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Originally posted by backinblack
Man, myself and many others sure do get a laugh out of your posts..
Originally posted by backinblack
Amazing though how you still managed to draw Hamas into the thread, then again it ain't really..
Originally posted by backinblack
As for answering you, I did..
Originally posted by backinblack
Learn to read and comprehend as you keep telling me and many others..
Originally posted by backinblack
I said I'd have to research the US "freedom of speech" to see if it was still a right..
Did you miss that post??
Originally posted by backinblack
As for staying on topic, that's pretty hard when the thread author keeps changing it..
Originally posted by backinblack
Lastly, what's "trool"?
trool: a person who enters a blog comments conversation with the intent to hijack it or divert it from it's subject and tone but does so in such a clumsy, clueless manner as to provoke laughter and derision rather than humorless animosity. etymology: the word, trool, was "invented" a few months ago as a result of careless typing. it proved to be an immediate hit amongst commenters at firedoglake from which it seems to have spread virally.
Originally posted by backinblack
Lastly again, I'm over this crap, ciao till we meet again..
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by Dav1d
All of which are rights we have. The point behind my post was to point out a lack of knowledge people have when it comes to their rights, how those rights work / are applied, the various levels of government and how they work etc.
Kind of roundabout way of exposing imo a major problem. People are upset with goveernment over many things, and constantly state they want change. Change of that magnitude wont come from the government, but the people. If the people dont know the baisc on our government and rights, then how can one even pinpoint the problem, let alone offer suggestions to fix things, if they arent familiar with the blueprints?
Trying to fix something of this magnitude without being familiar with it can cause more damage, and continued refusal to participate in the system at all levels dosnt help either.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
I'm telling you, reign it in or it will get worse.
You are a police officer so you probably can't see it from most people's point of view, but you honestly can't deny that are rights are being taken away.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
You got stuck on the patriot act and infiltration stuff, but what about the other things I posted on?
The government is using police and "law" to control every aspect of our life.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
So what if a farmer wants to sell unpasteurized milk or goat cheese? And so what if someone wants to buy it and eat it. Lots of people do, the person selling it (mostly amish) are doing it for money so they aren't selling bad stuff. The government is over stepping their bounds to "protect" us, but that is exactly the same as the infiltration argument they are stripping away our right to choose what we eat and taking something away that makes people happy to "protect" them. Next will be roadside fruit and vegetable stands, because they don't know what bug spray was used or if it was exposed to contaminated soil/water.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
We do have rights that are being stripped away. It is impossible to deny.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
We lose are right to privacy and unlawful search and seizure.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
They impede on our right to fly (yes, we DO have a right to fly, at least according to law).
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
It goes on and on.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
The other day I read about cops going to a school and locking it down (telling the kids the school had an intruder in it) so they could sniff out all the lockers and backpacks with dogs. They didn't find anything so the cops are taking heat, but had they found anything it would have been a success.
Originally posted by Dav1d
Good I'm glad you acknowledge that we have a 'right' to;
Right to a fair and public trial conducted in a competent manner
Right to be present at the trial
Right to an impartial jury
Right to be heard in one's own defense
As Obama has taken these rights away from us! I believe the right to a public trial, and the right to be heard in ones own defense, as well as being present at that trial are rather significant!
Welcome to our new America...
Originally posted by Ookie
It is probably too late to give any sort of decent comment, but I feel compelled.
Originally posted by Ookie
How do I define a right? A right is something you can do without asking permission or worry of being arrested. Anything that requires a permit (permission) is not a right. Everything not banned by law or required to get a permit or a right.
Originally posted by Ookie
So what rights have I lost?
Pretty much ALL of them. I can't fish, go anywhere in a car, build a house, start a fire, own a gun, carry a gun, grow plants of my choosing, ride my motorcycle, wander the woods, hunt, dig arrowheads, collect ginseng and moss, camp, go four wheeling, have a yard sale, shoot my gun on my property, and many, many more.
Originally posted by Ookie
These are RIGHTS I have lost because they ALL require a permit or license or are illegal. I have to ask permission and pay a fee in order to do any of them except start a fire. No fee for that permit. Asking permission means you can be told no. If you can be told no there is no right to do a thing. I do most of those things without asking and I know I can go to prison for doing them. But yet I still feel I have my rights and no man can force me to ask if it is ok. There is principal involved here and if you're not willing to go to jail for principals, then you have none.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Xcathdra
And we end another debate with your usual large post of twisted,insulting BS..
At least you're consistent..
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by Dav1d
Good I'm glad you acknowledge that we have a 'right' to;
Right to a fair and public trial conducted in a competent manner
Right to be present at the trial
Right to an impartial jury
Right to be heard in one's own defense
As Obama has taken these rights away from us! I believe the right to a public trial, and the right to be heard in ones own defense, as well as being present at that trial are rather significant!
Welcome to our new America...
With accusations from people who have no clue what their talking about tends to cloud these threads. I am in favor of restricting government authority and protecting the rights of the people. What I am trying to point out is if people arent familiar with the laws, their rights, how government works, then how can they expect to preotect their rights?
Any person can rattle off a list of their rights. If they dont understand those rights and how they work, let alone where to find them in certain documents, how can one make an intelligent and compelling argument to make their case for change?
People need to ask themselves - If these rights are important to me, and the government is trying to take them away, then shouldnt I know as much as possible about them and the government to beat them?
Originally posted by Dav1d
So I understand you are a member of law enforcement, is that correct?
Originally posted by Dav1d
If so what are you doing to go after a president that has assumed the right to assassinate US citizens?
Originally posted by Dav1d
Citizens who have never been publicly tried and convicted, who have not had an opportunity to be at their trial, who have not been given a chance to put on a defense.
Originally posted by Dav1d
To big a bird to go after? Then how about your congressman who has taken an oath to uphold the constitution? That congress has fail to attempt to impeach is a failure to uphold their oath.
Originally posted by ownbestenemy
I understand your "intent" and where the argument and discussion is at now. But in order to even proceed with that discussion, we have to know where all parties are coming from in terms of Rights and how they see they have lost them.
Originally posted by ownbestenemy
I understand your "intent" and where the argument and discussion is at now. But in order to even proceed with that discussion, we have to know where all parties are coming from in terms of Rights and how they see they have lost them.
wow.. you are lost, but thats fine man.
Originally posted by ownbestenemy
Okay...since you just spent your entire thread highlighting exactly what I stated up there. Except you think we need to defend our Rights to the State, the Government or some form of authority.
Whereas my argument is the State, Government should have to defend their position when they infringe upon all Rights held by the People.edit on 25-10-2011 by ownbestenemy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Xcathdra
Yes.. the law is infringing on people rights when the go into amish farms and pour out all of their milk and confiscate their cheese and etc.
That is infringing on their rights. Regardless of whatever law they may think justifies it.
and on freedom of flying:
codes.lp.findlaw.com...