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UN wants 13 month calendar, and to replace the 10 commandments with The Earth Charter.

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posted on Sep, 4 2004 @ 10:25 PM
While a calendar based on the Moon's and Earth's orbits would actually be correct astronomically, it would be wildly impractical (and just plain stupid) to chance the yearly calendar now. Plus, you'd have to find a name for the 13th month...

Also, this sounds like typical U.N. fluff. Hey, we've got terrorism, civil wars, famine, water shortages, etc., but none of that matters -- we need to change the calendar!

posted on Sep, 5 2004 @ 07:52 AM
I´ve just read through Swerdlow´s Blue blood, True blood and as soon as I saw this thread I remembered something about this out of the book. So i looked it up again and here it is:

They also know that there are really 13 zodiac signs, not the commonly acknowledged 12. They have kept the 13´th hidden for centuries because it is the sign of the Dragon. They keep the qualities and traits of this sign secret to avoid giving away clues to the reptilian mind-pattern.

"They" is referring to the Illuminati, 13 is as many of you know supposedly one number of great importance to them, with 13 ruling families as an example.

I know what the general thoughts on the reptilian issue is around here, but I personally can not ignore it. Think what you want, but please no more ridicule on this subject!
If you don´t believe it, fine, then don´t.

Also, don´t turn this thread into a debate regarding this. I only shared this info as I saw it as interesting coincidence (although I don´t belive in coincidences anymore).

posted on Sep, 5 2004 @ 08:22 AM
I've been reading new dawm magazine's for a while now, and lifetime activist for peace, Dr. José Argüelles, is just a tree hugging hippi who loves peace, animals, the earth, mother nature and wants to stop wars, stop violence, get this 13 month 28 day calander cycle going because of some ratio to do with the moon and the natural biological patterns. for example. A turtle shell has 13 individual blocks on it's shell, another animal has 13 something else, and lots of thigns ave 13 something must be natural, wow, lets make a calander out of it.

posted on Sep, 6 2004 @ 11:13 AM
That would be nice. We already use the 13 period system that consist of 28 days each at work. I could care less either way though, as long as it was the US making the decision for the US and not the UN making the decision for us. I really dislike the UN.

posted on Sep, 6 2004 @ 11:30 AM
The Gregorian 12 month calendar was only adopted because of the Vatican's suppositious disapproval of the number 13, a superstition that permeates our society to this day. I would welcome a change to a calendar system that is synchronistic with our natural environment.

posted on Sep, 6 2004 @ 11:35 AM
I've just remembered this link from a thread here on ATS a couple of weeks ago. It's very interesting to read and provides an interesting perspective on how and why we perceive time as we do. There's a bit of Mayan 2012 business in there too, not that I propogate doomsaying or apocolyptic prophecies but it is an intriguing read nontheless.

posted on Sep, 6 2004 @ 03:36 PM
Sorry for neglecting this thread, first of all. Thank you, to all of you who have resonded. I have been researching this periodically over the last week, and honestly. The more I figure out, the more there is to research about this. I think I am close to understanding the big picture now. What I am finding though, is that this may actually be a HUGE issue. It's implications are far reaching. I am finding that this actually ties into several theories that are discussed on this website. It's kind of a glue that holds them all together.

I know this is vague, and for that I appologize. Just to give you an idea, this ties into ancient cultures, Illuminati, Masons and other secret societies, fraternities, sororities, Jews, Muslims, evangelicals, the wars that the US and others have fought. Why we have all of the mis-information, basically what all of these things have been about. I believe this may be a key to it all. I am basically having a hard time piecing all of it into a coherent picture.

The basic premise though, is that we live in a deliberate pseudo reality. That is being created by "the powers that be". The key to it, is that everything has been distorted, twisted, and perverted. All so that the truth, will no longer be recognizable. Because it will seem so strange. Or even impossible to be possible at all. We are living in a backwards world. Where we live in a false time, dirrected by a false calendar. We speek a false language that was perverted, or created from another. Purposely so that man couldn't communicate, and unite. If you don't know what I mean by this, look here:

This theory proposes, that Samerian was the original language. It also suggests that all languages come from this language. It even goes as far, as giving you the codes that were used to distort the languages. Websters says, that the Samerian language disappeared around 3 B.C. So even our language is a perversion of an ancient culture. The Bible backs this theory up, with the story of the Tower of Babel. Spreading men speaking different languages all around the globe. Who does the Bible say is deceitful, wicked, twisted, etc. in his ways? Satan. Who study speaking backwards, writting backwards etc.? Satanists.

