The man with the gun

I think what I'm trying to say is that the elite have created the illusion that we have to struggle in life. That things like food and health care have been made a business that people can't afford no matter how hard they work. So they make you rely on the government for it. They make you rely on the people that govern you. That is why I see danger in "socialist" ideals.

In Cuba, Fidel told the public, grow food where ever you can for yourself. Cuba will always have food now to sustain itself.

Socialism in the notion that you provide for yourself.....makes capitalism stronger. It will bring about new innovations that HELP people. Help the earth.

I bet we could have cars that run on water by now. But those inventions are blocked because having cars STILL run on Oil is a benefit for oil corporations. It benefits car companies with cars that run on oil. Corporations don't care about people. They care about profit. The natural resources that they sell us in the form of their product is the most minimal solution while keeping people "happy".

Socialism in the form of government is doomed to be corrupted.

"Socialism" in the human consciousness coupled with true freedom....could lead us to a new way. A new earth.

Collectivism is only destructive to society in the form of government policy. That is why people need to be told "don't demand *handouts/rights* from your government". They aren't going to listen or they will give in to gain more control.

Which is a funny thought because the government is always taxing us MORE for Social Programs. So why tell the government that Social Programs is their decision when "we" all know what is right for society.

The reason we are becoming more poor is because the system has been set up for us to slowly get more poor. Our government has shown every indication they aren't trying hard enough. If they really wanted good for the common man we would have it. They can't tell me there isn't "enough". THERE ISN'T ENOUGH WHEN YOU TAKE IT ALL.

Instead we are sent to wars because of the military industrial complex. War for profit. Deaths of people for profit.

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Ugggghhhh Olbermann is a shill for the Obama machine, and he used his own terminal father to shamelessly promote Obamacare. It was the most disgusting display I think I've seen my whole life, and I'm not kidding. I will never watch anything that man does or listen to anything he says since that time.

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There is no freedom in socialism. That's the point here. It is the Totalitarian way.

The motto of the socialist/communist/collectivist is "let us do evil that good may come".

I just found this interesting blog..
nbendele.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by FreedomXisntXFree

What you've heard about OWS being a bunch of "collectivists" that just want a hand out is a lie.

Here is a link to some of the organizers' e-mails.

No, the people in the street are not necessarily collectivists, although some of them are. They are rather innocent tool of a MUCH more oppressive agenda. They've been duped. The people holding the reins don't mean well for you, I, OR the protestors themselves.

I still maintain that this is NOT going to end well.

Originally posted by FreedomXisntXFree
Btw my comment about "living comfortable our whole lives" was directed towards middle class citizens which I fall under. But the middle class is a dying breed and its slowly becoming just the RICH and POOR.

I am sorry to hear that you didn't have some of the things I have taken for granted growing up. But no longer. I have grown up and denied ignorance. Sadly ignorance is bliss for some.

You may have misunderstood me because I didn't make myself clear. There is nothing for you to be sorry about - if I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't change a single thing about it. I don't know if one would say it "toughened me up", gave me "character", or any of that other sentimental noble crap, but one thing it DID do for me that I would not change is that it taught me how to live with adversity and get through to the other side. Where other people will fold, I'll just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and make it to my goal. To me, that is worth more than all of the money Wall Street holds.

Originally posted by FreedomXisntXFree

That means people would have more money in their wallets. So another hypothetical question pops up. If your friend or family member got injured and needed help paying medical costs they people around you would have enough money to help. I know I would help if I had extra cash in my pocket. But maybe that is just me.

It's not just you. I've taken second jobs to help family and friends through a rough patch.

We as a people just need to be earning an amount of money that isn't kept at a minimum to live and struggle to get by. The elite in this world are so greedy that they horde all the money, illegally or legally, and keep enough of it so there's barely anything for us.

They have money, I have self respect and peace of mind. I would not trade them what I have for what they have. I'm just not materialistic enough to chase after money and "things". Anything beyond what I need is just something to worry about to me, and I don't particularly like worrying. I could have been rich - or at the least, VERY well to do. It just wasn't something that even made my priorities list.

Keith Olbermann reads the OWS plea. Listen to the words. Don't get distracted by the images even though they do mean just as much.

I saw that earlier yesterday. I'll refrain from comment, because what I think of it would just inflame some folks.

Maybe I'm a collectivist. I don't know. But I care about people. Our brains are programmed that way almost. Its not that I want to live on a commune by any means.

