Harvard Cancer Expert: Steve Jobs Probably Doomed Himself With Alternative Medicine, page 3

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reply posted on 17-10-2011 @ 11:38 PM by RightWingAvenger

I'll believe every word the Harvard expert has to say if he takes the same doses that Jobs should have taken and lives 10 years...Otherwise I'm not changing my point of view. Jobs died with dignity and did what he thought he should. At least with his own personal wealth he had some medical freedoms.

Children today are not so lucky with the chemo mafia.

reply posted on 18-10-2011 @ 06:08 AM by MapMistress

Originally posted by Domo1

... a Harvard Medical School researcher and faculty member says...." Ramzi Amri wrote in an extraordinarily detailed post to Quora, an online Q&A forum popular among Silicon Valley executives.

It appears that with early detection ( which Jobs seems to have had ) and proper medical attention he could have had a much better chance of surviving. Now I don't begrudge the man if he did indeed opt for natural remedies, that's his choice, I just wonder if he would have changed his mind if he could have. I know many on this site are quick to defend natural medicine, bu I think it's very important to go to a real doctor, and follow that real medical advice too.

Ramzi Amri may be from Harvard but that doesn't always mean intelligence. He should have simply googled the hundreds of articles on Steve Jobs and the CONVENTIONAL medical treatments that he underwent.

Steve Jobs did go through chemotherapy and radiation treatment. Jobs also had a liver transplant. Had this Ramzi Amri guy simply checked his facts, he would have known that. The guy tries to make it sound like Jobs refused all conventional treatments which isn't the case at all.

How Steve Jobs Got Sick

I spent a few hours googling all the conventional medical treatments that Steve Jobs underwent. So he definitely tried them all. Here's a site saying the opposite.

Steve Jobs dead at 56, his life ended prematurely by chemotherapy and radiotherapy for cancer

Steve Jobs reportedly underwent both. His chemotherapy treatments at the Standard Cancer Center are now well known (www.marksmarketanalysis.com...), and his secret radiotherapy treatments in Switzerland have now been made public by former Apple executive Jerry York.

-snip-

Fortune Magazine also repeats another fact about Steve Jobs that rarely appears in the press: Namely, that Steve Jobs underwent a secret liver transplant which raised eyebrows among many who wondered why a member of the wealthy business elite could receive a liver transplant essentially on demand while everybody else had to wait on a long transplant list (articles.cnn.com...).

So the Harvard doctor --ahem-- if you call it (more like a classroom researcher out of practice who should've googled some articles if teaching and preaching)...he's just plain wrong about Steve Jobs use of conventional medicine.

reply posted on 18-10-2011 @ 08:08 AM by ThoughtForms

reply to post by Domo1

You have no idea what you're talking about therefore your opinions are invalid. Watch 'run from the cure'.

Peace,
-TF

reply posted on 18-10-2011 @ 08:37 AM by LucidDreamer85

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by CodyOutlaw

I knew a lady once who had cancer. Chemo saved her life. Its hard as hell to get through but I think it helps more than leaches personally.

We need to invest in pure healing though.

Healing by first destroying is not healthy nor viable for our future as humans.

We are wasting billions in the wrong areas.

Chemo helps some. kills just as many as it helps though. That stat could be better.

reply posted on 18-10-2011 @ 08:40 AM by LucidDreamer85

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by wiredamerican

Really? Do you take medicine when sick? Is surgery OK? I never understand people who are so opposed to modern medicine. Do you take anything?

Surgery and modern medicine are awesome.

Just not so much chemo.

Chemo is like windows 95......we should but up past windows 7 by now when it comes to medicine and we just are not even close.

reply posted on 18-10-2011 @ 09:53 AM by justsaying

reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye

The body will adjust it's pH regardless of whether a person consumes alkaline or acidic foods, because the body compensates for imbalances. So if one consumes an alkaline diet, the pH goes up, respiratory imbalances occur and the kidneys will produce more bicarbonate to bring the pH down. Cancer likes sugar and thrives in glucose, so a diet high in proteins and fats will do more to help fight cancer (if already diagnosed) than alkaline foods. If one doesn't have cancer, a diet high in vegetables and fruits and lean proteins is the best diet to prevent cancer.

reply posted on 18-10-2011 @ 10:07 AM by justsaying

I thought Jobs died from pancreatic cancer? This type of cancer is very deadly, because the symptoms take years (as many as 10) to manifest and by the time one goes to the doctor to report how they are feeling and tests are run, its usually too late. About 85% of those diagnosed with pancreatic cancer lose their lives. And to add that the pancreas and liver must co -exist together in harmony, it would be probable that a liver transplant would be needed. I don't want to open a can of worms, but why wouldn't someone like Steve Jobs with such a brilliant mind be a top candidate and a priority to receive a transplant? The contributions he has given to our society are unmatched. Well thats my opinion, I know others will disagree and I won't debate the subject.

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reply posted on 18-10-2011 @ 10:32 PM by Buford2

reply to post by syrinx high priest

You are so correct. The gig is almost up for these legal drug dealers. They will either evolve into new ways of healing or they will be brushed aside. Ignorant people continue to swallow a handful of pills with an arms list of side effects. People are sick because of the poison they are brainwashed into taking. The majority of pills are life long. I know very little people that were able to come off the poison once their bodies got used to it. The people on the pills are on a rollarcoaster with side effects and more trips to the doctor just so they can write more poison.