So what if the Bible is another form of mis-information? Not in content, but the perception that is taught about it. The way I look at it. The Bible wasn't written as a book for the future to lead people. The Bible IMO is a modern day newspaper. People communicated in writting. And the Bible was a bunch of historic news articles that were put into one book. It was also compiled by the Catholic church. The same institution that gave us the Gregorian calendar.

We have anti-depression drugs, that cause you to commit suicide. Republicans that are actually Democrats, and vissa versa. Diets that damage your health, or actually make you gain weight. Marijuana is illegal. Yet drugs that cause more side effects, than the actual health problem. Are promoted exaustingly on TV and other media. Putting Fluoride in our drinking water and other foods. Which has been medically proven to effect Melatonin levels in the brain. Which in turn effects a persons abilities to concentrate. Which in turn creats a frusterated angry society. All for an existance, that is little different then slavery. Doesn't this remind you of the snake oil salesman of yesteryear?

I was watching the Discovery channel yesterday, the series on Jesus the whole story. Anyways, did you know that at the Passover feast celebrated by the Sumeritans. Anually at this feast, they sacrifice 13 lambs? How many diciples did Jesus have? 12 plus Jesus makes, 13. I think there is a reason we are taught 13 if a bad or unlucky number. It's part of all of the misinformation we are being fed.

This "war", and all of the other wars. Have not been for their stated purposes. Here are some key questions to ask. Why is it the "christians" in the US and elsewhere are staunch supporters of Israel? Think about it. The Jews don't believe that their savior has come to Earth yet. They don't believe that Jesus is the sun of God.

Is it any wonder, that the Jews don't follow Christs teachings? They follow the first 5 books of the Bible. The controversy we have in the US and around the world. Is between people who have no problems with war or killing in the name of God, and others that do. Some follow the Old Testament, other follow the New Testament. Some believe in an eye for en eye type teachings, others believe in loving their enemies as themselves. We all know what Jesus taught. Does pre-emptive strikes sound like something Jesus would support? Even the Old Testement didn't take it that far.

It taught eye for an eye in response. Not if you think someone is going to poke your eye out, to do it first. Judging someone is something Christians aren't suppossed to do. Judging someone for something they have yet to do. Effectively takes the choice or "free will" away from the person suspected. It is basically saying, if I even suspect you are thinking about it. I have the right to kill you or whatever. God wanted man to be free, and to resepct eachothers free will. To take away anothers free will, because of a suspicion you may have, is nothing other than playing God..

You would think that the "christians" would have a problem with the Jews wouldn't you? You would think that the "christians" would be up in arms over Israel's policies. True Christians follow the teachings of Christ right? So why don't the "christian evangelicals" in this country have a problem with any of it. And why are "christians evangelicals" Israel's closest allies? Just doesn't make sense, does it?

The Muslims believe in Christ, and think he was a prophet. So why is there a huge amount of friction between "christians" and Muslims? Why do the Jews hate the Muslims? Could it be because the Jews don't believe in Christ, and the Muslims do? But if that's the case, why are the "christians" so cozy with the Jews? Could it be because they aren't true Christians? Look at their actions, and what they support, and don't support.

So as you can see this whole calendar issue, could be part of the larger picture. This is not a war for oil, although it was a nice by product of the main objective. This war against terrorism is just another war with a different name, with the same agenda of most all of the past wars. It is to stop people from realizing the truth. Before the war in Iraq. Many people in the historical community were very concerned about artifacts being "looted" from the Iraqi museums. Babalon is considered by many as the "cradle of civilization". After we invaded, did we protect the museums? Did we stop the "looting" of artifacts? No, the historians worst fears came to pass.

The majority of our wars are against ancient cultures. So part of my theory, is that this is all about erasing the truth/history. It's a little hard to know the truth about your past, when your history is being systematically erased. This is a good example that relates to the 13 month calendar we are discussing here.

