No comments at all, hmmm? Interesting. I know it's a long read; but, it's highly worthwhile.

It's amazing to realize how stupid and malleable most human beings really are. Although I know that most things I here on the news are BS, I am still not imune to it. Very few are.

I'm not confident that anything can be done about it though. Some of the smartest folks I know refuse to accept the fact that they are being deceived. They think they're too smart. Others refuse to believe that 'Americans' in leadership positions are capable of this type of activity.

Of course most people just think I'm paranoid because I suggest they consider the strong possibility that the ones executing the war are the ones profiting most form the very same war.

I've read it before. Nothing new. I think I or someone else posted it here already. (via the mercola.com website).

Thanks for sharing......

You've woken me up........ The good old days, tripping on mushrooms and becoming one with the universe....I remember lying beside water and staring up at the stars, feeling totally breathless and connected to something bigger...

A hightened sense of awareness is what I experienced a few times... It was better then sex...

And because of my awareness and connected(ness) to the universe and energies I know what it's like to get away from this reality. I know how it feels to be part of something larger...

No doubt in my mind that America's brain's are being run by media outlets, all the vivid colours, pretty faces, certain voice tones, ect ect all connect to our brainwaves, we take it all in, cycle it, remember snippit's of what is what, and all the colors pretty faces and voice tones help us remember certain sound bytes...

The biggest thing we need to be concerned about here is how we're being desensitized by the media.. The more desensitized we become as one the more bs we can put up with... The tolerance we have towards certain cowardly things is outrageous....

I am aware of this and thus I am de programmed to certain things, I could be de programmed more, but I think recognizing it and working towards a more controlled sense of self and intelligence is the second step.....

Many people don't want to do that thought because it's too much work, and their gullibility gets in the way. Not everybody can be deprogrammed , there is always going to be followers.... And then there is always going to be hunters and gatherer's ... Hunting for the truth, gathering the truth, and setting yourself free from all the bs circulating around the air waves...

This web is much more tangled then we think it is..... It is so big, so messy, it would take a long time to detangle... That's why a personal quest is important, everything going on around us today is all part of something much bigger then ourselves, but much smaller then the universe...
If you can connect to the universe and it's energies you can out wit them, and separate yourself from the web forever. Is drugs the answer?? mmm, maybe sometimes... but you can achieve this "oneness" without em, but it does help... wow, it's been so long, but my memories are still there and man, what a feeling...

I was in my 3rd year majoring in psychology and ... I dropped out ... for this reason ... Philosophy is only the study of what we do not know anything about. We have learned enough to know something is there, yet we do not know exactly what it is, there are shows made about it; and it is just a study about what we do not know. But anyways back on subject the reason I wrote this is b/c I hate people who start that thing about conditioning ... and everyone is conditioned on some level ... I think this is idealody is correct but I think that any some people are able to break this condition Hense ... it is not a law ... Hense .... nothing about it makes sense ...

Originally posted by TheBandit795
I've read it before. Nothing new. ).

That's not the point. The point is a lot of people don't actually understand this. So, I thought I'd put it out. If you have a link to where it's already discussed, why not post it?

The best thing to do is turn the tv off and diversify sources of print and electronic media.

The problem is that with TV, the information goes to the people watching, with books, internet, etc, the people must do the work of getting the information.

As the humans are really lazy, they prefer what they can get without effort.

This is true. Whatever the president or the news go on TV and say...americans belive it, and it pisses me off!

Neil Postman's excellent book "Amusing Ourselves to Death" shows clearly how our nation has become more and more dumbed down as technology has expanded. It's a must-read.

Originally posted by bet555
I was in my 3rd year majoring in psychology and ... I dropped out ... for this reason ... Philosophy is only the study of what we do not know anything about. We have learned enough to know something is there, yet we do not know exactly what it is, there are shows made about it; and it is just a study about what we do not know. But anyways back on subject the reason I wrote this is b/c I hate people who start that thing about conditioning ... and everyone is conditioned on some level ... I think this is idealody is correct but I think that any some people are able to break this condition Hense ... it is not a law ... Hense .... nothing about it makes sense ...