No, that doesn't make you a collectivist. Wanting to throw everything into the same kitty, then dole it back out again as the government sees fit would make you one, though. I care about SOME people, and care deeply. Others - well, I wouldn't piss on their heads if their hair was on fire.

One thing I've noticed in life - most people who care about "people" don't give a damn about "mankind", and most who crusade for "mankind" don't give a damn about "people". I've never figured out why that is, but it seems to hold true in nearly all cases. that may be the very essence of the difference between a collectivist and an individualist.

But a "commune" mentality in terms of Food, Healthcare, and Education is attainable if all the wealth that was EARNED by the 99% was in possession of the 99%. Because we are the ones that do ALL OF THE WORK.

I want no part of a system where the food, healthcare, and most of these "social" programs comes from the government. I agree to work for a certain price, and that's exactly what I'll do. I can't say that I care how much other folks make. If I can't get something, I don't really need it - it's just a want, and your wants will never hurt you.

I might be able to get behind a movement where I could "opt out" of any participation at all in such programs - neither pay in nor take out of them. So far, the government seems unwilling to provide that option. Then I have to do what I'm going to do in the case of this ridiculous mandate from the government that I give my money to insurance companies. I'm just going to ignore it.

You just give me the impression if that you are just accepting this current tyranny because you believe the other route is tyranny even though it boasts of wanting to better humanity. That's the only part I see that I feel you are mistaken.

I don't "accept" the current tyranny - I either work against it, or ignore it, depending on the situation. The other route IS just another, more oppressive, tyranny, despite what it claims about "bettering humanity". In NO case of it being put into practice has humanity benefited in the least, and those people under that rule have come out worse for the wear.

I can see how a collectivist attitude could be used against us and be corrupted like socialism and communism where the people higher on the totem pole get to run things which is where corruption ruins a good idea. The US of A was a good idea and corruption has spilled into our capitalist government as well. I still believe in Capitalism as its been proven to work.

Capitalism HAS been proven to work. What we have now is not capitalism, however, it is corporatism. ANY system is subject to abuse, and WILL be abused just as soon as some one some where amasses too much power to himself, which is where the US went off the rails. Too much power was given by the people to the federal government, and then that power was centralized and consolidated, with a net detrimental effect on the very people who gave it that power to begin with. That centralization is ALSO built-in to all forms of collectivism, which is why THEY go bad.

Originally posted by FreedomXisntXFree

Socialism in the notion that you provide for yourself.....makes capitalism stronger.

I don't think I'm understanding you here. There IS no notion of providing for yourself in socialism - the essence is to the contrary, that society provides for you so that you don't have to provide for yourself. That's the very meaning of the word. It puts the "social" in the "ism".

Socialism and capitalism aren't incompatible - quite a number of socialists have amassed a very goodly sized fortune of capital to themselves. It's perfectly ok with them if the rest of us peons take care of each other in the brave new world. I wouldn't have knocked on the door of Brezhnev's dacha and asked for a ruble for all the tea in China!

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by randyvs
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So you don't / do have a side ? You are your own side ? You wouldn't fight to be free from tyranny ? I find your message cynical even tho it remains quite vague. Maybe you live in the Ozarks or the Blue ridge mountains ?
If thats the case, then I can at least see your point.

I'm from the Appalachians, west of the Blue Ridge, towards the Cumberlands, but I don't live there now.

I have fought to free others from tyranny, and will most certainly fight to free myself from tyranny. I don't see the benefits in trading one tyranny for another, which is what this "movement" is all about.

Sorry for the vagueness, but yes I am cynical to a fault, with reason. I've seen what these "Glorious People's Revolutions" prosecuted by Collectivists leave in their wake, and will fight like hell to keep it from taking over a neighborhood near you... or me. I know how they work, have seen them in action and have the T-shirt and scars to prove it.

Holy crap ! With a tremendous amount of luck a person sure can make themselves look extremely smart.
As I said I can see your point.
Funny how you reminded me of people I know just with the little bit you wrote. I think my being born in Missouri
might have something to do with it. Anyways I totally understand your way of thinking and can even go as far as
envy. Your people raised you proud and head strong.

You may have misunderstood me because I didn't make myself clear. There is nothing for you to be sorry about - if I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't change a single thing about it. I don't know if one would say it "toughened me up", gave me "character", or any of that other sentimental noble crap, but one thing it DID do for me that I would not change is that it taught me how to live with adversity and get through to the other side. Where other people will fold, I'll just keep putting one foot in front of the other, and make it to my goal. To me, that is worth more than all of the money Wall Street holds.

