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Originally posted by Cosmic911
Gordon Cooper, Edgar Mitchell, and Buzz Adrin have publically stated their belief that we have been visited by extraterrestrial entities. These are highly decorated American heroes, M.I.T. Graduates, and experienced combat pilots. What are we to believe? I tend to believe them as credible witnesses. Did they really see E.T. UFOs? Or did they see secret advanced aircraft?
I pose this question to forum members...what are your thoughts on this subject.
Originally posted by expat2368
I am constantly amazed that people refuse to believe even our own astronauts.
Everyone is screaming for "disclosure", what do they want? The Astronauts come out and openly state they have seen ET craft and say we are being visited and it is met with disbelief. Millions spent to train those guys, professionals who have been into space and even to the Moon.. and they are not believed.
It just is beyond comprehension.
Originally posted by Human_Alien
Originally posted by expat2368
I am constantly amazed that people refuse to believe even our own astronauts.
Everyone is screaming for "disclosure", what do they want? The Astronauts come out and openly state they have seen ET craft and say we are being visited and it is met with disbelief. Millions spent to train those guys, professionals who have been into space and even to the Moon.. and they are not believed.
It just is beyond comprehension.
But what CONSTANTLY happens is....there is a smear-committee that goes after these people in the media.
Story Musgrave is eccentric.
Edgar Mitchell is loopy.
Gordon Cooper was senile.
It's fascinating. The people on this planet tend to forget what people actually say as long as they constantly have the media thinking for them!
UFO sightings are now so common the military doesn't have time to worry about them. . . . When a UFO appears, they simply ignore it. Unconventional targets are ignored because apparently we are only interested in the Russian targets, possible enemy targets. Something that hovers in the air then shoots off at 5,000 miles per hour doesn't interest us because it can't be the enemy.
UFOs are picked up by ground and air radar, and they have been photographed by gun cameras all along. There are so many UFOs in the sky that the Air Force has had to employ special radar networks to screen them out.
--Lee Katchen, NASA atmospheric physicist, June 7, 1968
Mission control, we have a UFO pacing our position; request instructions.
--Astronaut Cady Coleman, NASA astronaut (transmission during Shuttle mission STS-73)
In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!
--Charles J. Camarda, Ph.D., NASA astronaut
At no time when the astronauts were in space were they alone. There was a constant surveillance by UFOs.
--Scott Carpenter, NASA astronaut
We all know that UFOs are real. All we need to ask is where do they come from, and what do they want?
--Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 astronaut
I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high.
As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, gray and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk.
About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me. And there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45-degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared.
--Donald Slayton, (later Mercury astronaut), 1951
Originally posted by sigung86
Guys... I hope you'll forgive me, and not think me loopy, senile, or the end product of a brainwashing session. I am as curious as any of you about life "out there". The main problem I have with it is that now it has become so day to day, and mis-directed that very few people pay attention anymore.
If there was a government conspiracy out there, putting sessions on TV like "Ancient Aliens" and letting these yahoos make so much smoke about things they have no clue about, is one easy way to do it. I mean... Really... As far as they're concerned, virtually everything is alien in origin, and humanity gets no credit for even being able to wipe their butts.
The other way is to put it out there in such a way that it becomes everyday knowledge... Again, we have Mitchell, Aldrin, etc. out there saying, "Yes! We Have!" And you guys are sitting around saying that you won't believe them unless they... Whatever your method of proving their honesty and so on is, requires. One of them is depressed, another loopy, probably at least one is an alcoholic. The unfortunate thing is that these issues are caused by other etiologies, as well as the Extra-Terrestrials... And I, not being an expert, have never seen any evidence that the astronauts are brainwashed.
I'm not trying to get folks angered with me, but I'd like to see a little more "adult" and serious discussion... Stuff that doesn't come off sounding like a 1990's X-Files dialogue. As I said, I hope you will forgive me for such an indirect incursion, when I can't even be anymore specific than that. I guess I'll know it when I see it? LOL!
Thanks for putting up with me.
Originally posted by JimOberg
Can anyone point to any genuine investigations of the stories from Gordon Cooper, for example, comparing his accounts to those of other witnesses and documents? Or is the consensus that all his stories are automatically authentic without need for verification or investigation? Just asking.
Gordon Cooper was caught lying, and he backed off of his story about Edwards but that never gets circulated as much as his original story where he lied:
Originally posted by Cosmic911
Gordon Cooper, Edgar Mitchell, and Buzz Adrin have publically stated their belief that we have been visited by extraterrestrial entities. I pose this question to forum members...what are your thoughts on this subject.
As to the accuracy of the rest of Cooper's recollection of the "Edwards UFO", eyewitness Gettys had this to say in 1982: "I am amazed that Gordon Cooper said the object landed -- as far as I know, he never even saw it.... His story sounds kind of funny to me."
That's got to be one of the biggest legends in UFOlogy. For some reason Cooper's admission he never saw anything never get's circulated as widely as his story about what he supposedly saw and supposedly filmed, but didn't.
... Cooper ...evidently had same misgivings about the case. In 1978, in his second interview with Spiegel (this time for OMNI), he evaded any discussion of the Edwards case by saying, "I'd just as soon not get into the Edwards incident. I didn't get to see anything personally, it was all second hand evidence really." That it was, and Cooper's caution was commendable -- if perhaps a bit tardy....
it is clear that the "Cooper UFO legend" is quite inaccurate here. No coverup or information loss was involved. The "UFO" never landed. Cooper had nothing to do with the incident (he was not connected with the film crew in any official capacity, and they had never heard of him)
Musgrave -- who logged 25 million miles during six space shuttle missions and who developed the spacesuit that was used by shuttle astronauts for space walks -- says that, despite dozens of military eyewitnesses, photos, films and corroborating radar reports, he's still not convinced.
"Some astronauts have been quoted as saying they think they're [aliens] out there -- I have seen their evidence, and for me, it's not evidence," he said. "Other astronauts were not able to provide me with any empirical evidence, either."
Musgrave is the keynote speaker at the MUFON event. During his many years with NASA, he says he actually looked for evidence of a UFO conspiracy from within the space agency and the government.
"I've been as deep in the military as you can go. I was Marine Corps and Air Force and spent all this time with the government -- I was on two classified department of defense missions, which got me as deep in the bowels of the military and the intelligence community as you can go," he insisted.
"I found no conspiracy in terms of covering up information about extraterrestrial visits. I simply didn't find it!"
Originally posted by Human_Alien
If this is what you mean and meant, let me ask you, what advantage would Cooper have to make up these stories? And since when would a qualified astronauts need a witness to verify his word?
I don't get it.
But more so, I don't understand what's it to you (all the time) unless you're on NASA payroll. Are you?
Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by Arbitrageur
So another words, a qualified, competent, sane and educated astronaut has the motive to lie???
Well guess what then? You don't get to pick and choose whose lying because as far as I can tell, one bad apple (according to you) just spoiled the whole entire barrel including all the astronauts who claim to see, nothing! They are all capable of lying.
You seem to have problems with reading comprehension. I said Cooper lied. I didn't accuse any other astronauts of lying.
Originally posted by Human_Alien
So another words, a qualified, competent, sane and educated astronaut has the motive to lie???
Well guess what then? You don't get to pick and choose whose lying because as far as I can tell, one bad apple (according to you) just spoiled the whole entire barrel including all the astronauts who claim to see, nothing! They are all capable of lying.