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reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 09:45 AM by smallpeeps

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“If there comes a time when [Occupy Wall Street] wants to set up tents, we will certainly defend their constitutional right to do so,” Levine told a reporter with Thew New York Law Journal. “It remains our belief that tents are a form of free speech.”


I had posted above, how Occupy York lawyer Levine muses about if the Constitution of the United States contains a right to camp. I explained (without reply) that there are two COTUSes, one pre war and one post war. Neither mention camping.

However, since the backers of the COTUS were all rich dudes who opposed the campers of their time (indians and poor people and slaves) then I think it's folly to look into the COTUS for such a right. But what I explained is that the "bill of rights" is actually just a group of amendments. The first ten amendments of the COTUS are delineated rights, some of which apply to actual human beings, and some which apply to persons with titles, such as legislators.

I have never seen a homeless legislator. Have you?

Well anyway, this park employee (not a member of government, and yet still not not worth listening to) says clearly that there is no right to camp. You'd need an amendment. A camping amendment. Well she doesn't add that part, I'm adding that to her words. She is essentially saying:

"They don't have a right to camp, [but if they could amend the COTUS fast enough to have a camping amendment as a right to shelter, then they could camp legally.]"*

* = Italics mine


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Officers would be on site to monitor the situation and try to get protesters to comply, Carol Johnson, a Park Service spokeswoman, told msnbc.com on Friday. Compliance entails removing all camping materials and leaving one side of all temporary structures open.

“People can be there 24 hours a day, but they can’t live there, they can’t sleep there,” she said.

“We still do back the First Amendment, and it is their right. It is not their right to camp. And ... we would, you know, support them if they came into compliance and they had a vigil and they had tents that were there for logistical or symbolic purposes,” she added. "They can occupy as a vigil but not camping."
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reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 10:01 AM by smallpeeps
Further question:

1: Obama immediately came on TV after Fukishima and told everyone in the nation and the world, to go to sleep. Nothing to see here. He didn't waste one breath talking about radiation, or cancer. Not one.

2: We've had a year to bake in the heat of Fukishima, and the only people with any cajones on this rock, are the women who are camping in front of Tepco offices, whom I mentioned on the last page. These women, along with such true heroes as "Breadhelmet Guy", and "Granny Getting Beat With Sticks", and "Blue Bra Girl", are the heroes of our time. Not one leader in power, not one authority or municipal employee, can compare themselves with these true heroes of our day.

3: Whereas 1 and 2 are true beyond debate (feel free to reply), then there is only one conclusion, and that is that there will be no shelter, for anyone, at all.

That is their goal, these leaders. They will apply non-shelter and non-work, to the little people. They will not employ people, they will not pay taxes while the people are forced to pay more taxes. The people in charge at TEPCO are the same people in charge in DC and York (New) are the same people who are in charge in London and York (Old) are the same people in charge of Rome and the State of Vaticanism aka "The Holy See" and their banker Rothschild Israel. Also, who was it that brought nuclear tech to the middle east? And who is psychotically hiding nuclear weapons? And why does GE get to manufacture such crap reactors which melt down --and yet they still manage to pay ZERO TAXES in 2011? How does that happen? I though GE was supposed to bring good things to life, not put good things to death.

In closing: Once Obama told everyone Fukishima was nothing to worry about, imo that moment created an absolute a priori right for every American to dig a frikking bomb shelter or take shelter under the Earth. Yes, because in that moment he is confessing that he and his peers have shelters. It is complete and utter crap they they deny the people camping at the end of above-ground era of living anyway.

Not only do Americans have an a priori right to camp since our Executives and leaders don't care about us, but we also have a god given right to dig into the ground and shelter ourselves from deathly radioactive particulates raining down on us for 100 years due to their evil acts.

Therefore, any "Right to Shelter" amendment which you draft henceforth, it should include the right to shelter underground as well as in tents. I say not only should we support the Fukishima grannies and moms that are camping, but we should all chip in and dig them a nice rad shelter as well, right there in the street in front of TEPCOs offices, we need to shelter them under at least a few inches of concrete if their protest is to last. Victims of TEPCO will die due to cold and famine, but even with all the future death, TEPCO and the US have big plans for the future, I'm sure. Why not start the future off on the right foot? A peaceful step based on the right of people to shelter?

That's all I'm saying observe basic truths and stick to basic solutions.


reply posted on 30-1-2012 @ 10:45 AM by smallpeeps
Topical here, breaking news:

Rumor has it that this camper may have been involved in a conspiracy with the Fukishima grannies and moms who are also camping at this time.

Until we hear the deposition of these electricity-applying employees in uniforms, we won't know for sure.

Meanwhile the RICO laws don't cover world leaders who operate crime organizations. Sadly most tents do not have the space for legal reference library. Which is why it is key to assert your right to dig a shelter.

The DC park service should give shovels, not tazers. These park employees should dig bunkers with earth and dig rad shelters.