I feel like were brothers.
There is another member here . He is from W. Virginia, Conclusion 1. You remind me so much of him. I havn't seen him on here for awhile. He's down in the coal mines. Hope he's alright. Anyway you both have a tremendous understanding of what the hell is going on as Freedom does as well. You two are great examples
of members to this site. I'm enjoying this very much as I'm able to see what you both are saying. Good work .

I still maintain that this is NOT going to end well.

And that is all what this thread is about. Manipulating that end.

I agree with all your "rebuttals" to some of the things I said. The one things sticks out that's I didn't intend.
Socialism as I know it involves the government, not its people, to provide for them in forms a taxes that then get redistributed. That isn't what I advocate. I advocate severing the tie between the government and Social Programs. The founding fathers didn't see our Federal government as the Dept of agriculture, education, ETC.

When I was using the word Socialism I'm using that to describe the idea of people helping one another when they need it.
I agree the "struggles" that we go through makes up our lives and teaches us things. But that doesn't mean the government/corporations can artificially create these struggles.

My biggest point is Freedom ends up being "socialistic" because people who are free take care of their fellow man. If we got to keep a majority of what we earned off OUR HARD WORK then that would mean more money for myself that I earned. No one handed it to me. I can use it as I please. I could use it to feed people with no food, healthcare, education etc. My point is we demand from our government all of these "rights". The mistake with demanding these things from our government is that it gives them the power of who gets educated, fed, and aid. Corruption prevents those things from happening.

True Freedom would be saying "screw you fed" we aren't giving you our money anymore because I made it off of my hard work. When the government taxes they tax to redistribute wealth TO THEMSELVES.

Ron Paul seems to be the only politician that wants to start giving our FREEDOM back. He wants to get rid of all these different government departments that in the end are Socialist.

We already have socialism in our GOVERNMENT and our anger shows it doesn't work. Its disguised as capitalism where the rich have all the capital and they redistribute it. So if the money we made was actually in our bank account we would do the good we seek. We can't ask the government to do good for us.

So yes, its is a collectivist movement I completely agree. But it is a collectivist movement where our communities do the good we seek. Not the government. When the government takes CONTROL of the good we seek the corruption that occurs from that power works against us.

For all we know our government could be actually trying but they haven't seen their own greed yet to get that accomplished. They think government can "help" us but history has shown a government poisoned with corruption will never accomplish that.

So if you are hard worker, you should keep the money you earn and put it forth where you deem fit. A tax revolt would be a example of this. College Student that stop paying their loans would be an example of this. We balanced our checkbooks. Tell them its time to balance theirs.

Whats tyranny about all this is that they will throw us in jail when they don't get their money. We aren't being "americans". The government threatens us with jail when we don't want to give THEIR COLLECTIVIST ATTITUDE OUR MONEY. I just want to be free with the money we earn off OUR WORK. OUR BACKS.

People will do the good we seek. Governments do not because corruption prevents them from actually doing the good they seek.

(if you drive a car) - I’ll tax the street
(if you try to sit) - I’ll tax your seat
(if you get too cold) - I’ll tax the heat
(if you take a walk) - I'll tax your feet.

'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

And you're working for no one but me.

I think the Beatles knew what we all want.....would happen eventually. People just need to demand it. Because of this songs AND our current events its leads me to believe everything WILL be alright.

The Beatles - Revolution

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world

Apologies for the delay in my response - I've been working long hours sporadically, and that catches up with me every couple of months and presents me with a crash and burn day, which turned out to be today. I probably wouldn't be awake yet if I hadn't been called in to work tonight too.

Originally posted by randyvs

Holy crap ! With a tremendous amount of luck a person sure can make themselves look extremely smart.

As I said I can see your point.

I tell myself that fairly frequently, and it never fails to amaze me if I actually blurt out something that other folks mistakenly take for bright!

Funny how you reminded me of people I know just with the little bit you wrote. I think my being born in Missouri
might have something to do with it. Anyways I totally understand your way of thinking and can even go as far as
envy. Your people raised you proud and head strong.

