Why do people believe in redistrubution of wealth and more taxes for the rich?

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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 12:58 AM
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Most of us have worked minimum wage jobs... Many of us several of them at a time just to get by... I fully acknowledge the youth today have some challenges we did not. You also don't have many of the challenges we had.

Every generation is different, and each gets the harsh reality check that life often is not how we envisioned it, and certainly not how we were told it would go if we did this and this and this...

I empathize with you, it is tough to make a place and a standing for yourself in the world. I just don't think its THAT much tougher than it has been for all the past generations,or in some way more impossible than it has been in the years past. Different YES! Harder? In some ways, yes! Better? In someways YES!
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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by Cinaed
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Most of us have worked minimum wage jobs... Many of us several of them at a time just to get by... I fully acknowledge the youth today have some challenges we did not. You also don't have many of the challenges we had.

Every generation is different, and each gets the harsh reality check that life often is not how we envisioned it, and certainly not how we were told it would go if we did this and this and this...

I empathize with you, it is tough to make a place and a standing for yourself in the world. I just don't think its THAT much tougher than it has been for all the past generations,or in some way more impossible than it has been in the years past. Different YES! Harder? In some ways, yes! Better? In someways YES!
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Yes. What you say is true but it doesn't change the fact that the system doesn't work. Greedy Capitalists have amost brought about global economic colapse. That economic colapse and the subsequent 'bailouts' are being paid for by ordinary hard working people. I understand that the bailout are necessary but it's just wrong that the working mans taxes are being used to save the very corperations that caused this situation. Corperations that are headed up by money and power hungry pigs that makr more money in one year than I could hope to make in many years...



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 01:19 AM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by hudsonhawk69
Yes, what you say is true. What would really like is to reskill just like you suggest... unfortunatey without making more money that is impossible. My bad I made poor life choices.
I just feel that some people would view the OWS movent differently if they had experienced some of what those who support the cause have been through.
While you are correct this is not a central issue brought forward by the OWS movement, just my misguided rant.





How old are you? Your life almost over, no more room for improvement? What skills would you like to get? There are ways, but most have the thing called starting at the bottom, and that means you plan things out and focus your life on those plans even though you make little while you gain skills.

I would love to see more programs that invest in the person who is willing to work towards a better way of life, but it seems both programs and people willing are lacking. Though maybe you and a few others want to work hard to do better if given the chance I see most want money for nothing....

The deal is to always work towards improvement. Get a mimimum paying job, but never stop looking for another job that will teach new skills and allow you to earn more income. Sooner or later you will get a good paying job.


Again what you say is true but if I am to upskill jow will I support my family if I'm not working. I would love the study unified field theory but that is not exactly something I can do by correspondence



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 01:55 AM
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Captialism works if you keep the government out of it except for moderate regulation. NO ONE should ever be *too big to fail* that is what really poopooed up the whole program.

Crooked politicians getting bought off to make crap *stack the deck* laws, lazy citizens that bitched but did nothing because it didn't really affect us, or our flat screen TVs and Iphones etc etc....

Now that it affects us you see various movements awaking to *WTF???* *this affects US*

OWS is just not the answer, if it was it would be representing the whole of the people, not just the far left. Long as it continues to cater to the socialist/communist/global agenda and paints capitalism as the *EVIL* it can do nothing but bring great pain to this country. What worries many of us is we feel it is likely to bring violence and as you can see on the various threads...many are calling for violence and smacking their lips in anticipation of it...

If they truly want to be the 99%...they have to represent the 99%...and they DON'T...not even close.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by Cinaed
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Captialism works if you keep the government out of it except for moderate regulation. NO ONE should ever be *too big to fail* that is what really poopooed up the whole program.

Crooked politicians getting bought off to make crap *stack the deck* laws, lazy citizens that bitched but did nothing because it didn't really affect us, or our flat screen TVs and Iphones etc etc....

Now that it affects us you see various movements awaking to *WTF???* *this affects US*

OWS is just not the answer, if it was it would be representing the whole of the people, not just the far left. Long as it continues to cater to the socialist/communist/global agenda and paints capitalism as the *EVIL* it can do nothing but bring great pain to this country. What worries many of us is we feel it is likely to bring violence and as you can see on the various threads...many are calling for violence and smacking their lips in anticipation of it...

If they truly want to be the 99%...they have to represent the 99%...and they DON'T...not even close.


Again what you say is true. OWS may not be the answer but it is most certainly the begining. I don't support capitolism but that is a debate for another thread.

I believe that OWS are bringing forward valid and serious concerns. The question now becomes 'how do we move forward and 'FAIRLY' improve life for 'everyone'?



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:48 AM
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We need to change some laws and amend the Constitution if necessary, which I believe it is.

