KC bishop charged for not bringing porn to police

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
Get rid of the corrupt catholic church - what does this church believe in? The sainted Virgin Mary. And she would cry at all the sins of that church.

Jesus? He would want nothing to do with that church.

God? He wants nothing to do with that church also.

I exhort you to get out of that church. Go and read Ezekiel, who came to me - the Catholic church is damned.

Quote Ezekiel and prove to me the catholic church is damned. Because it's apparent to me it is the church that Christ established. Many Catholics will be damned because they don't practice what they preach and they make others turn their backs to God. Just research about the many errors of protestantism and how they change doctrine to be acceptable by the world.

Originally posted by 547000
There would be so many people defending Islam if they were accused of violence in this thread and say "don't generalize", but because it's the catholic church they will not say "don't generalize" and apply the same standard here.

I think that's a valid point and that's why I said I think there are many good priests, because I am concerned about some people making comments in this thread that overgeneralize all Catholics or Catholic priests in general.

Too bad you can't find the statistics anymore because I'd be interested in them. Do you recall about what they were?

And since you brought up Islam, I do hold Islam and Catholicism to the same standard...in both cases they not only need to speak out against but also take action against the evil-doers in their ranks* whether they be terrorists or child abusers. And both could do a better job of this in my opinion.

*(By taking action against the evil-doers, I mean identifying them and turning them in to authorities, I don't mean vigilante justice).

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I think the percentage-wise statistics for Protestants were higher, and it said that it was harder to go open and report those cases for some reason. It was months ago, so I don't remember all the details. But if you are better at google than me you will find them.

But it's not just Christianity. Pretty much all religions have the same kind of problems.
Schools are worse

I know this doesn't apply to all....but I think that the reason the Catholic Church has such a problem with this type of BS is because of the unnatural way they must live.... I have always thought that the fact that Catholic priests and Nuns have to be celibate is not natural. They are still men and women, and have the same feelings as any man or woman will. They try to repress their sexual urges but some cannot. They can't really make moves on adult men or women because the risk of being caught. So they sexually abuse children because they can intimidate them into remaining quiet about it. The children are just easy to manipulate so they won't be found out. Sure, some are pedophiles, but I think it is the sexual repression which makes some fall into it. It makes me sick the the church doesn't see this and change things. The Catholic religion is very strange overall to me....I am so sick of hearing this...it's like a bunch of guys trying to live an unnatural life, and can't do it, so they commit acts like this, and cover for each other. Sounds kind of like the mob!

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shame on all of you kooks

Originally posted by Observer99
However, when the filthy pervert downloads and views the image we don't approve of, didn't pay for it and didn't share it, no one was harmed or affected other than him/her. The only justification of punishment in that case is for punishing what you think he/she might do. Therefore, punishing him for it is punishment of thoughtcrime.

so, you agree that it is a crime to produce and distribute child pronography but not a crime to view it?

In order to view it, someone has to produce it and someone has to distribute it. If you eliminate the end user, there is no need to produce it and no need to distribute it.

Plus, the rationale that viewing it isn't harming anyone and, therefore, should make it legal is inane.

to be able to view child pronography, some form of media, either video or photgraphic, needs to be produced and this means at least one child needs to be harmed in the process.

you can try and find ways to justify looking at child pornography but you will never be able to eliminate the harming of children.

Originally posted by 547000

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
Get rid of the corrupt catholic church - what does this church believe in? The sainted Virgin Mary. And she would cry at all the sins of that church.

Jesus? He would want nothing to do with that church.

God? He wants nothing to do with that church also.

I exhort you to get out of that church. Go and read Ezekiel, who came to me - the Catholic church is damned.

Quote Ezekiel and prove to me the catholic church is damned. Because it's apparent to me it is the church that Christ established. Many Catholics will be damned because they don't practice what they preach and they make others turn their backs to God. Just research about the many errors of protestantism and how they change doctrine to be acceptable by the world.

I don't think you know much of the TRUE history of the Catholic Church or you would not think it was established by Jesus.

Originally posted by Observer99
Shock and disgust are also not substitutes for reason.

I'm sure you are female, and as such probably don't even understand the male need to look at any kind of porn. I would not state that porn is not potentially dangerous to ones' sexual health; nevertheless, I support people's freedom to LOOK at what they want and subsequently THINK what they want. I would also support the heroin addict's choice to put heroin into his body, even though my personal belief is that drugs are stupid and disgusting.