My folks would call it "hard headed" or "bull headed", but yup, it amounts to the same exact thing, just from a different perspective. Missouri you say? What's that they say about Missouri mules? Yeah, I think you probably "get" me... Still, being from Missouri you may be acquainted with some folks from the Ozarks, and they're of fairly the same mind set as myself. Must be something about the mountains. "Civilization" tends to bypass them, then come back later for the spoils that the mountaineers find while living there. It also breeds a severe contempt for, and mistrust of, government. Government folks and outsiders in general only come in to take, then disappear again.

We can generally wait 'em out until they go away, unless they get too rowdy. then something blows up. Mountain folks on average are probably a generation or two behind the rest of "civilization". We can get the same "stuff", but handle it differently - like other folks grandparents did.

My dad grew up in WV, already economically depressed, and during the Depression on top of that. He was always a stickler for teaching me stuff so that I could make it through one too - "just in case" he always said. looks to me like he might have been on to something there.

I feel like were brothers.

There is another member here . He is from W. Virginia, Conclusion 1. You remind me so much of him. I havn't seen him on here for awhile. He's down in the coal mines. Hope he's alright. Anyway you both have a tremendous understanding of what the hell is going on as Freedom does as well. You two are great examples
of members to this site. I'm enjoying this very much as I'm able to see what you both are saying. Good work

Half of my family is in WV, the other half is in the far tail end of VA (the part nobody knows is there, where WV, VA, and KY all come together). This other member, if he's in the mines, is probably in the southern part of WV, just across the state line from where I was raised. He also probably has a different perspective on the UMWA than I do, but it's all good until contract negotiation time. My granddad worked 40 years in the mines, back when it was hand-dug and hauled out in mule carts. He died with the Black Lung. I had a brother in law who died in an explosion on the OUTSIDE of a mine while at work. The last words anyone heard him speak were "Don't nobody light no cigarette" Then he grinned at his own joke and promptly blew up. It's a dangerous job, and my hat's off to the men who can do it day after day. I couldn't - I've always said that I'll never go into a hole in the ground and then proceed to dig it out away from me. It doesn't look to me like the percentages in that are very good.

I still maintain that this is NOT going to end well.

And that is all what this thread is about. Manipulating that end.

I don't like doing that, but sometimes one does what he has to do. If there is no opposition to give an alternate view, then the people who I believe organized this OWS thing will run off with it unopposed, and that's not something I can just live with or abide by. The best you can do, in my mind, is speak your mind about it, then let those involved out on the street make up their own minds in the matter, then see where it goes from there.

Just so you'll know, I AM one of "the men with the guns". I'm not law enforcement, but have been law enforcement trained and have trained LE officers. I do contract security work. I was asked not long ago if I would "revolt" if the OWS crowd was fired upon by the government, and the answer is "yes". As long as they're maintaining the peace, then government has no call to get rough. Having a difference of opinion isn't worth a shooting war - but being shot at IS.

I may not see eye to eye with them ideologically, but they are still "my people", and that's the ones I fought for to begin with, I'm not going to defend them from "foreigners" only to see their own government turn on them.

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- conclusion -

I worry most about "agents provocateurs", and know that it's not only the government that employs them. My biggest worry is that the folks who pull the OWS strings will salt a few in to provoke violence, in order to gain a few martyrs for the cause. They DO have a track record of that sort of thing, as much, if not more so, than the government.

The people on the street are the ones who will bear the brunt of that, and once you're dead, it really doesn't matter which side the first shot really came from, you're still just as dead.

Originally posted by FreedomXisntXFree
When I was using the word Socialism I'm using that to describe the idea of people helping one another when they need it.

I agree with you here. The difference is only in semantics. We really need to find another word for what you are describing, since "socialism" has come to be known as a merger of government and economy where the government micromanages the economy to the point that it decides who gets what on any given day. Governments, like corporations, are made up of people, and those people are subject to the same failings as any other. Give them that much power over you, and they will TAKE whatever else they want from you.

The population exerts more direct control over governments than they do corporations, since they can fire the government if they take a notion to, but they have to STARVE corporations out. Because of that, it makes more sense to me to go to work on sorting the government out first. Once you have them back under YOUR control, you then have a tool to more effectively and directly deal with the corporations.

The problem is, the other side knows that, too, and have made enough headway in gaining control of the government that they don't want to upset the apple cart, and this is why they are now targeting the corporations instead.

I agree the "struggles" that we go through makes up our lives and teaches us things. But that doesn't mean the government/corporations can artificially create these struggles.

