Marxism today and OWS

Originally posted by Daughter2
All of those things you posted have NOTHING to do with class warfare. Gee, so now it's somehow picking on the rich if we don't allow them to give big paying jobs to people who pass their laws?

Do you think investigating street gangs is also class warfare?

Considering the way they reacted to Steve Job's death, I don't think they are against creating wealth - just creating wealth by unethical methods.

Steve jobs also worked his ass off his whole life and made good business decisions to get where he was. Some ups and downs. But it turned out well for him.
The fed, central banks, and their roots in politics however..
And globalist corporations doing their things all over the globe. Too many things to count..
So yes, Way to powerful when they can get whatever they want.. and do whatever they want with no repurcussions.

reply to post by AzureSky


We need to get over the socialism communism thing? Look who is supporing OWS

In a move that may redefine the term “strange bedfellows,” the American Nazi Party issued an official endorsement of the Occupy Wall Street protest movement on Sunday afternoon. The announcement put the organization, a self-described “National Socialist” political party, in company with the Socialist Party USA, which explained its own support for the left-wing protesters in a nationwide conference call last Tuesday night, crediting organized labor with the protests’ strength and sophistication to date. Read more: dailycaller.com...

“I bring greetings and solidarity from the Communist Party,” Bachtell said to hoots and applause. “We are here, marching side-by-side. We’ll sleep here. We’ll be with this movement ’til the very – ’til we make all the changes that we know we have to make.”
Bachtell also organized the Tuesday evening conference call, with an online call to action that framed the Communist Party’s involvement as one part of a larger movement uniting the “Occupy” protesters with a “Week of Action for Jobs” organized by the AFL-CIO, and with congressional Democrats’ push to pass President Obama’s American Jobs Act.


“A big challenge for the CPUSA and left, progressive movements is to link these demonstrations with the labor led all-people’s coalition and help deepen understanding that the path to progress must be through electoral and political action including defeating Republican Tea Party reaction in 2012.”

Read more: dailycaller.com...

Read more: dailycaller.com...

reply to post by AzureSky


And how about this?

The occupying protesters' day got off to a good start. Iran's supreme leader and "new leftists" in the People's Republic of China have endorsed their cause.

During a speech yesterday in Kermanshah, Iran, before a crowd of "tens of thousands," Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said:
"The corruption of the capitalist regime has become evident for these people (the protesters)... This movement will soar to completely mark the downfall of the West and the capitalist regime."
In a show of support for the U.S. occupiers, public gatherings have been held in at least two Chinese cities. Both gatherings were unhindered by Chinese authorities. Four days ago, in the city square of Luoyang in Henan province, participants "put up a big picture of Mao and displayed a huge banner with the slogan "To Staunchly Support American People's Great 'Wall Street' Revolution!"".

www.americanthinker.com...


Maybe it's time for you to eat your pride and admit what we already know about this movement.

Norman Thomas, a U.S. Socialist Party candidate for president, once famously said, “The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
Thomas ran for president six consecutive times from 1928. He needn’t have bothered, as Franklin Delano Roosevelt and subsequent Democrat Presidents introduced most of the planks of the Communist Manifesto and we live with them to this day.
The Occupy Wall Street youngsters are the latest foot soldiers of Communism, though it is likely most are too ignorant to realize it. They have been so thoroughly indoctrinated in government schools and by Hollywood and the media that they have no idea how they are being used by labor unions and other leftist organizations.

www.canadafreepress.com...

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Yet you ignore what conservative ATSers are saying about the actual events.

You do realize that you are working real hard to protect the status quo here?

reply to post by AzureSky


oh yah and here it is on the OccupyWallStreet website, a link to the story of communists and nazis supporting them. They must feel so proud.

occupywallst.org...


Worker's World Party signs at the protest

www.blacklistednews.com...

Even more laughable is the fact that some of these protesters are actually supporters of Barack Obama despite the fact that his 2008 presidential campaign was supported by a huge number of Wall Street insiders and Fortune 500 corporate interests. The George Soros financed MoveOn.Org political action group is said to also be getting involved in steering the protests in a direction that will undoubtedly be as favorable to the establishment as possible. Soros is a wealthy billionaire insider and an individual you would think these protesters would be against. It is laughable that the protesters don't even question the fact that their so-called movement is now being supported by an organization that is financed by somebody as closely tied into the elite as Soros is.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by AzureSky

 

oh yah and here it is on the OccupyWallStreet website, a link to the story of communists and nazis supporting them. They must feel so proud.

occupywallst.org...

Submitted by a user, who could just as well be Glenn Beck trying to prove a point.
really man... Tho protest too much

Originally posted by mastahunta
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Yet you ignore what conservative ATSers are saying about the actual events.

You do realize that you are working real hard to protect the status quo here?

Which conservative ATSers? Oh yah, one guy who went to a local Occupy. Who else? Can you not just see with your own eyes who is being represented in these protests?