Don't forget: You can easily build a below-ground rad shelter with legal library. Here are the steps:

1: Get a few shovels and friends. Dig a trench around 4 feet wide.

2: Get some 4x4 timbers at 6 ft lengths. Lie these across the trench leaving a foot between beams.

3: 4x6ft plywood boards then nailed to the 4x4s will finish the wood roof. Cover it with a foot of tamped earth.

4: Since fallout lasts 100 years, you'll need to cover the roof-dirt from water, use a big tarp so water slopes away.

5: Once inside, get your 12volt battery and inverter working. 110AC will be the result.

6: Connect your inkjet printer and laptop with sufficient IP wireless access to PACER court filings.

7: Begin printing your law library. Well, actually not law but "codes, statues, and regulations".

...By following the basic steps above, Americans can prepare themselves to fight this battle. You will need shelter, and tents don't shelter you from the rads which our leaders have caused. You will need a law library and that makes an underground shelter even more helpful since tents don't have bookshelves but trenches and dugouts are easily given a nice bookshelf for your law library.

Good luck to all of us, never forget the lessons of "Breadhelmet Guy" who teaches us that if you feel defenseless, that's up to you, because even bread strapped to your head, can give you the courage of a thousand women. Let February be hertofore known as "The Month of Shelter" since it's also Black History Month, I think shelter and black history are key. Let's see an America where all radiation shelter are non-segregated, because only then can the multi-racial family of poor folks assemble under ground to print their law libraries and try to fight back in court.

Seriously, a trench is cheap. Dirt protects you from General Electric and their aging and now apologetic engineers. Oh, and see if you can keep the local taxman from inspecting your hole. I heard the local municipalities are looking at subcontracting hole inspection to the TSA. Haha, get it? Hole inspection?



reply posted on 2-2-2012 @ 09:48 AM by smallpeeps
Originally posted by Apollumi
So, do you think the Oakland folks will eventually arm themselves and do some tit for tat?


No, that'd be stupid. Tit for tat is impossible because the protestors can never have the power and authority which the hired/pensioned/uniformed enforcers do.

Most of these campers and protestors and folks seeking shelter are not going to be fooled by the violent twats as what showed up in Seattle at the WTO protests. We all saw the black-hooded thug-tots who infiltrated the crowd and and started smashing windows. Those are subtle tactics of those who want to wreck the situation. People are wise to that and I am sure any violence seeking idiots will be isolated and shamed.

Anyway, as to an update on the Fukishima grannies --we don't got one! It's not important to the world, and so therfore, not mentioned. Sad isn't it? Earth I mean? What a jacked up planet this is.

Oh well anyway, Hawaii will be getting radioactive Fuki-debris for a long time so they have every right to support the Fukishima grannies in their struggle.

Campers worldwide, unite and rally for your right to dig radiation shelters!

Every human being has a right to dig a hole and cover it with dirt and live in it so as to avoid dangerous radioactive particulates! That is a god given right which the constitution could not have covered as those men of that time were like children compared to us. They had not radiation or DNA researching Satanic corporations like Monsanto, therefore it is up to us to defend basic rights in the face of sheer evil!

Camping and digging rad shelters are basic rights!


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Updated: Feb 02, 2012 9:10 AM EST

MARCHING ORDERS FOR OCCUPY HONOLULU PROTESTORS

Developing this morning, This will be the last day for Occupy Honolulu protestors at Thomas Square. The city will move in this morning to move out the campers. Warnings went out to the group yesterday that they had to clear out or else their belongings would be confiscated under the new stored property law. Protestors have threatened to move to Honolulu Hale or even outside the homes of some Council members. Ramsay Wharton will report live from Thomas Square to find out what their next move is.



reply posted on 2-2-2012 @ 03:36 PM by smallpeeps
Ah yes well it seems perhaps lawyers and judges (jurists) are using the courts for their jollies, while the rest of the courts are the types that don't laugh.

Court is never funny, when the Judge is the Jester. That's never funny.

Let that judge descend unto the lowest station in life, and then sit in the back of the courtroom. Only thereby can he know the life of the jester.

But on the bench, and in the pleadings and judgements, there is no humor.

Law is a weapon, and the jury in the end, rules all courts and employs all courts. Do not be misguided when judges act like Jesters because jesters are poor, they don't get to laugh all the way to the bank, they just laugh and remain poor. Very different from the judge.


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"Such news of an amicable settlement (has) made this Court happier than a tick on a fat dog because it is otherwise busier than a one legged cat in a sand box and, quite frankly would have rather jumped naked off a twelve foot step ladder into a five gallon bucket of porcupines than have presided over a two week trial of the herein dispute, a trial which, no doubt would have made the jury more confused than a hungry baby in a topless bar and made the parties and their attorneys madder than mosquitoes in a mannequin factory," Sheehan wrote.

(In a footnote, he added that the court used the term "amicable" loosely.)