I have a different perspective. I don't believe that either government or corporations have the ability to create my struggles without my consent. If I simply reject whatever struggle they are trying to throw on me that day, they've created nothing. I can do that, but realize that not everyone can. I don't really understand WHY they can't, since it's all in the mindset, but have to recognize and accept that it's a fact all the same.

Just as the pen is mightier than the sword, your MIND is the most formidable weapon you will ever possess. Control that, and you own the world. The other "sides" in this little drama know that, too. If THEY can win your mind, they own you. So far, they seem to be winning in the majority of cases. They do that by convincing the population that they and their "stuff" are one, Once that connection is made - again, in the mind - they then control YOU by controlling your "stuff". It works that way for corporations, and it works the same way for a government that you give that much control to. The collectivists have made significant inroads into government, and are now focusing on corporations. they objective is to control your "stuff", so that they can ultimately control YOU right along with it.

My working theory for the time being is that if you can divorce your self from your stuff sufficiently, you can break that contol and turn it. That's really where the fight has to start. In our minds. "Stuff" can be replaced, people can not. The OWS crowd for the most part appears to have been lured into the game with promises of "stuff", or a desire for "stuff", thinking that if they can break the corporations, then "stuff" will just naturally roll their way.

That's not quite how that goes once you've beaten an "enemy" for the people who promise you the moon. What generally happens is that THOSE people just take control of your stuff, and then THEY own you. You've only overthrown one master for another.

Your freedom is NOT tied to your "stuff". Therefore, fighting for more stuff is NOT "fighting for freedom" as they have been told it is. Remember the old song "Me and Bobby McGee"? "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose." The more you tie your self to your "stuff", the less freedom you actually have. I wonder why they've put such an effort into turning that simple concept upside down and inside out, convincing people that more "stuff" means more "freedom"?

"War is Peace"

"Fredom is Slavery"

Etc.

My biggest point is Freedom ends up being "socialistic" because people who are free take care of their fellow man. If we got to keep a majority of what we earned off OUR HARD WORK then that would mean more money for myself that I earned. No one handed it to me. I can use it as I please. I could use it to feed people with no food, healthcare, education etc. My point is we demand from our government all of these "rights". The mistake with demanding these things from our government is that it gives them the power of who gets educated, fed, and aid. Corruption prevents those things from happening.

Exactly my thoughts. It ought, by rights, to be MY decision where my money goes. I don't need a governmental middle man to do my thinking for me, for in so doing they beat not only ME, but also the people whom they "provide" for out of my pocket, by controlling their "stuff". When it comes to government, it's not about "helping" anyone, it's about CONTROLLING them. that's what governments do, and that's why they should be kept to a minimum. That's just how it is, and I don't care how they try to paint it up or what they try to claim it's for.

True Freedom would be saying "screw you fed" we aren't giving you our money anymore because I made it off of my hard work. When the government taxes they tax to redistribute wealth TO THEMSELVES.

There is a genuine need for a certain proportion of taxation, because there is a genuine need for a degree of government. What we have done is allowed that to get way out of control, on both fronts. The ONLY thing government should be taxing for is to run ITSELF, NOT hand it out as a means of control. if government were smaller, kept within it's own boundaries, it could get by on a lot less taxation. Add to that the complete dismantling of certain of the more useless agencies, and you can probably see where I'm going with this.

Ron Paul seems to be the only politician that wants to start giving our FREEDOM back. He wants to get rid of all these different government departments that in the end are Socialist.

I generally agree with Dr. Paul, but differ with him in some areas, particularly Foreign Relations and the conduct of military operations. He seems to be among those who get all confused about the difference between a battlefield and a court room, and which applies to what. In the matter of how to get the Federal government back under our control, instead of vice-versa, he's dead on. It will take an approach much like his to get domestic issues back on track. It's just the foreign aspects of his policy which trouble me.

We already have socialism in our GOVERNMENT and our anger shows it doesn't work.

Exactly so. That's what originally tipped me off to the originators of this OWS coup. It didn't make sense to go after wall street and leave the government alone, except for ONE reason. That's when I started digging in to it. They don't want to bite their governmental brethren, they want to bring the corporations under that control, and by extension their own control. It's the same strategy I'm advocating, but with a different ultimate master on the other end. I think it should be US, they think it should be THEM. Gaining control of the government is the key to the whole thing. They are already half way there, and aren't about to mess that work up by targeting the government.