I've already shot down your argument of "harm based on viewing" so now you resort to emotional arguments bereft of reason.

See, the thing about freedom of choice is that sometimes people will make the wrong choice. The basis of law and punishment is proving harm to other individuals. In this case, harm can be proven in terms of the creators and distributors, but NOT the viewers.

Anyway, all these academic arguments over the rights of subgroups of people vilified by the state for their personal choices of what to put into their bodies and minds, means little anymore. Soon, none of us will have any rights left at all. That probably comforts you. Freedom, by its very nature, is contrary to safety. I'm sure the TSA will protect our children (ROFL!)

I think you have a unrealistic view of Men. All the men i know abhor both child predictors, pornography with children or anyone else. This is NOT just a woman's view and as you pointed out, it has been shown to be harmful to the persons consuming this trash.
The only man I ever knew into porn..not children.. cried when I confronted him about it, he said it had ruined his life and that he had never been able to feel satisfied with any women after becoming addicted to porn as a boy.

The serial murder that recently had a interview on an ATS thread said he started his crimes after becoming addicted to porn as a kid and it led him to feel the need to act.
Child porn is not "innocently viewed" by anyone! it leads to feelings of lust that eventually lead to actions.

Originally posted by 547000

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
Get rid of the corrupt catholic church - what does this church believe in? The sainted Virgin Mary. And she would cry at all the sins of that church.

Jesus? He would want nothing to do with that church.

God? He wants nothing to do with that church also.

I exhort you to get out of that church. Go and read Ezekiel, who came to me - the Catholic church is damned.

Quote Ezekiel and prove to me the catholic church is damned. Because it's apparent to me it is the church that Christ established. Many Catholics will be damned because they don't practice what they preach and they make others turn their backs to God. Just research about the many errors of protestantism and how they change doctrine to be acceptable by the world.

People can change. God is going to go all out to touch hearts closed to His Church, the RCC. The personalized Great Warning is going happen "soon" says Heaven. Don't listen any longer to anti-Catholic talk or writing.

The "continual sacrifice" in the book of Daniel is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The anti-Christ is going to abolish the Eucharist. This is the "abomination of desolation" spoken of in Daniel. If the Holy Eucharist isn't true why would the anti-Christ take it out?

Remember, remember, okay? Be part of the Remnant, I don't care your
background, say yes to God at the time of the Great Warning.


I like your reply 547000,


colbe

Originally posted by Char-Lee

Originally posted by 547000

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
Get rid of the corrupt catholic church - what does this church believe in? The sainted Virgin Mary. And she would cry at all the sins of that church.

Jesus? He would want nothing to do with that church.

God? He wants nothing to do with that church also.

I exhort you to get out of that church. Go and read Ezekiel, who came to me - the Catholic church is damned.

Quote Ezekiel and prove to me the catholic church is damned. Because it's apparent to me it is the church that Christ established. Many Catholics will be damned because they don't practice what they preach and they make others turn their backs to God. Just research about the many errors of protestantism and how they change doctrine to be acceptable by the world.

I don't think you know much of the TRUE history of the Catholic Church or you would not think it was established by Jesus.

If the Catholic Church is not the true church I don't think there is a true church. Jesus appointed Peter to lead the people while He was gone. The pope is not worshiped, but followed, because authority was given to them until Christ returns. Many times what they say is wise, but the people have other philosophies, so they don't see wisdom in what they say. I suggest you do research on protestantism to open your mind.

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Hi 547,

I would love to quote Ezekiel but I am still wading through what happened and it is very difficult.

Basically, God said to Ezekiel "Go and tell those people I am very angry with their behaviour." Then it was the jews, now I believe it applies to all people.

And God told Ezekiel that if he could not fix people, he would be damned as well.

Pretty harsh.

But I am telling you that Ezekiel would have thrown the Catholic church down the drain.

Because what do we get with the Catholic church?

1. Many cases of abuse of innocent children.

2. The worship of images/idols (forbidden in the bible).

3. Many hypocrites confessing their sins, and then repeating them.

And let me tell you, I believe that all churches are full of hypocrites, so I am not only against the Roman Catholic church.

