Originally posted by WeRpeons
Police and the military are conditioned to take orders and never question authority. It's the only way governments keep their people under control and wage war.
Unfortunately, the police and military are conditioned just like the German Nazis. They don't morally question their enforcement or violence on their fellow citizens. Those that do care, are scared of the consequences if they refuse to take orders. They need their jobs like everyone else. The only way they refuse to take orders is if it's agreed upon by the majority.
Originally posted by pajoly
You can bet that America's police and military will have no qualms about firing upon Americans citizens. The military will just make sure they use a unit known for being modern Christian zealots. Insane cultist like that will think they are doing God's work and will kill other and child alike without a wince.
Originally posted by Firefly_
reply to post by pointr97
So that explains why so many US soldiers are all over the world, occupying resource-rich nations in order to rob them.
Originally posted by Vehemens
Originally posted by AngelsDecay
Hey, hey hey...hold on a second!
Of course i respect all the readers here because only a very few, for sure, can speak and and understand Portuguese on this Board. (sometimes the google translator cannot make 100%sense at all)
So, here it goes. I am Portuguese, i Live in my Beloved Portugal, and for this occasion, i can also tell you that my Dad its a retired Military Official.
First this very new DO NOT depict at all the majority feeling of the entire Portuguese Military Forces, including Air Force, Navy and Army.
The news linked here:
Refers only to a Syndicate of Sargeants...wich for sure do not speak for the rest of the colleagues. Some of them even maybe voted on the actual Prime-Minister.
What they are trying to say( and i fully respect it), its not "we are going to rebellion", but "if things goes wrong we do not like this government policies", wich (and truth must be said), are the only option to take us out of the actual crisis...People in Portugal always lived above their own possibilities, having each family 2 or 3 cars, 5 phone mobiles and every one at the age of 22 maybe, starts to buy a home(not rent), not because it is needed, but because the neighbour also have!
We live on appearences!
We can have tons of politicians, from left to right, but with this way of thinking, no one can achieve anything without a lil bit of sacrifice!
People here in Portugal are crying "we dont have a job and we want to work" »»» False
Or better, some ones its true, but others its simply hipocrisy...They prefer to stay at home, depending only of the unemployment subsidies, watching the brazilians and ucranians working for them.
Students some of them cries for justice and a better work, but unfortunately, thousands of them only burns mom and dad's money (earned with bloody sacrifices sometimes), in Universities parties, alcohool and stupid things.
Only a few really takes things very seriously...
Another thing that unfortunately has some abundance here in Portugal its the old thinking story of the "Poor and the MercedeS"»»»
Normally in other cultures when a poor see a guy in a big car he thinks for himself:
"One Day i will have a Mercedes like You"
"One day you will be beggaring as me"
If someone or anything here its well and nice, the purpose of the rest its not to follow and try to achieve him(her), but to throw it down..((( ( "we" dont worry if a thousand are living in poverty, but "our" concern its if a mere 12 are rich!
Revolutions or pseudo-revolutions could be made in one day, in one night, etc, etc...but changing peoples minds takes more than 50 years or so...
We have some very wise men on the military scene here...but for Christ sake, and also taking in mind that we are not Corruption-Free, and other nasty things as well, its not a Military Revolution that would put our country in the right way.
Military are made to work on the military fields, not to rule and do the govern of Countries, specially in an advanced Europe, IMHO.
A very long dictatorship was ended many years ago...we dont want to start another one, with or without the military.
OK, Lets say it»»» The Military starts a Coup/Rebellion Tonight for instance, so here it goes the basic questions:
A) Will we have a job tomorrow?
B) Will we have money in our banks tomorrow?
C) Some people wanna start to work tomorrow, instead of seeing others working for them?
It useless and its a total meaningless shot in the dark. If such thing occurs in these days would be the most stupid, idiot and devastating thing for us all, our families, children and next generations.
We are not Greece, we are not Egypt, We DO HAVE some real problems, but even with or without a military help, none of them would be fixed...Only Wisdom and Patience, my 2 cents
edit on 16-10-2011 by AngelsDecay because: (no reason given)
Lol, we can't be from the same Country. What kind of image of Portugal is that, the people you hang out with? Yeah, some people are like that, just like in any country but most of us definitely aren't like that.
Originally posted by Manula
I am Portuguese and i can tell you this is for real. The government is cutting wages of the military too, so they are pissed of.
The situation is getting serious, the austerity measures are so unfair that not even the military will take it.
Brilliant news,if others followed it would be great! The military are after all just everyday people like me and you
Originally posted by silvercrow
Well, I am Portuguese and I can say that the views expressed in the article are the right ones but the motivation is not so simple. Only a handful of left-wing soldiers are willing to be loyal to Portugal instead of serving the corrupt Portuguese leadership.
Our 1974 "bloodless" revolution was promoted by a military movement headed by captains who were against the Ultramar War and some internal injustices. The people followed and the dictatorial regime ended.
Currently, the Portuguese military is full of high-ranking well paid corrupt officers. We have too many generals. Low-ranking personnel are not very well paid and there is little money for training, maintenance or new weapons. There has always been tension within the Military and between them and the Government. Our military has been rendered pretty much useless and incapable of protecting the territory and its people. It was never any better but The People managed to defend the country for almost 1000 years.
We have a Republican Guard (GNR) which is a military force doing police work. This institution has a long history of violently repressing protesters. Nowadays, PSP (our main police force) is trained for the same reasons: oppression. The thing is: the Government forgets to pay them (with our money, BTW) and they have no decent working conditions upholding the Law, only the riot police is well trained and funded to serve politicians and bankers.
I am afraid there is no real sense of duty towards The People except for a few officers: it's always about the money. Our Constitution and Law is constantly violated by the police and things might get ugly in a couple of months. I hope some of them will grow a brain and come to the aid of those they are supposed to defend.
edit on 17-10-2011 by silvercrow because: I herp derped
Originally posted by AngelsDecay
Well...i really start to believe on the ATS threads about Different Dimensions, Time Travellers and Other Worlds...
good point,this is what i was thinking,the people maybe walking into a trap,is it really the military on the peoples side,or the people being on the military's side.
Originally posted by angelchemuel
I am a little concerned about this announcement. Although I whole heartedly agree this world situation cannot continue, as soon as I read this I remembered Egypt. Wasn't the military there supporting the people? But look what's happened now...it appears to me the military are running the country as Egypts elections which were promised for September I last heard/read have still not happened.
That is 100% not true....The military in fact trains soldiers and officers to follow ethical orders....period...If it is something that is not ethical, we are trained to question that order and suffer the consequences of not following it. We are trained that it is better that we suffer than to follow an unethical order, period.