Do you think OWS is legit or just a staged act?

I am highly curious on what people think about OWS. Do you think it is staged/people doing it for attention or do you think it is a protest with a legitimate goal that actually has the capacity to gain momentum? I would definitely like to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

reply to post by Unvarnished


i doubt its staged because why would they want people to open their eyes?
cause thats what ows is doing, its spreading the message. and everyday more people hear it.
if it is staged id like to see how they manipulated it.
because revolution is a natural part of a societys evolution

reply to post by Unvarnished


i have a crazy friend who sais it was created by harvard and princeton professors and its going to lead to martial law... im like you are dumb shutup.

i believe that this is to large scale for something a college professor has worked on and that the people are finally coming together to realize the way things are right now is NOT working

reply to post by Unvarnished

Do you think it is staged/people doing it for attention or do you think it is a protest with a legitimate goal that actually has the capacity to gain momentum?

I do not think it was staged. I believe the majority of the protesters all around the world are angry with the current system and are taking their voice to the street. The goal? Im not really sure about that one. It seems there are alot of different issues that they want to address, but I dont really see an ultimate, defined goal at the moment.

It's staged. The movement just isn't ever going to be what a lot of the people participating in it want it to be.

The information on funding and organization is already out there for anyone who wants to look it up and read it and check on it themselves.

No, I'm not going to spoon feed it all to you here right now. Other people have done a bunch of awesome write-ups where they lay it all out there and it is not at all hard to find them.

Personally, I'm mostly moving on from monitoring OWS topics even because there are so many of them that they are serving as a very significant distraction from much more important events and issues etc...

...including one big one you aren't even allowed to talk about here on ATS, which is much more important than OWS and most of the stuff here. But even if you want to just ignore that whole issue, there is a bunch of stuff that is much more worth your time here than the OWS nonsense.

Here is my divide on the situation:

In the Arab Spring that took place, lots of people spoke of American involvement. We know for a fact that the American government was supportive of the spring because they were excited about American-friendly leaders coming into power. In Libya, we obviously had deep involvement. Now we have interests scattered all through the Middle East and Obama just decided to start sending troops into Uganda! (Peace Prize worthy, huh? )

Anyway, my thought is that if we were willing to spread/support the spring... who's to say the 1% couldn't be behind this? They want a new currency. They've wanted the Amero or a global currency for awhile. Why not kill off the currency that is old and worn, to replace it with something new and exciting? If we're willing to do it over there, I'm certain they would do it here. They KNOW the people are ready to snap so all they had to do was use their anger against them. (the people) Martial arts tactic, right? Use your enemies weight and anger against them.

As for the movement gaining momentum, this thing was like a match soaked in gas, by a pile of very dry kindling... soaked in gas. The People have been ready to explode for awhile. That's why within the OWS groups you have conflicting messages. Some support true capitalism, some hate it. Some are Communist, some are Socialist. Many are Ron Paul supporters while others despise politics completely. The people find common ground in the very simple thing which could be their enemy - they're all very very very upset with the current situation.

I can't figure out if it's staged or not, but if so... it only took a small spark to set it off. Perhaps now the elite just sit back, laugh, wait for the fire to finish it's path and then cheer when the new green emerges.

yeah, sure, it's staged.
my government mind control chip started feeding these ideas about
equality and fairness and love
straight into my brain.
i'm powerless to resist my manipulators
i certainly didn't reach any conclusions on my own or reach out to other free thinking individuals for open discussion

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Originally posted by ShortMemory
reply to post by Unvarnished

 

i doubt its staged because why would they want people to open their eyes?
cause thats what ows is doing, its spreading the message. and everyday more people hear it.
if it is staged id like to see how they manipulated it.
because revolution is a natural part of a societys evolution

Yes, of course it's staged. If you read up on how the NWO plan was designed then you'll see that it's very obvious.

They originally created TWO ideologies: Communism and Capitalism that cover both Left and Right which close together around society like a giant pincer. It's clever how they've seemingly pitted one against the other and yet both ultimately lead to the same goal - a people's revolution.

Christian G. Rakovsky, one of the founders of Soviet Bolshevism, admitted this in his interrogation in 1938:

"Do you not think that Lenin spoke nonsense? No, for him every reality; every truth was relative in the face of the sole and absolute one: the revolution. Marx was a genius. If his works had amounted to only the deep criticism of Capitalism, then even that would have been an unsurpassed scientific work; but in those places where his writing reaches the level of mastery, there comes the effect of an apparently ironical work. "Communism" he says "must win because Capital will give it that victory, though its enemy." Such is the magisterial thesis of Marx...

Can there be a greater irony? And then, in order that he should be believed, it was enough for him to depersonalize Capitalism and Communism, having transformed the human individual into a consciously thinking individual, which he did with the extraordinary talent of a juggler. Such was his sly method, in order to demonstrate to the Capitalists that they are a reality of Capitalism and that Communism can triumph as the result of inborn idiocy; since without the presence of immortal idiocy in homo economico there could not appear in him continuous contradictions as proclaimed by Marx. To be able to achieve the transformation of homo sapiens into homo stultum is to possess magical force, capable of bringing man down to the first stage of the zoological ladder, i.e. to the level of the animal. Only if there is homo stultum in the epoch of the apogee of Capitalism could Marx formulate his axiomatic proposition: contradictions plus time equal Communism"

This comes from a translation of Ch. XL of a book which appeared in Madrid in Spanish as "Sinfonia en Rojo Mayor" - search for it in English, it's called "Red Symphony".