It will irk the crap out of them if WE target the government. They then have to split their forces to run to the defense of the government, and maintain pressure on the corporations at the same time, or they lose net ground. If we gain some of their forces by convincing the OWS people how the game is played, well, too bad for them. They have fewer people to split off for the two pronged offensive they have to engage in.

I personally think it would be funny as hell to see how they tried to squirm out of their sudden defense of what they've been talking crap about for so long - i.e. the government.

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Normally I'm not big on the Beatles, ever since Lennon came out with "Imagine". I don't want to imagine anything, I want to see concrete results. There's a saying back home - "crap in one hand and wish in the other, and see which one fills up first."

HOWEVER...

This part of the song you posted resonated with me, so I'll re-quote it with some emphasis from me:

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow

Yeah! That's what I just said above, but they said it prettier!

One other thought in regards to the "stuff" being used to control issue, and then I'll stop spamming your thread with my mega-posts.. or at least I'll try to...

Whether one believes in a religion or not, there are nuggets of wisdom to be found strewn here and there among all of them. Here's an example. Don't read it for religion, read it for wisdom.

In the Christian's Bible, there is a story of a rich kid who wanted to join the Disciples. I don't know, maybe it was a fad thing. Anyhow, Jesus tells him to sell all his "stuff", then he can come follow him. Well, the kid drops his head and walks off sad, because he had a lot of "stuff".

Jesus KNEW what that connection was. He KNEW who was free and who was the slave in that situation.

And he KNEW what created that slavery to begin with.

/end dragging religion in to the discussion.

Very awesome thoughts dude. Thanks for contributing.

The only part I think I have finally believed is that we need to Give Peace A Chance. Its sounds corny but this is what we are coming to. We see how war is used for profit now. That's why our leaders go to war. OWS is in a way like the 60's again except the target is Corporate and Government greed and we see how they drain the population institutionally. We out number them so its going to be a very quick war if it came down to it. We are almost saying, "why do we need you, the government, if you screw up so bad all the time?". Can't even balance a checkbook.

I don't think, IN AMERICA, they can convince our police and military to kill us. Like you said, they are attempting to manipulate the police/military to control our "revolt". They are quelling it on both sides. But what if it started looking like the end of V for Vendetta where everyone walks calmly by the police forces. People could start hugging the police? Maybe? Its possible. As long as they truly sympathize with us.

John Lennon use to speak of peace and I think I see what he means now. How it can actually be attained. Through Civil Disobedience like Ghandhi and MLK. That's how police will side with us. The police hold up the 1%'s laws. What happens when they stop upholding the laws that protect them?

That's why I think its gonna be alright........

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I would love nothing more than to see a massive outbreak of peace. I don't think it will happen any time soon, probably not within our lifetimes, simply because there are too many people around who feel an inordinate need to control everyone else, and that will always be met with resistance.

I tend to think in militaristic term simply because I've been fighting one thing or another nearly all my life. I'm here to tell you, that gets wearisome. I would MUCH rather have nothing more to watch out for than whether the leaves are changing color just a bit too early or a tad too late in any given year, from a rocker on my front porch.

Drop my guard? Naw, that ain't never going to happen, just because I've been so conditioned to it. It would sure be nice to relax it a bit, though!

Perhaps some day, people will be secure enough in themselves to not feel that overpowering need to control someone else. When that day comes, people like me, the ones who stay in a constant state of red alert, always watching for the Next Big Thing, will be obsolete.

To tell you the truth, we'll be damned glad of it!

Originally posted by nenothtu
One other thought in regards to the "stuff" being used to control issue, and then I'll stop spamming your thread with my mega-posts.. or at least I'll try to...

Whether one believes in a religion or not, there are nuggets of wisdom to be found strewn here and there among all of them. Here's an example. Don't read it for religion, read it for wisdom.

In the Christian's Bible, there is a story of a rich kid who wanted to join the Disciples. I don't know, maybe it was a fad thing. Anyhow, Jesus tells him to sell all his "stuff", then he can come follow him. Well, the kid drops his head and walks off sad, because he had a lot of "stuff".

Jesus KNEW what that connection was. He KNEW who was free and who was the slave in that situation.

And he KNEW what created that slavery to begin with.

/end dragging religion in to the discussion.

edit on 2011/10/16 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)

Spamming my thread ???? My friend you and Freedom have made this a thread. Continue as you like til satisfied .
Wheather or not you realise it. I see something very cool in your exchanges.