To me the beauty in the wisdom of the writers of this document is they created it to be amended as needed, and if what first seemed fair and right, turns out to be a mistake, they made certain future generations could repeal as well.

All we need to do is return to the foundation that made us a great nation. Easier said than done of course, but absolutely doable



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by Cinaed
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We need to change some laws and amend the Constitution if necessary, which I believe it is.

To me the beauty in the wisdom of the writers of this document is they created it to be amended as needed, and if what first seemed fair and right, turns out to be a mistake, they made certain future generations could repeal as well.

All we need to do is return to the foundation that made us a great nation. Easier said than done of course, but absolutely doable


I agree with what you say but I don't know if the things that made America great are all as pure in intention and honesty as thr Constitution...



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 04:34 AM
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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 05:11 AM
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Tell me exactly which system isn't working right now? We already have many of the socialist programs the communists wanted...a progressive income tax where the rich already are taxed at a higher rate, we have eminent domain where the govt can just seize private property, we have huge property taxes and real estate taxes(that's more redistribution of wealth from private to govt), we have all sorts of welfare, food stamps, free education(senior citizens and people with no children still have to pay for someone else's kids schooling), money to the UN to pay for other countries to have free education and food and vaccines medicine for AIDS incentives to limit families and so on.

So which system isn't working for us?



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 05:25 AM
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Human nature being what it is, no country is pure or honest... In our past though we have...as a nation, corrected ourselves in many key times, in very big ways...

The People just need to unite and decide what needs changed. Seriously. As long as the Tea Party and OWS are polarizing foes, divided we stay.

There is common ground, people just need to want to stand there...right now, no group out there represents *the will of the people*

So divided we are, and divided....we will fall.

It's getting down to a now or never thing



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by Cinaed
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Captialism works if you keep the government out of it except for moderate regulation. NO ONE should ever be *too big to fail* that is what really poopooed up the whole program.

Crooked politicians getting bought off to make crap *stack the deck* laws, lazy citizens that bitched but did nothing because it didn't really affect us, or our flat screen TVs and Iphones etc etc....

Now that it affects us you see various movements awaking to *WTF???* *this affects US*

OWS is just not the answer, if it was it would be representing the whole of the people, not just the far left. Long as it continues to cater to the socialist/communist/global agenda and paints capitalism as the *EVIL* it can do nothing but bring great pain to this country. What worries many of us is we feel it is likely to bring violence and as you can see on the various threads...many are calling for violence and smacking their lips in anticipation of it...

If they truly want to be the 99%...they have to represent the 99%...and they DON'T...not even close.


Communism died in russia and china. Its dying in cuba! Yet somehow we will get communism in america?

Please tell me you like yanking peoples chain or something because honestly sometimes I feel as though people don't keep up with the news as often as they should. The only country with true communism is north korea and its starving because that nation has been boycotted for decades.

Venezuela doesn't come close to communism. Its mild socialism(centrism) with redistribution of land from the spanish colonials.

So where do you see the communism threat then?? Maybe the aliens from mars will bring it? Give me a break.
People who think they know everything there is to know about politics don't have a #ing clue what they are talking about as evidenced by the constant bashing of OWS, socialism and communism. Socialism is not communism, ITS A HYBRID SYSTEM and there are many, many forms of it. We had soooo much McCarthism in america the last 50 years everyone thinks anything not 100% capitalist "must" be socialistic. The guy was a moron but we had a cold war then. Now we don't!

Yes we don't have free markets and we never did. Capitalism does not allow it because monopolies like microsoft, coca-cola, intel, at&t, betchel, cisco, etc beat the competition and then can do anything they please. Corporatism is the natural evolution of capitalism.

You keep asking for unity but people like you, neo, honor93, projectvxn, electricuniverse, keep throwing punches under the belt claiming its "a far left organisation". NO IT IS NOT! The only reason more people do not show up is because they work and have a family to feed. Think about it!



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Tell me exactly which system isn't working right now? We already have many of the socialist programs the communists wanted...a progressive income tax where the rich already are taxed at a higher rate, we have eminent domain where the govt can just seize private property, we have huge property taxes and real estate taxes(that's more redistribution of wealth from private to govt), we have all sorts of welfare, food stamps, free education(senior citizens and people with no children still have to pay for someone else's kids schooling), money to the UN to pay for other countries to have free education and food and vaccines medicine for AIDS incentives to limit families and so on.

So which system isn't working for us?


So why do republicans spend at least twice what democrats spend? How can the democrats be considered "liberal" and the republicans as "conservative".

Maybe they are conservative only as far as race goes. We all saw what a great fool donald trump made of HIMSELF!



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by hudsonhawk69
Again what you say is true but if I am to upskill jow will I support my family if I'm not working. I would love the study unified field theory but that is not exactly something I can do by correspondence


Well unless you are hawkings I don't think it will pay the bills. Many though have a job and then have interests totally different than their job, but the job puts the meat on the table so to speak.