So you see, they WANT people to open their eyes - that is why they gave us the Internet and social networking sites, to "spread the message" - or do you really think it's all for our own personal entertainment??! Their principle idea is to create revolution. The revolution will allow society to collapse so they can take-over. A very good example is the Russian Revolution where the 'people' took control in February 1917 only to have the Bolsheviks snatch it easily from them in October. Let's face facts, ordinary people are disorganised and very, very stupid - they can't handle a revolution. The only ones who nearly accomplished it were the Anarchists in Catalonia in Spain in 1936 - but in the end, they never stood a chance. And neither do we.

It's very poetic that in the end, the real 'sheeple' are those who have been conned into "spreading the word" and causing this 'rEvolution'.

reply to post by Unvarnished


With the amount of people involved, and more by the hour, I would say it's impossible for that to be staged.
Though, I would agree that there are people doing it for attention, there are always people that will do anything for attention. But everyone? No way.

Everyone has a different opinion and take on it. There is no single answer. That is why it is so powerful... There isn't just one problem; the entire system is screwed up, so it affects so many people in different ways...

I think it's real.

People are PISSED because their government no longer represents them.

It isn't "right" or "left" or any of that crap

At it's very bottom it is about being sold out for money--However it started

If EVERYONE would stand up together about THAT it could be changed, but the right is too busy screaming about communist plots and hippies instead of supporting something that could help everyone.

I don't think it was staged. But I think it is beginning to organize and money will help with that. What the "movement" will turn into once it is organized and in the money, I don't know. I think government and business better get those jobs going and this will go away. It may be our French revolution otherwise.

To most of the participants, this is legit. To the people who are planning and funding it, it is a Hegelian move.

It's reasonable to expect someone is pushing this from behind the scenes to reach a certain end, but the more people become involved, the more unpredictable outcomes may become. At this point, these relatively small demonstrations become nothing more than a talking point, a reason to be used to justify some predetermined end. But if they were to really succeed on a mass level, it's entirely possible that real change becomes possible.

As support for this theory that these demonstrations should be popular, but not too popular, look at the mainstream media response as an indicator. The right wing media has been trashing the hell out of these people, making sure to point out every difference with tea parties and sovereignty movements, because the end goal is not a mass movement against the 1%. It would appear to be to revitalize the progressive left and give intellectual credibility to a new series of governmental powers at the national or international level.

In no way does this mean the people protesting aren't sincere, as I expect most are. But as the previous poster well stated, it's like a flame to the fire.

reply to post by cassandranova


The Obama administration is planning to use it in their campaign, so there's that. I don't think any of us that support the OWS movement are actually fooled by that, though. It actually ticks me off. And I am NOT someone who leans to the right, at all. I just think both political parties have had their chance and failed, failed, failed miserably - and we the people don't want to take it anymore. Neither party is representing us, they are only representing the corporations and big business, big pharma, big banks, etc.

reply to post by gwynnhwyfar


If everyone claiming it was all a set up actually went down there to see what was happening, they probably wouldn't be saying that. Their game is "Oh its all staged, there's nothing going on at the demonstrations other than people trying to reach a common consensus (which, when/if it happens will be one of the most impressive democratic processes to happen in my opinion, just cause of the sheer diversity of the crowd) on what we can do to stop things from being the way they are". In reality, they're computer chair just started getting warm

To a lot of the people involved, it is legit to them, now. But now that the 'players' are starting to reveal themselves; Soros, Sharpton, Obama, etc.; it will become a fully funded and directed 2012 re-elect Obama movement funded by the '1%' to further their own agendas. They are well versed in redirecting a movement nudge by nudge until it starts moving in the direction they want.

reply to post by SpreadLoveNotHate

I don't think it is a set up at all. I was just at Occupy Phoenix yesterday. PICS - it happened...

I just don't like the idea of either political party trying to hijack the movement when it is their own inability to do anything for the people that has led to this.

reply to post by gwynnhwyfar


In our history lessons, we are never told about how wars, etc are financed. it is simply left out, i would guess because of the sensitivity of implicating Wall Street in funding our enemies. Their goal is profit, not patriotism. And the US Government benefits from both sides during each war, as the money flows from Wall Street.

With that being said, you will have to ask yourself at some point, "Who is financing the OWS movement?" Maybe not today, but on the day that it gains traction and begins having serious efforts requiring money beyond that of donations from individual serfs.

The George Soros connection is already established. That is just a peek at the reality of the opera behind the curtains.

reply to post by rottensociety


I agree with what you said, do you hate the way they spell revolution?

I can't stand it, rEvolution, that is such a mainstream label. A flashy, hip, witty worm is what that is. The populace ate it up hook line and sinker.

Originally posted by ThirdI
reply to post by rottensociety

 

I agree with what you said, do you hate the way they spell revolution?

I can't stand it, rEvolution, that is such a mainstream label. A flashy, hip, witty worm is what that is. The populace ate it up hook line and sinker.

I do hate it. They're trying to make revolution look 'cool' when in fact it's a disgusting disease that will rip society into pieces. I expect you've also noticed how They deliberately made Che Guevara into a 'hip' poster-boy for the revolution when in fact he was working with Bolshevik agents in Argentina all along.

Long ago I thought 'truthers' were actually looking for the Truth - now it seems the whole thing was part of the Big Plan to get them to revolt. It's all so wrong I could cry...