Mesopotamia: The First Civilization

Authorities do not all agree about the definition of civilization. Most accept the view that "a civilization is a culture which has attained a degree of complexity usually characterized by urban life." In other words, a civilization is a culture capable of sustaining a substantial number of specialists to cope with the economic, social, political, and religious needs of a populous society. Other characteristics usually present in a civilization include a system of writing to keep records, monumental architecture in place of simple buildings, and an art that is no longer merely decorative, like that on Neolithic pottery, but representative of people and their activities. All these characteristics of civilization first appreared in Mesopotamia.

The Geography Of Mesopotamia

Around 6000 B.C., after the agricultural revolution had begun to spread from its place of origin on the northern fringes of the Fertile Crescent, Neolithic farmers started filtering into the Fertile Crescent itself. Although this broad plain received insufficient rainfall to support agriculture, the eastern section was watered by the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Known in ancient days as Mesopotamia (Greek for "between the rivers"), the lower reaches of this plain, beginning near the point where the two rivers nearly converge, was called Babylonia. Babylonia in turn encompassed two geographical areas - Akkad in the north and Sumer, the delta of this river system, in the south.

Do Tigris and Euphrates rivers ring any bells? They should, becuase the place that is being described here, is in modern day Iraq. Notice how it says "Mesopotamia: The First Civilization". Now what did the people in the fist civilization do? Read the info at this link:

"They invented mathematical tables and used quadratic equations. Both for religious and agricultural purposes, they studied the heavens, and they created a lunar calendar with a day of 24 hours and a week of seven days. Much of this science was transmitted to the West by the Greeks and later by the Arabs."

"The Sumerians based their number system on 10, but they multiplied 10 by 6 to get the next unit. They multiplied 60 by 10, then multiplied 600 by 6, and so on. (The number 60 has the advantage of being divisible by 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, and 30.) The Sumerians also divided the circle into 360 degrees. From these early people came the word dozen (a fifth of 60) and the division of the clock to measure hours, minutes, and seconds."

So we get our mathmatics from Sumerians, how about their calendar system?

"The Sumerians developed the first calendar, which they adjusted to the phases of the moon. The lunar calendar was adopted by the Semites, Egyptians, and Greeks."

Interesting isn't it? Who exactly are alot of the conspiracy theories based around on here? Zionists, neocons, evangelists, Illuminati, Free Masons and other secret societies. Wouldn't Semites, Egyptians, and Greeks include most, if not all of these groups?

How about the calendars? Isn't it interesting that Muslims use the lunar calendar. Jews use the lunisolar calendar, based on the Sun and the Moon. The Persians use the solar calendar based on the Sun. So alot of the conflict is over our perception of time, and weither it is based off the Suns's movements, or the Moons movements, etc.. So doesn't it make it all the more interesting that the possible coming Messiah (or possible anti-christs) name just happens to be SUN Myung MOON. How about the fact that he is trying to unify all of the religions?

Here's another interesting tid bit. At the Air Force Academy outside of Colorado Springs. They have a chapel. The chapel has three different sections, for three different religions. Any guesses what religions have representation in this Chapel? Protestant, Catholic, and Jewish. Maybe it's just me, but in my mind this all speaks volumes. This is a war over cultures, and erasing the past. So that the ancient ways will be forgotten, leaving future generations with this pseudo reality being forced down our collective throats. This culture war, is the war between good and evil IMO.

Enjoy the rest of your weekends, and I will post with more on this theory soon. As you can probably see, there is alot to cover here, and very difficult to communicate (at least for me) in a cohesive manner. I will try my best though. If you see where I am going with all of this, please feel free to add to it etc.. Sorry it is taking so long.
Tom Sawyer

[edit on 6-9-2004 by TomSawyer]

posted on Sep, 6 2004 @ 04:19 PM
Maybee you should start a new thread for this, I think its starting to be a different thing from the original.

posted on Sep, 7 2004 @ 01:16 PM

The UN is the most corrupt organization in the entire world. The only reason the US is involved with the UN is because without them we wouldn't get any money from the IMF or World Bank.

You care to explain this??

posted on Sep, 7 2004 @ 03:04 PM
As far as I can tell (admittedly, five minutes of research) the US does not receive loans from the IMF. Rather, we are the largest financier, and thus the largest stockholder, of the IMF. We retain a 17.81% voting privilege. Where do we receive IMF money from?

We also charge the IMF a below-market interest rate on our bridge loans to them. That means the IMF pays less interest on its loaned money than you or I do.