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by AzureSky

 

oh yah and here it is on the OccupyWallStreet website, a link to the story of communists and nazis supporting them. They must feel so proud.

occupywallst.org...

Submitted by a user, who could just as well be Glenn Beck trying to prove a point.
really man... Tho protest too much

Ok sure let's play that one out....OccupyWallStreet lets Glenn Beck post it on their site...yah, right...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by mastahunta
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Yet you ignore what conservative ATSers are saying about the actual events.

You do realize that you are working real hard to protect the status quo here?

Which conservative ATSers? Oh yah, one guy who went to a local Occupy. Who else? Can you not just see with your own eyes who is being represented in these protests?

edit on 17-10-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

Go to event instead of being a useful tool my friend.

If you get all your perspective from TV or the radio, or ATS members who do... you are going
to have a very biased POV like you do. Many people are being represented, individuality
everyone has an opinion...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by AzureSky

 

oh yah and here it is on the OccupyWallStreet website, a link to the story of communists and nazis supporting them. They must feel so proud.

occupywallst.org...

Submitted by a user, who could just as well be Glenn Beck trying to prove a point.
really man... Tho protest too much

Ok sure let's play that one out....OccupyWallStreet lets Glenn Beck post it on their site...yah, right...

You can join that site and post dead infant pictures and say Barack Obama took them,
not that hard to join.

reply to post by mastahunta


I think at this time trying to say OWS is not a Leftist protest is to say the sky is really green, not blue. Denying the obvious.

That doesn't mean that their message is any less valid.. but don't be surprised that many will not line up behind the "99%" because their ideologies will push many away. And not only Conservatives either, the far left and far right make up a small portion of the population, many middle of the road folks may be turned off by the blatant ....... dare I say... hippy-ness of the "camps"

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by mastahunta

 

I think at this time trying to say OWS is not a Leftist protest is to say the sky is really green, not blue. Denying the obvious.

That doesn't mean that their message is any less valid.. but don't be surprised that many will not line up behind the "99%" because their ideologies will push many away. And not only Conservatives either, the far left and far right make up a small portion of the population, many middle of the road folks may be turned off by the blatant ....... dare I say... hippy-ness of the "camps"

I am not saying that it is not to the left, but from what I understand from your other post
you are not as freaked out as your were prior to your visit, am I incorrect?

I have seen all kinds myself, it is fair for me to push back against these people
who don't even bother to see for themselves.

reply to post by mastahunta


I was there the first day of the protest (locally) .. it was just a march, there was no camp. There were all kinds of people there, I knew several there that were also at Tea Party protests as well...

The "Camp" now is a wide jungle of obstacles, and there are still a wide variety of people that support the movement but the core group is very, very, very "Left of Center". Literally sit around a circle playing a guitar smoking pot discussing socialist economic principles. It was still fun, if not crazy.

Personally I don't agree with a lot of what OWS is touting, I believe in their most basic principles: The government is corrupt, it serves corporations and international business interest over the well being of the people, it stands for immorality and distrust as it squandered our nations wealth over the past few decades.

I think Most people will agree with that. Right or Left. Even if they do make fun of the moronic kids talking about communism, anarchy, or just wanting their student debt forgiven. So all I'm saying, having been there and seen it first hand ... don't be surprised when people poke fun, laugh at, and all around don't take the ultra Progressive Liberal camps (which they are) very seriously.

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by mastahunta
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Yet you ignore what conservative ATSers are saying about the actual events.

You do realize that you are working real hard to protect the status quo here?

Which conservative ATSers? Oh yah, one guy who went to a local Occupy. Who else? Can you not just see with your own eyes who is being represented in these protests?

edit on 17-10-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

Go to event instead of being a useful tool my friend.

If you get all your perspective from TV or the radio, or ATS members who do... you are going
to have a very biased POV like you do. Many people are being represented, individuality
everyone has an opinion...

edit on 17-10-2011 by mastahunta because: (no reason given)

You think I get all my perspectives from Tv or radio? Did I ever tell you where I get all my perspectives? Do I use Fox news as references for most of my citations? I do listen to talk radio when I'm out driving. Sure I listen to Mark Levin and Michael Savage. I read Antony Sutton and various blogs. I google stuff. I read stuff I see here at ATS. I check out Drudge. I check out Alex Jones.
What I don't do is use DailyKos or Huffpo as the gospel truth.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Why do they assume that they are too ignorant to realize it? Communism is the net end of a political-economic system like ours. It can't sustain itself forever.

The problem is you people think that communism is what you see in China today, or what you saw in the Soviet Union 50 years ago. It isn't, far from it actually. McCarthy era propaganda and the conservative media has brainwashed so many people into hating even a mention of the word communism.

reply to post by crmanager


I just spent 3 days occupying my ciity. I spoke to Marxists, capitolists, economists, socialists.... you name it. There are as many ideologies there as people to have thhem. I am certainly no Marxist.

You are wrong. And hugely stupid.

reply to post by SG-17


I'm a strong supporter of OWS and the Occupation in my own area, but if we get a communist system out of this, I will literally take up arms against it.

