Of course, and add to this pilots, radar staff, police officers, the list goes on. Though I tend to support mostly, astonauts and grass roots people. The cia backgrounds of a few, tend to put me off. The military and kabbala backgrounds of others do as well.

Not only do I believe that these men (as well as the current astronauts serving on the ISS and Space Shuttle missions) see and have seen ET craft on a fairly regular basis, I also believe that the men who were on the Moon missions saw structures and artifacts there that we are not being told about.....

Originally posted by Cosmic911
Gordon Cooper, Edgar Mitchell, and Buzz Adrin have publically stated their belief that we have been visited by extraterrestrial entities. These are highly decorated American heroes, M.I.T. Graduates, and experienced combat pilots. What are we to believe? I tend to believe them as credible witnesses. Did they really see E.T. UFOs? Or did they see secret advanced aircraft?

I pose this question to forum members...what are your thoughts on this subject.

Buzz Aldrin has publicly denied any dealing with alien life. In fact he does not believe in UFOs (that we see). He sorta says 'life has to exist outside our planet' but he adamantly denies we know about this.

There is something is amiss with that man. I think the brainwashing did some psychological damage. He became an alcoholic which I s'pose, doesn't mean much except, he lost his will-power.

It's been stated that many astronauts have returned from their mission, depressed. I wonder what causes that? (see: Brainwashing?)

Originally posted by expat2368
I am constantly amazed that people refuse to believe even our own astronauts.

Everyone is screaming for "disclosure", what do they want? The Astronauts come out and openly state they have seen ET craft and say we are being visited and it is met with disbelief. Millions spent to train those guys, professionals who have been into space and even to the Moon.. and they are not believed.

It just is beyond comprehension.

But what CONSTANTLY happens is....there is a smear-committee that goes after these people in the media.

Story Musgrave is eccentric.
Edgar Mitchell is loopy.
Gordon Cooper was senile.

It's fascinating. The people on this planet tend to forget what people actually say as long as they constantly have the media thinking for them!

Originally posted by Human_Alien

Originally posted by expat2368
I am constantly amazed that people refuse to believe even our own astronauts.

Everyone is screaming for "disclosure", what do they want? The Astronauts come out and openly state they have seen ET craft and say we are being visited and it is met with disbelief. Millions spent to train those guys, professionals who have been into space and even to the Moon.. and they are not believed.

It just is beyond comprehension.

But what CONSTANTLY happens is....there is a smear-committee that goes after these people in the media.

Story Musgrave is eccentric.
Edgar Mitchell is loopy.
Gordon Cooper was senile.

It's fascinating. The people on this planet tend to forget what people actually say as long as they constantly have the media thinking for them!

I think those whose job entails disinformation are very good at what they do!

Guys... I hope you'll forgive me, and not think me loopy, senile, or the end product of a brainwashing session. I am as curious as any of you about life "out there". The main problem I have with it is that now it has become so day to day, and mis-directed that very few people pay attention anymore.

If there was a government conspiracy out there, putting sessions on TV like "Ancient Aliens" and letting these yahoos make so much smoke about things they have no clue about, is one easy way to do it. I mean... Really... As far as they're concerned, virtually everything is alien in origin, and humanity gets no credit for even being able to wipe their butts.

The other way is to put it out there in such a way that it becomes everyday knowledge... Again, we have Mitchell, Aldrin, etc. out there saying, "Yes! We Have!" And you guys are sitting around saying that you won't believe them unless they... Whatever your method of proving their honesty and so on is, requires. One of them is depressed, another loopy, probably at least one is an alcoholic. The unfortunate thing is that these issues are caused by other etiologies, as well as the Extra-Terrestrials... And I, not being an expert, have never seen any evidence that the astronauts are brainwashed.

I'm not trying to get folks angered with me, but I'd like to see a little more "adult" and serious discussion... Stuff that doesn't come off sounding like a 1990's X-Files dialogue. As I said, I hope you will forgive me for such an indirect incursion, when I can't even be anymore specific than that. I guess I'll know it when I see it? LOL!

Thanks for putting up with me.

UFO sightings are now so common the military doesn't have time to worry about them. . . . When a UFO appears, they simply ignore it. Unconventional targets are ignored because apparently we are only interested in the Russian targets, possible enemy targets. Something that hovers in the air then shoots off at 5,000 miles per hour doesn't interest us because it can't be the enemy.
UFOs are picked up by ground and air radar, and they have been photographed by gun cameras all along. There are so many UFOs in the sky that the Air Force has had to employ special radar networks to screen them out.
--Lee Katchen, NASA atmospheric physicist, June 7, 1968


Mission control, we have a UFO pacing our position; request instructions.
--Astronaut Cady Coleman, NASA astronaut (transmission during Shuttle mission STS-73)


In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!
--Charles J. Camarda, Ph.D., NASA astronaut


At no time when the astronauts were in space were they alone. There was a constant surveillance by UFOs.
--Scott Carpenter, NASA astronaut


We all know that UFOs are real. All we need to ask is where do they come from, and what do they want?
--Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 astronaut


I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high.
As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, gray and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk.
About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me. And there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45-degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared.
--Donald Slayton, (later Mercury astronaut), 1951

It's said, Jim.

Originally posted by sigung86
Guys... I hope you'll forgive me, and not think me loopy, senile, or the end product of a brainwashing session. I am as curious as any of you about life "out there". The main problem I have with it is that now it has become so day to day, and mis-directed that very few people pay attention anymore.