Peace to all

reply posted on 18-10-2011 @ 10:56 PM by RuneSpider

Jobs got the best treatment available and lived for at least seven years with a a cancer that usually has a 10 year life expectancy.
Saw this echoed by Brian Dunning who was soundly smacked for spreading such nonsense.

As far as it goes I've known a number of people who survived cancer successfully through chemo therapy, others who got ill or died while pursuing alternative methods.
What matters isn't personal anecdotes, but what actual statistics show.

reply posted on 22-10-2011 @ 11:37 PM by hahahonyou

reply to post by Domo1

So what's your point? He was diagnosed in 2003 and lived till 2011. He technically survived cancer. Even with surgery, in this case, a whipple, mortality rates are pretty low for 5 yr survival rate, somewhere around <40%. A whipple in and of itself doesn't cure cancer.

And do you even know what whipple is? pancreaticoduodenectomy, which is generally the removal of the gallbladder, common bile duct, part of the duodenum, and the head of the pancreas. You don't just walk in, have a whipple, and then walk out smiling like the enzyte guy. There are huge long-lasting complications from it.

This whole steve jobs issue is an attack on alternative health care. codex alimentarius anyone?

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 11:47 AM by MarkJS

reply to post by IamCorrect

Then there is the other branch of what might be called alternative, preventative, or complementary medicine.... the one based on cumulative scientific evidence published in peer-reviewed medical journals. Just as an example, I believe green tea extract, tocotrienols, and ashwagandha have all shown significant promise as potential complementary treatments for pancreatic cancer, all of these typically having no significant side effects. I specifically recall reading a study promoting tocotrienols and how they would help to boost the effectivieness of chemotherapy for pancreatic cancer patients. However, since tocotrienols can't be patented, they won't be going through the large-scale studies and getting FDA approval anytime soon, so something that might help save hundreds or thousands more patients will never even be known about by patients or doctors.

Firstly... I agree with this (but don't understand the Candida snake-oil comment (in quoted post)).

Continuing... The problem as I see it is that Big Pharma has limited effectiveness, but exists solely as the entity: Big Pharma. They, as far as I can tell, are not really interested in curing the Joe on the street, but rather, give the impression that they look to their own (and their shareholders) profits first. Greed is an ugly thing. With all of their billions, and if they really Wanted to Cure Cancer... my suggestion is that they should do research and invest in so-called 'alternative' cures... The only reason that these are Alternative- is because Big Pharma is not really ready or willing to explore All possible methods of treatment.... only the ones that bring them profit. So what if the cures/medicines are not patentable? Minor technicality... or it should be.

And a little story: My wife and I went to dinner at an Oncologist's house. The couple was very sweet. It was definitely a treat. Anyway, during the dinner, I asked the Oncologist what their opinion was about Alternative treatments. The response was that they see patients who tried Alternative treatments, with bad results, and then come to them in a very bad state. Adding that "if they would have come to us first, they would have gotten the proper care that they needed". That was the extent of conversation of that subject. A couple of days later, I realized what was said.... We all know not all Alternative treatments work as expected. This doctor could write a book about what Alternative treatments don't work.... but what they don't know, and can't help with, is a list/compilation of all the Alternative treatments that Work. The people that used good Alternative treatments, and have had cures for their cancers... would naturally not be seeing any kind of Oncologist at all. Why would they?

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reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 12:56 PM by IamCorrect

Originally posted by MarkJS

The only reason that these are Alternative- is because Big Pharma is not really ready or willing to explore All possible methods of treatment.... only the ones that bring them profit. So what if the cures/medicines are not patentable? Minor technicality... or it should be.

They're corporations. They exist to make profit. They'll only show interest in natural substances for purposes of furthering their own research to invent a patentable, man-made drug with a laundry list of potentially serious side effects that the natural substances usually don't have. They're doing that now. Natural substances are showing promise in the field of neurology in particular. They know about the small human trials that have shown alpha lipoic acid to dramatically slow Alzheimer's. (Had one of their drugs shown this potential, it would have been marketed for weeks in the news). They know about the herbal extract of ashwagandha that's shown the ability to halt progression of certain degenerative neurological disorders and even reconstruct damaged neural networks in lab animals. Their biochemists will read the research, evaluate the likely biochemical mechanisms responsible for the effect, and then attempt to invent a new synthetic drug with the same effect with nasty side effects (lipoic acid and ashwagandha tend to not have significant side effects).

reply posted on 29-10-2011 @ 01:27 PM by IamCorrect

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Does anyone think of this experts angle in all this? He is a product of Big Pharma. He has an axe to grind with anything that hurts his profession. The facts are that more people are helped by alternative medicine every day safely without dangerous side effects while millions suffer side effects and even new disease caused by doctor prescribed pharmaceuticals. Mainstream Doctors don't like this at all and the good ones admit it and feel shame for their profession and try to help people the right way naturally. . Traditionally Medicine should only be given After all natural avenues of healing have been tried. That is what Doctors are taught. Sadly most doctors do not practice this because of money and greed - they want to fill prescriptions.

I don't think it's primarily the fault of the physicians themselves. They can lose their license or be sued for medical malpractice if they don't use only treatments and drugs that are FDA-approved. A tiny percentage of MD's/DO's have an integrated practice, and even after taking every legal precaution there's still risk for them. Most physicians also do not regularly visit PubMed or read all the medical journals pertaining to their field. The studies are intended primarily for researchers/scientists and not practitioners.

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