The final battle for Iraq is about to begin... could lead to war with Iran

Every side is preparing themselves.

On one side, you have the shia (mainly Iran and 60% of Iraq's population) :

The Iranians' "Special Groups" -- Kataeb Hezbollah, the Promised Day Brigades and Asaib Ahl al-Haq -- were created in 2007 to wage a proxy war on Tehran's behalf against the Americans and their Iraqi allies.

They have 3 goals :

"First, it has sought to unite the country's Shiite parties so they can translate their demographic weight -- an estimated 60 percent of Iraq's population -- into political influence, thereby creating a government amenable to Tehran.

"Second, Iran has supported shaky governing coalitions, positions itself to be an influential external power broker when the need for mediation arises.

"Third, Tehran has sought to prevent non-Islamist parties from gaining power. To that end, it has also worked to marginalize secular nationalist factions and leaders," the institute noted.

And on the other, you have the sunnis (Saudi Arabia, 40% of Iraq's population, Al-CIAda) :

On the Sunni side, a resurgent, third-generation al-Qaida in Iraq and the Baathist Jaish Rijal al-Tariq al-Naqshabandi, or JRTN, are leading a revival of Sunni militancy that feeds on Sunni fears of Shiite and Iranian repression.

AQI (or Al-Qaida Iraq branch... probably funded and trained by Saudi Arabia) and JTR (Army of the Men of the Naqshabandiya Order) led by Saddam Hussein's former henchman Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri.

And of course in the middle of this, you have America.

As the government dithers on the thorny issue of allowing U.S. troops to stay on after the Dec. 31 withdrawal deadline

Even if the US ends up leaving Iraq (unlikely) IMO it won't be long before the fights starts again in Iraq. Probably civil war. And of course America will support Al-CIAda/sunnis... like they did in the past when they put Saddam in power.

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Whatever the outcome, it's gonna be a big big big mess with thousands of dead, perhaps more.

If the US doesn't leave Iraq, still, the sunnis have vowed to start attacking US troops...

So 2012 will be hot in Iraq, bet on it. Wouldn't surprise me if Obama does another ``surge``... and/or blame Iran for killing US troops and then it'll be what pushes the US to attack Iran.

Well apparently the US will leave... so it'll be a Sunni-Shiite /Iran-Saudi Arabia fight in Iraq.

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The U.S. is abandoning plans to keep U.S. troops in Iraq past a year-end withdrawal deadline, The Associated Press has learned. The decision to pull out fully by January will effectively end more than eight years of U.S. involvement in the Iraq war, despite ongoing concerns about its security forces and the potential for instability.

I wonder how long it will take for one group to fully attack the other...

Apparently the report was false and the US ain't leaving Iraq.

So the US troops are gonna be in the middle of this.

US military denies decision to quit Iraq after 2011

The Pentagon denied reports Saturday that the US military has given up on plans to keep several thousand troops in Iraq after a year-end deadline, saying talks with Baghdad were still underway.

US and Iraq officials have been negotiating a possible American military training mission of about 4,000 troops after 2011, but a dispute over legal protections for the US forces has jeopardized the security agreement.

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama called for a ``surge`` in Iraq before the end of 2012.

The US is building the world's largest embassy in Iraq, costing billions of dollars and housing thousands of people. It's a permanent building.

The US is NEVER leaving Iraq. The embassy proves it.

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You are totally right. By ``leaving``, I meant at least keep US personnel to a minimum there... not keep 50 000 soldiers.

Iran The New Libya

Originally posted by Abney
The US is building the world's largest embassy in Iraq, costing billions of dollars and housing thousands of people. It's a permanent building.

The US is NEVER leaving Iraq. The embassy proves it.

A nice hideout for CIA OP's and oil executives/tycoons to be on the frontline.

This whole planet needs to be smashed by a large meteor or something to show how insignificant we truly are. War is stupid, the leaders of the west (i.e America, UK, France etc) are only in this for the money from the oil and most probably the bankers to create another banking system there.
My date prediction is October 29th ... I'm out.... Screw these evil f***s let em go on the front line for no reason and die for no reason.

Wow, Sunni /#e
I still got their 1st record;
'I got you babe.


Just trying to add a happy note to Global misery

Sheesh we have embassies all over the world.

So now you are going to say that all the Marines at those embassies, are there to take over and hold those countries too?

Not to mention that any combat troops there will have support troops there as well.

Enlarged embassy force:
1 company, 120-130 member primary guard force. (Combat trained, Marines most likely.) (1 platoon on, 2 off duty, 1 on quick reaction force, HQ Platoon.)
Signal platoon - Satellite + microwave + internet+local radio operators.
Medical platoon (Embassy hospital/clinic, some civilian doctors primary, military corpsmen/nurses. Dental unit.)
Intelligence Platoon(s) (1-2)
Motor Pool Support 1Platoon + POL (Mechanics + pol specialists.)
Drivers, may come from guard force.
Food Services, might be contracted out. IF the region stabilizes.
Specialty K-9 unit for bomb detection/ patrolling.
Plus what ever might else be needed.

Then you can add in embassy staff.

Sheesh, I'm sure if you asked the Marines or other grunts on ATS you would have figured this out by now.

This isn't a conspiracy, its an embassy force. Every country where we have an embassy has a lighter or heavier force, depending on political environments. Calling it anything but a embassy force, is stupid. Yes there will always be boots on the ground at embassies.

Trying to insinuate that it will be an occupying force is ignorance. Deny some.

M

Good reply on the embassy force, and the Iraq embassy will probably have at least that large of a security force.

What I have been wondering is if the US was still keeping a Brigade in Kuwait? Ever since Desert Storm there was at least one (if not 2 or 3) heavy brigade sets of equipment stored just outside of Kuwait City. Normally at least part of an Army brigade would rotate through for 6 or 9 months. there may have been a few time frames where it just set in the warehouses, but usually at least part of the equipment had men rotating through to train in the desert and let Saddam know we still cared (at least twice, 94 and 97? he sent several Republican Guard Armor units down to the border of Kuwait forcing us to man that equipment). The brigade sets are how we deployed in 2003 to the region so much quicker then in 1990/91. I think there might have been some in Saudi as well, but I think we are completely out of there.

So even if we leave Iraq do we still have a ground presence in the region?

Personally as much as I would like to see us out of there. If the Iraqi's are cool with it, I think a 12,000 or so person presence (say one reinforced Brigade Combat team, A fighter s,quadron support units, and trainers for the Iraqi's) ought to stay there to make sure the region doesn't go to hell after all we have invested in it. Also this would help offset Iran. Welcome to Iraq.....the new Germany.

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Even if the US ends up leaving Iraq (unlikely) IMO it won't be long before the fights starts again in Iraq

It really amazes me.

Americans feel guilty about civil war in Iraq , while they didn't have the right to invade Iraq. Bombarding Baghdad , Basra and major cities day and night , bringing chaos to Iraq , .... etc.

This is because they feel superior and they think that they should attack other countries and do what they wish.

Democracy is just another word for hypocrisy and we deny it.

The fact is :

We still love you American people , from Iraqis with love

Looks like my own hypothesis/question got answered. Build up in the Gulf, ground combat troops to Kuwait.

www.nytimes.com...