If you are interested, read Ezekiel.

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That's the spiritual state of all churches, not just the catholic ones. And Catholics do not worship idols. They may venerate religious artifacts, but they do not think God is inside statues. Did some angel come to you in a dream? Or are you just acting as your own theologian?

Originally posted by StealthyKat
I know this doesn't apply to all....but I think that the reason the Catholic Church has such a problem with this type of BS is because of the unnatural way they must live.... I have always thought that the fact that Catholic priests and Nuns have to be celibate is not natural. They are still men and women, and have the same feelings as any man or woman will. They try to repress their sexual urges but some cannot. They can't really make moves on adult men or women because the risk of being caught. So they sexually abuse children because they can intimidate them into remaining quiet about it. The children are just easy to manipulate so they won't be found out. Sure, some are pedophiles, but I think it is the sexual repression which makes some fall into it. It makes me sick the the church doesn't see this and change things. The Catholic religion is very strange overall to me....I am so sick of hearing this...it's like a bunch of guys trying to live an unnatural life, and can't do it, so they commit acts like this, and cover for each other. Sounds kind of like the mob!

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Abstinence is not a reason for pedophilia....and if you look closely at the private lives of pedophile priests you will most likely find that they are having sex with older men as well..(such as other priests)

Many many married men are also pedophiles..so being able to have sex is not the issue in why they are attracted to younger people.

These issues got far deeper than abstinence...and often have their roots in the priests childhood, where he was exposed to abuse himself, then grew up having sex with other boys and men, and joined the priesthood to be a part of the 'boys club"...often encouraged and recruited by older priests.

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And God told Ezekiel that if he could not fix people, he would be damned as well.

Is that statement for real? Could you please show me the bible verse where that is from?

If that is in the bible, it will truly disappoint me....because if God is expecting a human to do what He seems incapable of, seems awfully unfair that the human should be damned for it.

If the Catholic Church is not the true church I don't think there is a true church. Jesus appointed Peter to lead the people while He was gone. The pope is not worshiped, but followed, because authority was given to them until Christ returns. Many times what they say is wise, but the people have other philosophies, so they don't see wisdom in what they say. I suggest you do research on protestantism to open your mind.

I spent many years researching religions of all kinds..I have read many versions of the bible through multiple times...my conclusion like you said "no true church".
it is a power grabbing money grabbing operation.

Jesus did not want power (remember he turned down Satan offer of power here on earth who owned it to offer) and he said his followers would not...he did not suggest storing up treasure for yourself here on earth and he let no one bow before him and pray to him.
He did not wear 500$ shoes while his followers starved. He used donations for living expense then the total of the left over was given to the poor...he did not say to build or buy buildings but to go and preach with just the cloths you wear and take jobs as needed to live. Can you put the gold and treasure cover cathedrals into context of Jesus? No!
You must go to the root, to the original books (tablets and scrolls) see what they said and what was used to produce the religions you know today and when and WHY.
To each their own road and conclusions...

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Yes, that's true. But what I meant is that many may not be true pedophiles, but rather seek out the less risky of the alternatives. In otherwords, a man who is a priest, has taken a vow of celibacy. However, still having the same hormones as any male, he still has sexual urges. It would be easier to manipulate a child into being quiet. Yes, most of the are probably are true pedophiles....but I do think that in some cases, it's a sexually repressed male who comes upon an opportunity with someone he has absolute power over, and is not likely to "tell". I'm having trouble putting into words what I'm trying to say. I agree with you, I'm just saying that I think it's not natural the way they have to live, and for some, it can lead them to acts they might normally not commit. I hate it when I can't find the words to express what I mean

Given that the conversation within this thread has turned to religion and church has anyone viewed anything called Vatican Assassins?

There are lots of resources out there that expose the Catholic church for its history of manipulating people - slaughtering millions - aiding war efforts - satanic rituals and practices. For instance I have learned that the inverted cross - sometimes seen on the throne that the Pope sits on is a black/satanic magic symbol. Knit into that the masonic/cabal/illuminati/whatever connection. The bent crucifix that the Pope sometimes carries is also a black/satanic magic symbol - essentially ridiculing the suffering of Christ.

All you have to do then is realise that paedophile behaviour will occur because sex and Children - as nauseating as this is for me to write - is also very much a part of black magic and satanic worship.