My reasoning is simple. I've attempted to discuss social issues with marxists within the movement (for the record there are all types of folks here, not just left-wingers) and every time I challenge them on a certain point I am branded "deeply reactionary" or a "right winger" or even "bacon". Marxists are only interested in this movement as a recruiting forum and as practice for their own little fantasy revolution. They have very little support and they are a dead ideology. As such, they aren't co-opting a damned thing.

Everyone who's pushing this OWS is a leftie plot meme needs to step outside their ideological/political box, take a good look around and have a bit of a ponder. Personally I think you're all scared - scared because you can't pigeonhole the Occupy movement and you'd rather stick with getting butt reamed by the banksters or talking about the commie threat and gulags because it's familiar and "safe". You've got Stockholme Syndrome.

Here's the thing about the Occupy movement... it's not a protest as such. Sure, there's things that they are protesting but the real value in the movement is that it's a no-holds-barred live discussion forum where people of all creeds debate issues and work together to look for possible solutions, but of course you don't see that on the TeeVee because it goes against the media's pre-conceived ideas of the movement.

Deny ignorance folks - go check out your local Occupation with an open mind. Don't rely on what me or anyone else says about it. Seriously. Unless you've been there and seen it with your own two eyes you simply do not have all the facts.

Originally posted by Shamatt
reply to post by crmanager

 

I just spent 3 days occupying my ciity. I spoke to Marxists, capitolists, economists, socialists.... you name it. There are as many ideologies there as people to have thhem. I am certainly no Marxist.

You are wrong. And hugely stupid.

I am sorry for being "hugely stupid."

The OWS movement is a Marxist organized and run event meant to force a reorganization of the West in General and America specifically. That can not be denied. No matter how many times posters here say "So what? Move along here...nothing to see" this is a very basic conversation...Marxism vs. Capitalism.

I love how the idea of "If you are not for OWS Marxist ideas then you are for the status quo." Nothing could be further from the truth.

I and others like me who disagree with OWS and Marxism definitely want change. We would like adherance to basic Constitutional principals of individual rights...we believe that COLLECTIVISM in any form is wrong and verging on evil. Look at China where due to "What is best for the people is a single child policy" millions are killed due to collectivism. Look at Cambodia, look at Woodrow Wilson who believed that 'Due to collectivism we believe that people who disagree with the war will be jailed." Over 400,000 AMERICANS were imprisoned for simply speaking out agianst the war.

THIS GOVERNMENT, this WHITE HOUSE has put up a squealer site for AMericans to rat out others putting out lies...all for the collective good.

You must allow all women to have abortions at any time and for any reason but for the collective good MY MONEY is all of our money. MY LABOR is all of our labor.

Mt friends, OWS has a perfect right to speak out against what they see are injustice. But TEA PARTY participants are FACSIST/ RIGHT WING/NAZI HATE MONGERS who must be silenced. The PRESIDENT called these people ENEMIES who must be punished. An AMERICAN PRESIDENT said this of fellow AMERICANS.

My idea is honest conversation. If you are a MARXIST state it loud and proud. I am Capitalist and I say it happily. Let the best idea win. I believe that Capitalism will win because MARXISM will ALWAYS fail. You will run out of OTHER PEOPLES money to redistribute.

reply to post by mastahunta


I DO NOT WATCH THE MEDIA.

Let's get that clear right now. Can't remember the last time I laid eyes on the main stream media let alone believed anything they said. My information comes from my own research and talking to people within the movement. I have seen people refused the mic at some of these protests, and I have seen, that regardless of how many sides are represented, the socialist side is the one in control.

reply to post by AzureSky


Biased observations? I was originally in support of the movement. I went to my local movement days before it began to scope out exactly what was going on and I watched as it evolved into socialist bull#. The proof is in the pudding my friend. Occupy Philadelphia's scheduling of events consists of Marxist and Socialist education seminars day in and day out. They say they are following suit with OWS in New York. This is reality.

There is a difference between something that makes "unhappy people happier" and socialism. In socialism, sure, some people are made happy - the welfare recipients - the people who are too lazy and want handouts, while the people who work for everything they have are made unhappy, and the wealthy are completely disregarded just because they made more than someone. To believe in a system is ridiculous and completely against all American ideals.

Change is coming, no doubt, but I'm not the only person defending capitalism, the free market, and individual liberties. There will be plenty of other armed people right next to me when the time comes to put up or shut up.






Marxism, Socialism, Communism - all of it denotes that there is no way to get ahead. No matter how much harder you work then someone, you will always be the same. This is a system which is not natural, and spits on individuality to its very core. This is a system that I will never support, will never be a part of, and will fight to my death to stop it from taking over the United States. There are MANY who will follow in that stead, so do not think that this change will come without some kind of hellish fight, and a whole lot of bloodshed.

Let's get one damn thing clear right here right now,

We want nothing to do with conservatism, librealism, marxism, communism or any other crappy ism you can imagine or conceive of all they are all corrupt.