While the quirky order, posted first on the Legal Antics blog, doesn't quite rise to the level of say, the Supreme Court's Dukes v. Wal-Mart decision, it quickly made the rounds in legal publications and recently caught the eye of CBS News and the Wall Street Journal.

Sheehan said he was taken aback by the volume of calls regarding Kissel v. Schwartz & Maines & Ruby Co et al. In the week since Sheehan distributed the ruling to the attorneys, his office had been contacted by news outlets in Los Angeles, Houston, Chicago and New York, he said.

"It's a sad comment on the legal profession," Sheehan said. "A judge puts a little humor in the judicial opinion, and it goes viral."


I give Judge Martin Sheehan credit, he is funny.

I will nominate him to sit for the Jester Bar. It's an organization of jesters who meets in South Boston at the pub of fame. You know which one I mean. If you want to join the Jester club, you need not even leave your job as a judge. You can keep doing that job, and still work for us.

But remember the rules of jester club:

1: Do not talk about jester club.
2: See the first rule
3: Pleadings will go on as long as they have to.
4: If someone summarily submits, the jesting is over.
5: No shoes except funny ones
6: Seltzer and eye gouging not permitted


reply posted on 2-2-2012 @ 06:14 PM by smallpeeps
Originally posted by usernameconspiracy
Here we go.

There are two types pf people involved with Occupy. The first is angry about the many bailouts. I think they have a point, although I do believe the bailouts were needed, but there should have been many, many caveats to accepting any of that money. People have a right to be mad about this.

The second type is ruining the good points of the the rest. They are the children that grew up with "there are no winners or losers" athletics. They grew up being told that everyone was special, and when they grew up, they would have everything they ever wanted. They were coddled, never properly disciplined, and grew up spoiled and entitled.

Now they are adults. Spoiled brats with entitlement complexes that never learned that you have to work for what you want. They came out into the world expecting to be handed everything with no effort on their part, and now they are mad. Their version of the American Dream is to be handed a high paying job with little to no expectations required of them in return. They are mad because there are people in the world that make more than them and it's not fair. Remember, growing up, they were taught that everyone was equal and everyone was a winner. When they found out otherwise, their bubbles burst.

Now they protest, because they refuse to consider real work. They want the people that didn't coddle them in the job market to be punished.


Your comment is great, I appreciate it.

But work as such, is kinda BS. Robots can do a lot of it.

The problem is this: Who controls the robots? And by flying robots I mean drones. And by drones I mean flying robot soldiers.

Therefore, I think rather than be distracted about "jobs", I think it's best to be legally allowed to dig a hole and jump in. Call it camping, digging a bomb shelter, or radiation shelter, in order to have any rights you have to have those rights derive from the very very basics.

A "job" means what? What exactly does George Jetson do when we reach the future? What exactly does Captain Kirk do, when we reach the future? What future movies have any visions of value? Maybe that book The Road, but even then, all the more reason to adhere to the things I have explained, because if you recall, in that film "The Road", they do find a nice bunker and it does sustain them. God only knows where the original owners were, but in the film, that bunker and its contents, is like a paradise when its found in the future. Think hard about how this OWS thing will play out in 20 years. It's 2012, and the Patriot Act is over ten years old. It's just now getting its legs.


reply posted on 19-2-2012 @ 10:56 AM by smallpeeps
Today we see the Islamists, trying to associate the OWS movement with Allah?

What a crock. Allah and his mullahs, is the same pernicious evil tyranny as their nemesis the Judiast.

Islam is an equal danger to humans, as the Federal Reserve Bank. Sure, Sharia banking disallows interest, but the horrors of their treatment of females, and other bad aspects of the Islam religion, makes it the same sort of tyranny against which Jesus himself fought. Jesus would have shamed the mullahs just as he shamed the rabbis --except that the mullahs grew out of the Jesus events.


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The Occupy protest owes its inspiration to the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement, which began when a group of demonstrators gathered in New York's financial district on September 17, 2011 to protest against the excessive influence of big corporations on the US and high-level corruption in the country.

More than 6,000 Occupy protesters have been apprehended since the emergence of the movement.


It angers me when I see both sides trying to lie, and with the common people caught in the middle.

Never forget the heroes of Egypt, whose heroism goes beyond any and all of the Pharaohs, Mullhas and Rabbis alike. I am speaking of these heroes:

1: Breadhelmet Dude
2: Granny getting beat with sticks
3: Blue Bra Girl

I want immediate updates on these three people. I have said this on other domains.

Also, I encourage the people of Egypt to reject this as an Abrahamic revolt, it is a CAMPING revolt. It is for the right to camp, the right to shelter. IMO, that's the main power.

And of course, once they kick out the tents, well, that's the end of your statement. What are you gonna do now? Get more tents out there and get beat down worse? People need to focus on breadhelmetry, defending the grannies, and stopping the thugs who kill/stomp ladies in the street like blue bra girl. Where the hell is she anyway? Why doesn't anyone followup on the chick who took the worst beating on TV, for freedom?

It's like we don't even want heroes anymore. What a sad state this world is in.
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