If there was a government conspiracy out there, putting sessions on TV like "Ancient Aliens" and letting these yahoos make so much smoke about things they have no clue about, is one easy way to do it. I mean... Really... As far as they're concerned, virtually everything is alien in origin, and humanity gets no credit for even being able to wipe their butts.

The other way is to put it out there in such a way that it becomes everyday knowledge... Again, we have Mitchell, Aldrin, etc. out there saying, "Yes! We Have!" And you guys are sitting around saying that you won't believe them unless they... Whatever your method of proving their honesty and so on is, requires. One of them is depressed, another loopy, probably at least one is an alcoholic. The unfortunate thing is that these issues are caused by other etiologies, as well as the Extra-Terrestrials... And I, not being an expert, have never seen any evidence that the astronauts are brainwashed.

I'm not trying to get folks angered with me, but I'd like to see a little more "adult" and serious discussion... Stuff that doesn't come off sounding like a 1990's X-Files dialogue. As I said, I hope you will forgive me for such an indirect incursion, when I can't even be anymore specific than that. I guess I'll know it when I see it? LOL!

Thanks for putting up with me.

I think your post was to the point and good but let me ask you something, do you know or do we know what brainwashing even looks like? Do you know or do we know how astronauts are supposed to act?
If we're dealing with the government (and, we are) they will make any James Bond movie look like a cartoon! The government (military, science) is quite capable of 'doing things' that we can't even begin to imagine. So brainwashing? I'd imagine that's kindergarten crap!

I think some of the issue is, this (alien acknowledgment) is so compartmentalized that there's layers and layers of people who are slowly letting the desensitizing began from a very low level. The media. But someone gave the go-ahead to allow this.

Just look how far we've come since 1980! What?....there hasn't been any 'public' UFO sighting that's been endorsed so why is it we're getting more exposure to it? (it's a rhetorical question because i think I know).....because the dam is breaking and the water is seeping out faster and more steady with each passing day.

So we have to conclude that this is an agenda. A plan. It's been devised, Now, I don't understand the 411 of the Elite or how the power structure of the PTB works but it's pretty obvious that something is happening when clearly nothing has happened to make this happen.


And according to Clifford Stone, the cats got to come out of the bag before 2016. Because by then, there will be no more denying this.

And the fact that the Vatican is now on board the alien wagon-train has really got to make ya wonder "WTF is going on here and....why?"

Can anyone point to any genuine investigations of the stories from Gordon Cooper, for example, comparing his accounts to those of other witnesses and documents? Or is the consensus that all his stories are automatically authentic without need for verification or investigation? Just asking.

Originally posted by JimOberg
Can anyone point to any genuine investigations of the stories from Gordon Cooper, for example, comparing his accounts to those of other witnesses and documents? Or is the consensus that all his stories are automatically authentic without need for verification or investigation? Just asking.

What took you so long?


In all due respect, what are you asking? What investigations of what stories? You mean the 'interviews' Cooper's given?? When have interviews turned into 'stories'? Oh I know, when they are about to get debunked.


See folks? This is what I mean.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
If this is what you mean and meant, let me ask you, what advantage would Cooper have to make up these stories? And since when would a qualified astronauts need a witness to verify his word?

So you've swallowed the NASA codswollop about the super-human space heroes and their olympian perfection? Who are you accusing of being a dupe of 'NASA propaganda'? Seems like YOU'RE the brainwashed one.

How about this 'since when' -- anybody making an extraordinary claim must be checked up on, especially those whose stories fit existing belief systems apparently so perfectly.

Can you use the internet to find information about the cost to hundreds of space workers and space community organizations who in the 1980s invested millions of dollars in aerospace industry investment schemes endorsed by Cooper? They all lost all their money.

They, like you, took Cooper's word as the sole source of reliable information. Are you saying they were prudent to have done so?

Cooper claims in his autobiography to have saved the space shuttle program from a lethal design flaw by relaying a telepathic message from apparent space aliens. Would you object to anyone seeking corroborative evidence for this, or do you advocate that your audience believe the story and avoid checking on it?

Just asking.

I don't get it.
But more so, I don't understand what's it to you (all the time) unless you're on NASA payroll. Are you?

Is that your only excuse -- that any evidence that threatens your feel-good belief system must be fabricated by paid liars? Grow up.

Too bad you weren't around to invest your money in the Cooper-promoted bunko schemes. You might have received a costly lesson.

well the only thing we can do is take there word for it! whether you believe or not is up to you.

it seems to me that there just giving what is ordered of them! don't give to much just a nudge and let there imagination go crazy! i could be wrong?

Originally posted by Human_Alien
So another words, a qualified, competent, sane and educated astronaut has the motive to lie???

Well guess what then? You don't get to pick and choose whose lying because as far as I can tell, one bad apple (according to you) just spoiled the whole entire barrel including all the astronauts who claim to see, nothing! They are all capable of lying.

You seem to have problems with reading comprehension. I said Cooper lied. I didn't accuse any other astronauts of lying.

But it is interesting that of the three examples in the OP, the ONLY one who claims to have seen a UFO land, lied about it. I didn't accuse Mitchell of lying, he doesn't have to lie because he doesn't claim he saw anything. And I certainly don't think Aldrin lied. He tells stories in a colorful way perhaps, but it's transparent that's what he's doing, so he's not lying. (I'm thinking of his comment about some people wondering who put the monolith on Mars' moon).

Believe noone and nothing. They all lie.