to take free lunch away from poor children, how christian is that? I am not trying to influence your vote in any way just giving you my opinion. Personally I would question anyone who tries to snag my vote by using religion, if they are doing the right thing as far as religion goes they won't need to speak about their religion, they will express it in their votes for programs for feeding the hungry, they will address it by their votes on programs for providing medical care for the poor.



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 07:25 PM
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**SOME**

being at least one -- used to indicate that a logical proposition is asserted only of a subclass or certain members of the class denoted by the term which it modifies.


Originally posted by Firebase

Bolce says some voters aren't just non-religious but anti-religious. Surveys have shown hostility toward evangelicals and fundamentalists among a segment of Democrats, including more than half of 1992 convention delegates. Unlike anti-Catholic bias through the 1920s, "it's more a prejudice of the educated classes," he says.


I'm a religious Republican and I find your comments offensive. "Some" means they found somebody that was anti-religious versus just non-religious. You have committed the grave act of being fed little and regurgitating more than was your lot - this is evidence of you feeding on more than has been revealed.

**SECULAR**

1 a : of or relating to the worldly or temporal b : not overtly or specifically religious c : not ecclesiastical or clerical
2 : not bound by monastic vows or rules; specifically : of, relating to, or forming clergy not belonging to a religious order or congregation


Originally posted by Firebase

** Nice word for people who do not believe in God.


Secular is just what we should strive for in American governance. "Separation of church and state" was aimed EXACTLY at secularism...not at what we have now, but secularism. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the word secularism. Stop trying to make it so.

Stop stereotyping. Stop twisting words to suit your agenda. Stop proving how right secularism is. For the sake of us who are not so secular.



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 07:32 PM
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Valhall, calm down woman, I nearly got burnt by that.


But as said, "some" means they found at least one. I bet at least one anti-religon guy votes republican. I bet at least one black gay jewish nazi with one leg votes republican, it doesn't mean all republicans are black gay jewish nazis with one leg.



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 07:41 PM
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Id like to thik I don't respect religion, any religion that believes in fairy tales to answer questions that we can't answer. But i am not by any means anti-religion. thatd be like if i was anti-cultural. I mean, let's face it. Religions are also cultures.

[edit on 8/30/2004 by s13guy]



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 08:12 PM
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Is a phony religion really a religion at all?
If youve sold/traded-away your soul for a ticket to some unseen, but extensively advertised paradise [pick your own brand] haven't you missed the only reason for being alive? Most so called religions strike me as being cruel jokes.

I worship life. For however long i exist i will always worship life. While i live i love it. [not wanting to make it sound more perfect than it actually is]. We are living conciousnesses, without life we simply don't exist.
.



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 01:28 AM
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Gotta love the logic some people on hear use... so by me saying that i am a socialist, ex-islamic, currently agnostic... means all socialists are ex-islamic and currently agnostic... amazing how things work on false logic.



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 10:46 AM
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If we could outlaw religion this country would be great! Imagine the government coming out oneday and diclosing the truth to everyone. We could all agree finally and be happy! No more mind control or propaganda just the TRUTH!

Oh yeh I'm Democratic and most definitly anti-religious.

[edit on 31-8-2004 by IXRAZORXI321]



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