This is to everyone not just you...


If you are in a place you don't like, in a place that looks to be impossable to get out of, first you need to blame no one but yourself. Don't blame the Government, don't blame the rich, don't blame God.... Blame yourself.

The other half is don't expect or demand anyone to help you but yourself once again. You will get help, or opportunities, or dumb luck, or good timing. It happens every day all the time, but until you, and only you, create the situations for all this to happen it most likely will not.

Some got it easy in life, it seem that everything they do turns to gold, some seem to struggle every step of the way. Well if you got it easy then great, and if you got it hard then tough, that is life. Life has not been easy for me so I'm not the ass many might think, but if you tackle you problems with that attitude you will succeed.

There is no 1%ers or 99%ers there is only you. 99% of the crap everyone bitches about will never touch them personally, but they still bitch like it actually affects them daily.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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Regarding the title question in your thread; "Why do people believe in redistrubution of wealth and more taxes for the rich?" I believe that what you have failed to recognize is that it's the redistribution of wealth that's taken place for the last 20yrs. that has brought about the need to tax the rich more in the first place. It's the fact that all the wealth has risen to the top 1%ers and there's none left at the bottom to tax.

I think the people actually want and end to the redistribution of wealth, but not in the same way you do. They want to stop all the wealth from flowing to the top 1%ers and to see it more evenly distributed among those who actually generate it.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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The reason for that is MANY Reps are actually Progressives in hiding!

If you notice there are many more conservative leaning people that in no way associate themselves to the Republican Party. Much the same has happened to the Democratic Party....

I'm so over this Party BS...

I think most American's just want a President and Representatives that aren't bought and paid for by the creeps in the shadows



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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Apparently you aren't paying attention to Russia


Or China...

Or the Pope....

Or to how the Arab Spring is not turning out so great for lots of those peeps..... Shariah Law is going to end up ruling some of them.... how is this *better*??? Women will be discriminated against etc etc etc

I guess it's all in perspective. Having been alive during the cold war, I see some familiar patterns....

Putin is an interesting fellow....check out what he is up to



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Cinaed
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Apparently you aren't paying attention to Russia


Or China...

Or the Pope....

Or to how the Arab Spring is not turning out so great for lots of those peeps..... Shariah Law is going to end up ruling some of them.... how is this *better*??? Women will be discriminated against etc etc etc

I guess it's all in perspective. Having been alive during the cold war, I see some familiar patterns....

Putin is an interesting fellow....check out what he is up to


All of the above are now capitalist with some lingering socialism....but not much! I know a lot of russians and especially chineese that cashed in big during the change to western ideals. Sure they are still our rivals from a nationalistic perspective, but if I were you I would definitely start worrying about them stealing our jobs since everything is so cheap to produce there. That is the first big hint that they have trasformed their economy 180 degrees to private ownership for maximum profits. That is definitely not what communism was all about!

As for the pope, what about him? He is the capitalist dictator of the world and probably a top tier mason, all the while pretending to be a good little christian. Looks can be deceiving although he has sponsored more child pornography, killings, etc than the cia and kjb combined.

Bottom line is communism is dead and socialism has potential if the PTB get over their superiority complex.
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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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Has anyone subtracted the money these evil rich people use to employ people and pay their salaries every year? You either choose to start your own business, or you choose to work for someone else...it's that simple. All you holier than thou idealists make my head hurt.....man up!

and how about we make the 50% of the united states population that don't pay taxes simply pay $50 a year.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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My dearest hope is the day never comes when you recall this thread and these comments...with a dazed look and feeling like a dumb ass...

I hope you are right.... Just don't believe you are. I am not basing my beliefs on anything other than history and what I see...

Most young people refuse to believe the cold war is back, (it never went away really, just underground for a few yrs) but the ones that remember it are looking at things with a raised brow. Globalism is not the answer...but I do believe it is going to be the outcome if OWS gets it's way... Should that happen, laws, regulations and rights would be dictated by some leader that quite likely might hate the US...

If they get what they are asking for, we are all screwed



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Tell me exactly which system isn't working right now? We already have many of the socialist programs the communists wanted...a progressive income tax where the rich already are taxed at a higher rate, we have eminent domain where the govt can just seize private property, we have huge property taxes and real estate taxes(that's more redistribution of wealth from private to govt), we have all sorts of welfare, food stamps, free education(senior citizens and people with no children still have to pay for someone else's kids schooling), money to the UN to pay for other countries to have free education and food and vaccines medicine for AIDS incentives to limit families and so on.

So which system isn't working for us?


It sounds like none of those systems are working to well... lets face it, the american economy is a beached whale the system that almost led the ENTIRE world to global economic collapse is not a system that is worthy or support.





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