Originally posted by AngelsDecay
Well, if all the values are with you,and not with me, i apologize and just leave it now...i thought this place was to share opinions and to debate
ideas. Sorry once again
Really? You basically tried to ridicule my opinion without saying why you disagree and without adding anything to the discussion. But I will
Please don't take this "ad hominem", I am merely using your contribution to this thread to discuss what I think is a pattern of bad reasoning among
So, your father was an officer. That explains a lot. I am not saying your father was corrupt or incompetent, nor am I saying he is wise. I don't know
Also, please turn off the TV and think for a moment. Yes, we have 3 cars, but they are old 1000/1500 EUR cars for spare parts. No worker in this
country has three 30.000 EURO cars, or even 500k houses. A lot of people are imprisoned by debt, they were told lies by banksters and politicians.
Remember we have always lived in some kind of "crisis" and all of us in the Western World live above our means, because it's meant to be that way.
It's not just us, the bad lazy uneducated Portuguese. Did you stop to think why we are not the only ones protesting and rioting?
The big deficit, recession and austerity was created by our corrupt Government expenses in things we had no say in, like the TGV and BPN bailout
fraud. We are only to blame for letting it happen. And when I say "we" I mean those who vote without conscience in the same two parties and carry on
like nothing wrong ever happened.
You like so many of us, are criticizing the objectivity of protesting. Protests are meant to show discontent and call to others to open their eyes and
refuse to be handled like commodities. If you don't want to join the people at least contribute in some other way, but don't try to discredit those
who are willing to make a better country without personal gain - yeah, a few are opportunists, it's only human. We must look into ourselves and find
something other than self-blame as a reason to quit ourselves and our fellow citizens.
No one is trying to overthrow the government. People are demanding that corrupt politicians are judged and that we are entitled to audit the debt they
are forcing us to pay without presenting reason or proof. We are demanding equal treatment in Justice. We are questioning authority and demanding
voice in a lot of things they don't even ask us. Did you know that the "troika" entered in Portugal without voting in Parliament? Is this ok for
you? Is this democratic?
Why no cuts in salaries and pensions of current and retired politicians - some at the age of 42, when the average worker is only allowed to retire at
67 ? Why are we forced to pay something we aren't even allowed to understand? Why are we paying more and more for Health and Education and food? How
long do you think it will take for them to tax air? Ask the Greeks how they are doing. Do they drive around in their 3 cars being all lazy and