Again, I did not research this heavily but initial results indicate no source of information confirming that the US receives loans from the IMF.

posted on Sep, 7 2004 @ 03:18 PM
what about my birthday.....
if they change it i wont have a birthday least not the real one

posted on Sep, 7 2004 @ 03:21 PM

Originally posted by CookieMonster000
what about my birthday.....
if they change it i wont have a birthday least not the real one

im not sure,
Im going to put this thread in the NWO Index thread
this is a good thread, congrats to the author

posted on Nov, 14 2004 @ 05:36 PM
hey-- i'm new on this site and i'm not sure if i am posting this question in the correct spot, but... what's the deal with the "Earth Charter"??? It seems to me that replacing something like the Ten Commandments would cause a larger uproar than a moon based calender being imposed. I can't find anything about this online-- does anybody know anything about this?

posted on Nov, 14 2004 @ 07:37 PM
We already have a 13 month calendar in the sky. It is written in the motions of the Sun and Moon. See Genesis. The illogical 12 month calendar was cooked up by the Pope in the Dark Ages when higher math was forbidden. The real mystery here is: why do women's menstrual cycles match the motion of the moon at a certain point back in time, which match the motions of the sun and earth at a certain point back in time, making a Calendar of 13 Moons and 364+1 holy day possible... Stonehenge stuff, this. Lots of interesting math puzzles in the solar system, like the eclipse diameter of the Moon... rather well-engineered place, Earth.

Jesus was onto this: twelve disciples, plus Him = 13.

What do they want to call Month 13?

The 10 Commandments are an Earth Charter- if people would follow them. I seem to remember that Sears, Roebuck & Co. used to use a 13 Month Calendar in the Chicago headquarters office...

[edit on 14-11-2004 by Chakotay]

posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 04:24 PM
How could any of this actually be executed? I mean for people like me whos birthdays land on a day past 28 (mine being the 29th) would be birthdayless? I dont know how any of this could be feasible... if it happens we are going to have some major issues.

posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 04:43 PM
Good idea to change the calendar. We should get rid of all illogical systems that we only use for historical reasons.
Take time. Metric time is way better to use and more logical. 10 hours a day, 100 minutes make an hour and 100 seconds make a minute.

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 06:35 AM
13 mo's x 4 weeks of 7 days = 364 days.

you would count the days from new years to find your b'day.

you'd be able to answer this, what day of the week will april 18 2006 be?
you cant now, but the new system would make it easy.
it is a goal that could unite humanity.

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 11:53 AM
I totally agree with such a calendar. I am myself always been messed up with the whole problem of figuring out how many days there are in this or that month, and the moon cycle would be a useful indication of the turning point of each month.

I don't see anything religious in the way our actual calender is organised... jsut a cultural construction that has spanned over all the Dark Ages in Europe and is not so wonderfully functional. Also, to impose the actual calendar to foreign nations is just one more element of cultural assimilation that the world could easily live without. But the question is: will the UN assimilate the world?

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 12:47 PM
Help, I'm having a brain blurb!

So if a year is 13 months of 28 days, a year is a day shorter than now (364 days). But wait, right now a year is 365 days, except we have to make up a day every 4 years to keep that on track. So every four years do we lose 5 days? Just looking at my age, that would have put my birthday at 55 days before it happened. Not really thrilled about that.

On the other hand, this could alleviate the problem of many holidays falling on different days of the week each year, but unless they can be lined up to all fall on a Friday for a long weekend, this doesn't work for me either. Also the occurance of certain holidays are based on the current calendar - what a mess.

Seriously though, what are the real implications of this and why should it matter? I don't buy the religious argument against the current calendar or the NWO type argument for the 13 month calendar of any significant consequence myself and I'm finding this all very perplexing.

posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 10:28 PM
So if a year is 13 months of 28 days, a year is a day shorter than now (364 days). But wait, right now a year is 365 days, except we have to make up a day every 4 years to keep that on track. So every four years do we lose 5 days? Just looking at my age, that would have put my birthday at 55 days before it happened. Not really thrilled about that.

So..........what day of the week does Christmas fall on in the year 2009?
The new calendar would mean you would instantly know......time yourself, and see how long it takes to figure out with our present abomination of a calendar. I personally dislike the fact that those egomaniacs Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar stole days from my birth month, February and added them to their namesake months for good luck.......the rat bastards.

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