I majored in Psychology and midway through I decided to study philosophy. I ended up getting a B.A. in both. Psychology and philosophy are both strange fields of study. As humans, we constantly have to be amateur psychologists and philosophers, even if we don't think of ourselves as being so. But, honestly, there are always people who will say that "psychology is a bunch of crap" and then spout off a psychological theory... in the same way, people will denounce philosophy as nothing but a bunch of horsesh*t but continure to philosophize at no end. Those who actually do psychological research know that no theorizing comes off the top of your head, but only after a long, sober look at data and past research, and even then, you will have to battle with your peers and convince them. The best work in psychology never, EVER reaches the public. Usually, it is those psychologists who have failed to convince their colleagues who resort to writing a book for the public, showing up on TV, or hosting a talk show. Similarly, good philosophy is incredibly rigorous and comprehensive... so much that those who don't have the patience to read it will give up and, again, denounce it as a bunch of horsesh*t.

The talk about "conditioning" by the education system is a little farfetched. What kind of conditioning do you mean? Do you think that the education system is organized enough to actually pull off conditioned responses in a strict fashion? Hell no. Honestly, teachers don't know how to control those kind of reinforcement schedules, and even if they did, the students' environments are far too uncontrolled to ensure the proper responses.

If you are going to talk about conditioning in our educational system, then provide data.

phaedrus

No offense, but I'll take my political science/history BS before psychology, pholosophy and journalism anyday. The combat experience didn't hurt, either. I'm not saying I'm better, just that my area of discipline is more useful. Take journalism, for example, why pay good money to learn how to write for sixth-graders when I could specialize in the middle east. Journalists today more or less write in formula, what the government message is. No thanks. Why pay good money to get a degree in psychology when I can form the same possible conclusions with the counsel of my friends, relatives, pastor and family doctor? Why philosophy? I think too much, already.

Having said all that, I respect anybody that will commit themselves to a field of study and earn a degree. It's not easy, unless you're brilliant.

On the conditioning.. look around. We are all faced with never-ending conditioning in this society. At times, I'll be sitting there watching the boob tube and Wendy's will run an ad, or Arby's and I am suddenly gripped with a strong desire to run out and get a double cheese burger. Sometimes, I succomb. Thank God I don't have a weight problem. Look at the advertising all around us on billboards, TV, the radio, the internet... I HATE it! In school it's everything. It goes from the teachers being programmed into political correctness from the time they are in school and beyond, it's the downward influence of views, "values" and programs coming from the Education Department, (which should be abolished), to the financial backing of institutes and endowments that support education. I remember when I was a kid, we started each day with the pledge of allegience. I never had a problem with it but then when I was in college (after the Army), a wickedly smart prof. pointed out how that was part of the pro-government social conditioning. Going to school for 8 hrs a day is also part of it. It teaches the ants how to march, along with teaching them how to read, write and do math.

Public education has been so dumbed down it's ungodly. Just look at literacy rates. And the more money we've thrown at the problem, the worse things have gotten. It's a convergence of many factors. And it's so subtle, most of us never even realize it.

- an endless succession of unspeakably boring, inane movies, short on plot, long on CGI

Wonder what movies he means?

I don't know, but look at all these movies out there with the action heroes and their violence. Shyte blowing up, people shooting at each other with automatic weapons, it's just ridiculous.

Schwartzenneger said one of his heroes was John Wayne. Yeah, one fake is another fake's hero. I got nuthin against John Wayne, but did ya'll know the Duke never served in the military. He was nuthin but a fake heero. So, I got a good laugh out of that (during the convention). Hollywood. I love the movies, but people really do get a warped view of things. Especially of war and true grit. Kids nowdays think war is a video game. Anything but, kids. At least if you're on the ground.