Children are so innocent and no one has the right to harm them. The psychological damage alone is one I cannot even begin to imagine.

Much Peace...

Originally posted by Amanda5
Given that the conversation within this thread has turned to religion and church has anyone viewed anything called Vatican Assassins?

There are lots of resources out there that expose the Catholic church for its history of manipulating people - slaughtering millions - aiding war efforts - satanic rituals and practices. For instance I have learned that the inverted cross - sometimes seen on the throne that the Pope sits on is a black/satanic magic symbol. Knit into that the masonic/cabal/illuminati/whatever connection. The bent crucifix that the Pope sometimes carries is also a black/satanic magic symbol - essentially ridiculing the suffering of Christ.

All you have to do then is realise that paedophile behaviour will occur because sex and Children - as nauseating as this is for me to write - is also very much a part of black magic and satanic worship.

Children are so innocent and no one has the right to harm them. The psychological damage alone is one I cannot even begin to imagine.

Much Peace...

Amanda,

Excuse me, how do your comments bring "any" peace let alone "Much Peace?"

I want you to be specific instead of generalizing, that's what happens when you
post a . Who are the "millions" Catholics have slaughtered? Have you ever
heard of a man named Schindler, his war effort? Be specific, do you mean the Catholic hospitals and Catholic Charities who have helped the victims of war? There are no satanic rituals in Catholicism, quite the opposite, they are rituals God loves. Believe it or not there are holy and sacred rituals that please God.
They are part of the worship God requests.

Come up with something new to object to Amanda. The "upside down" cross
is old. Do you realize, Jesus made Peter leader of His Church in Matthew 16:18.
Makes sense, being leader of the Apostles. Peter felt unworthy to be crucified like our Lord, he requested to be crucified upside down! It's a special honor, to be reminded how the first Pope was martyred. There were many to follow Peter.

Speaking of crosses, a crucifix is used in the rite of exorcism not a cross. Satan is not bothered by an empty cross. God wants us to remember his suffering, do
you see? Purchase a crucifix. The empty cross came along so those rejecting
the faith could further distance themselves from Roman Catholicism.

Satan attacks the priesthood because he believes in the priesthood.

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I always sign off with Much Peace ...it is something I always put effort into maintaining while I learn about my world. In particular all the lies I have been told and all the history that has been hidden from me - among all the war, hate, greed and suffering. It is to remind me it does exist and I sign off as a giving gesture so that others - no matter how angry they might be at my opinions - will know I am not evil .

I refer to Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps - it is well researched and referenced and an all inclusive historical account of the Catholic organisation. Be prepared it is confronting. Catholicism is the religion I know the most about. I was not prepared for what I learned.

Also I have recently learned that the Bible we know is a very much reduced version of what is really the Bible. A very apt description was supplied to me recently as - the complete Bible would reach from your foot to your knee. Many many chapters are missing - purposefully removed so that the populous would not have access to ALL of Gods words.

I encourage you to research if you have not already begun - there is soooooo much we have had hidden from us. I believe that removing chapters from the book of God is a terrible sin & not one I would want on my conscience. Just as Child abuse is evil and repugnant I believe anyone who abuses a Child - is abusing God.

Much Peace

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StealthyKat has figured out the root cause of this child abuse phenomenon. Clearly, obviously - it's the celibate lifestyle they are forced to abide by. A lonely little man who cannot have sex, is completely detached from reality, has no family and knows nothing about family life and values, living in an archaic church with altar boys to help them with their antiquated rituals. Can you see how a sexually backed-up ("horny") man, with the inherent natural instincts to procreate (have sex) would fall victim to their animal desires? There's no escaping sexuality. You cannot repress it, or "sublimate" it, to help you become the ultimate men (and women) of God by devoting your life to "helping" people. Listening to other people confess their sins. Hah! Irony, I love it. Yes, I am sorry to anyone of strong Catholic faith, but you are all in denial if you cannot see that this empire of control and power, that has rampaged across the planet, is something that is positive to human progress. I have spoken rationally and fair, so I trust that this post is not in violation of ATS rules. Perhaps if I inserted the picture of Sinead O'Connor ripping up a picture of the Pope, that would be taking it too far. So I won't.