It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
See answrer above. Secondly the Federal Constitution states anything not specifically spelled out for the federal government, is reserved to the states. The law you ar referring to is a state law. How exactly then was your right violated since the consitution was followed?
Originally posted by Grambler
reply to post by popsmayhem
Al Awaki lost his 6th amendment right. American citizen executed with no trial.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Not really since his actions were clearly established under immigration laws about his citizenship. Secondly, if we stick with your argument and his citizenship, a person who points a gun at someone can be shot and killed, regardless if that perosn pulls the trigger first.
Self defense is valid in both civilian and military law, and both view it the same way. Pre-emptive action can be taken to end a threat.
If you want to argue its a 6th amendment violation thats cool with me, but all law and case law to date doesnt support that position.
Originally posted by Grambler
Originally posted by Xcathdra
See answrer above. Secondly the Federal Constitution states anything not specifically spelled out for the federal government, is reserved to the states. The law you ar referring to is a state law. How exactly then was your right violated since the consitution was followed?
Vegitation in California. Not mentioned in the constitution so left up to the states, California said it was legal, but the feds still come in and make arrests and shut people down.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Grambler
He was killed with a drone strike right?
It wasn't about him being dangerous it was about how it looks to have an American on their side. And it doesn't justify killing him without a trial.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Xcathdra
Side note. Isn't it absolutely retarded that we can't reference drugs on this site even if it is for education and understanding.
I get it with people condoning drug use even though I wouldn't consider this a kid's site really (there was a page with video's of a guy jamming stuff into gadaffi's ass for god's sake.), but in conversations like this there should be no problem.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
People dont agree with that and thats fine, but it doesnt negate the fact that a State law allowing, and a federal law disallowing, falls under the supremacy clause, making Federal law supreme by trumping state law. Also the enforcement is by Federal officers, not state law enforcement, so the only enforcement is from the federal side.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss. If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose. If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun-Tzu -
My point is not to embarrass anyone or act like im superior. I just get tired of seeing people comment that the government takes something from them, then when asked about specifics, they bumble through, eventually making an argument that supports the reason it was taken away.
Originally posted by CherubBaby
I will give you another example. How about Our rights as American citizens to have the money spent by the Govt.
spent in an honest way for a change and not on multiple secret and unauthorized programs that are illegal and unconstitutional?
Originally posted by CherubBaby
Lastly, I have a question for you. Do you think you have lost any of your rights?
I don't need anything but a straight answer. Maybe todayedit on 26-10-2011 by CherubBaby because: (no reason given)
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by Xcathdra
Thanks for your response. I will tell you what active participation it's going to take. 1,000,000 people in front of the White House and Capitol saying we aren't going to put up with it anymore. I know all about LEO and Have an honorable ( USMC ) ...But then you probably know that.