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Originally posted by Murcielago
good post CHUCK, but I have a few questions about it.
Oil? Why would we need oil on the moon? in 15 years when we go there hydrogen fuel cells will be getter more and more popular = because no pollution and they create another plus, WATER.
Considering the return on the investment would be trillions of dollars in metals that we do not have to deep mine for on earth, a ready supply of solar energy to power processing and manufacturing, the development of new technologies, take your pick it is a win/win situation. Yes the initial investment is one way, but it's the Return On Investment that really counts.
Originally posted by MurcielagoYour plan would cost some where in the range of over a quarter trillion dollars, far to much money.
Originally posted by Murcielagoand yeah robots do alot, but there are not nearly as quick and efficient flexible as humans are.
Yes they do, I consider a plan to build a moonbase in decades, not years. The real beauty of having a base on the Moon is that most of it would be underground where you could have a pressurized environment for people to live and work in. There is more than enough metal on the surface of the moon to provide shielding from micrometeorites.
Originally posted by MurcielagoAlot of people on this site seem to ignore on how complex this would be and how costly and hard it would be to build a infastructure on the moon.
Oil would be required wherever mankind goes because we use Oil products such as plastics and lubricants, chemicals and processed cheese.
Considering the return on the investment would be trillions of dollars in metals that we do not have to deep mine for on earth, a ready supply of solar energy to power processing and manufacturing, the development of new technologies, take your pick it is a win/win situation. Yes the initial investment is one way, but it's the Return On Investment that really counts.
The idea is that petroleum based finished products would be sent to the moon while using as much lunar manufactured goods as they could for building/expanding a base.
Originally posted by MurcielagoAre you saying we should create all of these on the moon? and not just put all the stuff in a rocket and launch it up there.
Originally posted by Charles StevensonOil would be required wherever mankind goes because we use Oil products such as plastics and lubricants, chemicals and processed cheese.
A moon base and manufacturing site is not the ISS.
Originally posted by Charles Stevenson
Considering the return on the investment would be trillions of dollars in metals that we do not have to deep mine for on earth, a ready supply of solar energy to power processing and manufacturing, the development of new technologies, take your pick it is a win/win situation. Yes the initial investment is one way, but it's the Return On Investment that really counts.
Originally posted by MurcielagoThats what people thought the ISS would be like. We all know that thing ain't worth all the money that is being sucked into it.
Did you read this?
Originally posted by Rugoolian
its all good saying the moon has less gravity and all that but u still need to get all the material up into space and use just as much resources doing so and even more to build it on the moon i think a space station is more pratical for the now
The idea is to put these small robots on the surface of the moon where they would process the raw material into refined material, other robots would take the refined material and process it into structural components - when you have enough parts, you send a mechanic to assemble the whole thing thus begining human base presence on the moon.
Originally posted by Chuck Stevenson Men do not have to be on the moon first, the initial work can be performed by solar/nuclear powered factory robots that purify metals out of the lunar soil which is high in Titanium and other metals. One the refined metal 'ingots' are dropped these can be processed further to make parts such as Solar Panels, structural members and other basic parts. The basalt/silica in the soil can be used in a number of ways such as light structural members, windows, walls, ceramics and more(NASA). Eventually there should be a small stockpile which would allow Astronauts to build a small base structure. As the size of the base slowly grows more robots could be constructed from parts of both lunar and terran origin, more robots ... more work ... more materials. Eventually this would lead to a base which not only can support itself financially in raw and finished materials ...
Originally posted by CookieMonster000
umm its just rotating something so it creates artificial gravity....like when you swing a bucket of water and it never spills......well i think we might as well make a rail gun sort of thing and launch ourselves into space which would save the fuel for more important stuff....and that railgun thing can be put all over the solor system for easy super fast transport
Originally posted by E_T
You would need very big gun to get enough speed because human doesn't withstand big acceleration.
Originally posted by CookieMonster000
umm its just rotating something so it creates artificial gravity....like when you swing a bucket of water and it never spills......well i think we might as well make a rail gun sort of thing and launch ourselves into space which would save the fuel for more important stuff....and that railgun thing can be put all over the solor system for easy super fast transport
Originally posted by Murcielago
I think the rail gun should be for everything EXCEPT humans, were to fragile, We can only with stands 9G's, and not very long either. Shooting something into space with a rail gun is possible but it would be WAY WAY past what we humans can withstand.
Originally posted by Murcielago
I think the rail gun should be for everything EXCEPT humans, were to fragile, We can only with stands 9G's, and not very long either. Shooting something into space with a rail gun is possible but it would be WAY WAY past what we humans can withstand.
[edit on 7-9-2004 by Murcielago]