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posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 11:55 AM
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Could someone tell me what are the progress made currently on the JSF project? When the first JSF are going to enter USAF service? And will that mean that those old F-4s, F-14s, F-15s and F-16s will be retired?




posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 11:57 AM
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It's chugging along, but it's overweight.



posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by AtheiX
Could someone tell me what are the progress made currently on the JSF project? When the first JSF are going to enter USAF service? And will that mean that those old F-4s, F-14s, F-15s and F-16s will be retired?


As far as I remember the F-35 JSF is replacing the A-10, F-16, older versions of F/A-18, the AV-8 and the RAF and RN Harriers.

It can replace all these very different planes because it comes in three varients.

CTOL (Conventional Takeoff and Landing) for USAF.

STOVL (Short Takeoff and Vertical Landing) for USMC, RN and RAF.

and CV for aircraft carriers utilising catapaults.

- I know other countries armed forces are buying these planes but those forces above are who the plane was designed for.

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Hopefully they can sort out the weight problems. Then it would be a great plane - cheap, stealthy, versatile, powerful...


[edit on 30/8/04 by Hyperen]



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by Hyperen

Originally posted by AtheiX
Could someone tell me what are the progress made currently on the JSF project? When the first JSF are going to enter USAF service? And will that mean that those old F-4s, F-14s, F-15s and F-16s will be retired?


As far as I remember the F-35 JSF is replacing the F-16, older versions of F/A-18

[edit on 30/8/04 by Hyperen]

I can't see it. I see in Iraq that they still use F-14, 15, 16 and 18



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 02:51 AM
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Originally posted by AtheiX
I can't see it. I see in Iraq that they still use F-14, 15, 16 and 18


When it comes into to service it will be replacing the A-10, F-16, F/A-18 and Harriers.

Not the F-14 and F-15 though.

F-15 gets replaced by F-22.

And F-14, well doesn't really get a proper replacement



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 08:31 AM
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I've got tons of videos of the JSF competition, before Boeing took theirs off i saved them, and the Bird of Prey MPEG and Quicktime. The Lockheed ones are of course still online and freely available but it is so good to have both sides of the story. Unfortunately no place to host them. If anyone wants any Boeing vids send a u2u.



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by Hyperen
And F-14, well doesn't really get a proper replacement


Its replacement officially is the F/A-18E/F, but only the bureaucrats really believe this. Lockheed has and is currently trying to get a navalised F-22 (allot better than the f-18 or F-35) but hornet lobbyers in the pentagon are afraid it will threaten the Super hornet. In my opnion the Navy's JSF should be cancelled in favor of a NAvy Raptor. That means a longer range for a strike plane and a better interceptor. Will less weight resulting from the Navy version, the weight problems of the JSF would be kept down. the navy raptor could use the JSF's strike components combined with a Raptor's advanced a-a systems



posted on Aug, 31 2004 @ 10:59 AM
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I read a statement that the manufacturers are saying there was to be an august weight loss program and that they were confident it would resolve the current problems.

Anyone got anything more on this?



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by roniii259

Originally posted by Hyperen
And F-14, well doesn't really get a proper replacement


Its replacement officially is the F/A-18E/F, but only the bureaucrats really believe this. Lockheed has and is currently trying to get a navalised F-22 (allot better than the f-18 or F-35) but hornet lobbyers in the pentagon are afraid it will threaten the Super hornet. In my opnion the Navy's JSF should be cancelled in favor of a NAvy Raptor. That means a longer range for a strike plane and a better interceptor. Will less weight resulting from the Navy version, the weight problems of the JSF would be kept down. the navy raptor could use the JSF's strike components combined with a Raptor's advanced a-a systems


Did you know that there was such a thing at one time? It was called the Naval ATF, and based on what little I've heard about it, the NATF was supposed to have had swing wings like the F-14. The Navy's ATF was cancled before the prototypes were built. Maybe Lockheed is trying to revive the design.

Tim
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posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 12:50 PM
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The main problem for JSF is not overweight, but Iraq war.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 02:10 PM
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I think the biggest problem with the JSF is the lack of an enemy. In the post-soviet world, there is no need for better than what we have now. I love planes as much as any of you, but other than pushing N.E.O. flight projects, it'll be extremely hard to get military projects out of the lab and into the hands of the military. Opponents will just rationalize that what we have is the best(highly debateable), so why do we need anything better?

In reality, flight stresses and fatigue will be killing our current aviation arsenal as effectively as any missle, and budget cutters will ALWAYS put new programs on the chopping block. So we will NOT have the best fighters in 10 years or so if they kill the JSF and Raptor. Countries that are arming now will (Swedish Grippens, UAE Block 60 F-16s, French Rafales, Chinese J-10s, just to name a few).



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 02:18 PM
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According to this a lot of the technology used in the JSF isn't maturing fast enough either. However, with a fly away date somewhere at the end of the decade, they should have enough time to fix this.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 02:57 PM
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They're working on the weight problem, it's probably solved already:

JSF's Weight Problems Nearing Solution, Contractor Says



posted on Sep, 5 2004 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
However, with a fly away date somewhere at the end of the decade, they should have enough time to fix this.

So until then they're going to use those old junks?
Then I don't know if the USAF can be called the best AF in the world



posted on Jan, 31 2005 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by Hyperen

Originally posted by AtheiX
I can't see it. I see in Iraq that they still use F-14, 15, 16 and 18


When it comes into to service it will be replacing the A-10, F-16, F/A-18 and Harriers.

Not the F-14 and F-15 though.

F-15 gets replaced by F-22.

And F-14, well doesn't really get a proper replacement
F-14s get replaced by the F-18E/F SuperHornet



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by playboytg

Originally posted by Hyperen

And F-14, well doesn't really get a proper replacement



F-14s get replaced by the F-18E/F SuperHornet



Well maybe officially, but the F/A-18E/F doesn't have the capability to shoot down airborne targets at a very long range like the F-14 had with the AIM-54 Phoenix.

Anyway I'm not sure having that capability is so useful today. Maybe in the cold war to shoot down loads of enemy bombers or cruise missiles it would have been good.



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 03:47 PM
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So until then they're going to use those old junks?
Then I don't know if the USAF can be called the best AF in the world


What old junk are you referring to? Are you talking about the F-15? Doesn't look like old junk to me its old bur it can still whoop A. Are you talking about the F/A-22? Because its defiantly not old junk.



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 05:57 PM
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The thrust of the engine on F-35B is licensed maded on Rolls-Roys and purchased at Russian.
Vertical lift is not American technology so don't show up . Your five generation is whol not american .-O-Le



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 07:19 PM
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Didn't the Yak-41 use a lift fan much like that?



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by Fenix F 308
The thrust of the engine on F-35B is licensed maded on Rolls-Roys and purchased at Russian.
Vertical lift is not American technology so don't show up . Your five generation is whol not american .-O-Le

The JSF is no doubt an international effort - using not only international manufacturing but technologies which are not necessarily birthed in the US.
I would think you are referring to the VTOL Yak-141 & the Yak-38... I have no argument with you there, I only wonder why you think it's an issue.

So are you trying to say that the JSF is any less of a fighter because it employs so many attributes from outside of the US or are you just proud of the Yak and want us all to know about it?

[edit on 5-4-2005 by bios]



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