The movies not only warp people's views, the violence in them work to de-sensitize our citizens. We're not nearly as shocked at the news someone was shot to death when we hear about it all the time. And see people getting mowed down by the "hero." The sad thing is, in real life it's so much more grotesque. Even Hollywood can't do it justice.

If people can't see the difference between entertainment and the real world, thats their problem, probably has something todo with how their parents raise them.

If kids think war is a video game, then its the job of education and parents to show them that war is not fun.

But the guy who wrote this, aims at CGI movies. The movies that mostly use CGI are sci-fi movies and opened my mind to other possibilities and indirectly led me to this forum and article.

[edit on 6-9-2004 by Ice^^Heat]

It's all about money and power, America isn't run by the government, but by the corporations.

Like Micheal Moore says in Bowling for Columbine. Creating a culture of fear, uniting a people against an "enemy". The people in power feed of the peoples fear. Thus they create an enemy. After the Soviet Union fell, they just created a new one. And after terrorists have been "beaten" what will be next? ET? Like Steven Greer says?

many people are "brainwashed","programmed" and "conditioned" to believe that the government is "brainwashing","programming" and "conditioning" them.....

[edit on 6-9-2004 by Creepy]

Originally posted by EastCoastKid In another thread I was discussing with someone how the government uses public schools to brainwash our kids. Throw in the repetition of messages in television, the USA's biggest drug of choice, and you've got millions of people who are conditioned to NOT think for themselves.

The blame game. It's easy to think there is some mind-controlling conspiracy at the core of this concept. That way, we/you can point to someone other than ourselves for the root cause of the dumbing of society (it's not just America). Sadly... I doubt that's the case. The reality is that we (society) have accepted the spoon-fed mental pabulum that fills network programming schedules (including news) and drives revenue. These TV networks are corporations with bottom-lines, investors and CFO's that constantly require an ever increasing degree of profit. That, in itself, is not terrible... what is terrible is that we (public) have selected the least common denominator of horrid crap in the form of wretched popular music, mindless sitcoms, and degrading reality shows. This is what we've asked for in the form of Nielson ratings... and we get what we deserve. We only have ourselves to blame.

Hey this is really true!
I have been telling people exactly this on this site for YEARS.

Last night I saw a "cop show" on TV. I forget the title, it was about trainee and freshly graduated FBI agents and their boringly derivitively themed adventures.

Anyway one of the female heros, nearly gets kicked out, because she doesn't listen to the leader. They ask her why she is wants to be an agent and she launched into a story about her military husband being killed in 9/11 and how she carried the flag that was draped over his coffin and vowed to bring the terrorists to justice.

It was the sort of reply that just needed the flag in the background, men standing with hands over their hearts and the national anthem being sung by angels in the distance.

It was totally focused on indoctrinating the watcher with FBI = ultimate good, "Bad guys" - undefined - anyone who disagreed with the FBI as ultimate evil.

This conditioning was reinforced in the program when a trainee cheated on his FBI test, and the woman who caught him out had a partiotic lump in her throut as she explined that the FBI was not just another organization, that it was not just another test, but he was defending the United States and only honest moral people should have that power.

Again it was conditioning people to accept that everything the FBI did was right, and that they knew best.

The entire program seemed to be a vehicle for transfering these "ideals" to the viewers, with the actual action being little more than fillers in the patriotic speaches.

This program was as much propaganda as anything Russia, or North Korea, or Nazi Germany, ever produced.
With exactly the same themes of
"mother land must be protected"
"authority must be obeyed as its for your own good"
"undefined enemies are evil"

as you would get from their media....

Main Editors who are befriended with politicians, Directors of publishing companies who are invited to the Bilderberg convention.

Also,

News Networks who are noted at at Wallstreet. If a News Network has shareholders and stuff, then its not about objective journalism but about profit isn't it? Then it is really vulnerable to corporations.