Good for you.
A nice clean reply, direct and to the point.
Way to go.

Originally posted by drivers1492
Plants react to the environment but lack a mind, or consciousness which is one thing I have always thought would be necessary for the drive to make changes. So, either the mind is not necessary or awareness is not what I perceive it to be. So what would drive a plant to make a wing to its seed? How does it know this is the best way to distribute itself?
Yes I understand how the seed seems to benefit dispersion. My questioning is why or how would these changes take place to make said seed. It may actually come down to the driving force of evolution and how exactly these changes are spawned or the reasoning behind them. That would be what I am looking to understand.
Originally posted by kalamatas
Hiking a few months back, I marveled at the ability of poison oak to mimic leaf patters and all over structure of it's surrounding plants in order to camouflage itself. How in the heck does it know what the other plant next to it looks like? This has made me wonder as well about the "consciousness" of plants and how they "know".
Originally posted by drivers1492
reply to post by JiggyPotamus
Take that for example. A flower by chance has a mutation that makes them look like a bee. Thats the kind of thing that makes me think that it may be more driven than we realize.
Originally posted by ShortMemory
The sheer overwhelming diversity of plant and animal life throughout the history of earth makes me lean toward something were not understanding yet. Although I could be very wrong.
I think you forget the gazillions of not-perfect species that have become extinct over time. I don't think they died because they wanted to.![]()
well i think in a lot of cases yes, of course some animals would probably be able to influence mutation with thought.
Only to the level of "Nom nom, this uranium looks tasty!". You have absolutely no way to affect the outcome of mutations in your body.edit on 15/10/11 by Thain Esh Kelch because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by drivers1492
reply to post by ShortMemory
Yes I understand how the seed seems to benefit dispersion. My questioning is why or how would these changes take place to make said seed. It may actually come down to the driving force of evolution and how exactly these changes are spawned or the reasoning behind them. That would be what I am looking to understand.
Consciousness... is one thing I have always thought would be necessary for the drive to make changes.
So, either the mind is not necessary or awareness is not what I perceive it to be.
Basically the idea that a need for change to make life better or easier for an organism may happen because it is aware it is needed and the dna alters on the offspring due to the need.
the genetics respond to the awareness for that need for change.