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People Who Demand Entitlements From The Tax System Are Greedy

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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:28 PM
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I ask this question:

What is the difference between a bank executive who relies on making a profit from the easy money policies of the Federal Reserve banking cartel at the expense of tax payers and a person who demands free health care or schooling paid for at the expense of tax payers?

Further, what is a tax "payer"?

Can a person who works for the government truly "pay" taxes? In other words, if the government did not tax its own employees, and instead simply paid them the same take home pay as their private sector counterparts, would it make any economic difference since government spending would be reduced by the same amount they collect in taxes from their own employees?

Clearly a person who works for the government can never truly "pay" taxes because they are paid from taxes!

Doesn't this mean that those who produce real goods and services that benefit humanity are the only people who really bear the entire burden of the tax system?

Isn't it greed that motivates socialists more so than those who want nothing more than to produce something good for humanity and then sell that good for something of equal value? Why does society consider those who produce to be greedy while those who want something for nothing to be morally just?




posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Not everyone who ask for entitlements are greedy. There are those who we need to take care of. Our elderly and our disabled.

However, there are a far larger number of people on these benefits that do NOT need them. Not only are these people greedy, but they are lazy and slothful. Yeah, the economy is down, but there are jobs out there. I would rather shovel horse manure from Churchill Downs stables before I go on unemployment for any length of time.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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While i understand what you are saying here, im assuming this is kind of a stab at ows who 'want something for nothing', but one must understand that money has no real value, when the system collapses and inflation takes over, it will be essentially worthless. But.
The banks got something for nothing, big bailouts, yet i believe when something is meant to fail, it should fail, instead of being propped up by the tax payers. Wonder how much the FED has loaned out, last i heard was like, 22 trillion dollars? Dont quote me on that, as my memory is fuzzy.
Equality is not asking something for nothing, its asking for a chance to have that something.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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www.abovetopsecret.com... < take a look at the link in this post here, and say that there are jobs again.
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Lots of charts showing the crap thats been going down. High unemployment (its going to get worse), record profits. Its all there.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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Can a person who works for the government truly "pay" taxes?


No and here's why those tax payers who earn their living in the private sector is a self means of wealth and tax revenue generation to those who work for the government gets paid by that private sector injecting new wealth into that system whereas those who get paid by the government is doing nothing more than paying themselves.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a economist to see that the private sector funds the government and when they seek to grow that government they are paying more to themselves and taking more from the private.

And greed is the prime motivation behind socialists it's all about taking from others to pay for someone else who isn't giving back to the host to the point such as where we are current at where more people are consuming than producing which is why this country is failing and the people are failing.

The socialist always runs out of other peoples money their wants always exceed their reach of someone elses wallet and thats why they fail.


edit on 14-10-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by AzureSky
www.abovetopsecret.com... < take a look at the link in this post here, and say that there are jobs again.
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Lots of charts showing the crap thats been going down. High unemployment (its going to get worse), record profits. Its all there.


Look here and find hundreds of thousands of them...

Yes, there are in fact jobs out there.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
Not everyone who ask for entitlements are greedy. There are those who we need to take care of. Our elderly and our disabled.


It is not just the elderly and disabled. No one would argue there care..

People who can work but do not want to, people who have
5 babies and can not take care of them, people who are lifetime deadbeats who know
how to play the system, It is illegal immigrants, welfare recipients, and array of people
who just want something for nothing (like free healthcare) who PAYS for free healthcare?
Free college for all even illegal aliens, who pays for that? No free lunch ANYWHERE..
edit on 14-10-2011 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by DerbyCityLights

Originally posted by AzureSky
www.abovetopsecret.com... < take a look at the link in this post here, and say that there are jobs again.
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Lots of charts showing the crap thats been going down. High unemployment (its going to get worse), record profits. Its all there.


Look here and find hundreds of thousands of them...

Yes, there are in fact jobs out there.


Some people cannot afford to move to a new place to work, they have nothing.
Working 3 jobs is not life, barely able to survive.
i highly doub 9.1% of unemplyed are all just 'lazy', thats delusional.
There are people that cannot find work, if you can find jobs, then start finding jobs for 20,million people



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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You must have missed the last part of my post that you left out of your quotes



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by AzureSky


Some people cannot afford to move to a new place to work, they have nothing.
Working 3 jobs is not life, barely able to survive.
i highly doub 9.1% of unemplyed are all just 'lazy', thats delusional.
There are people that cannot find work, if you can find jobs, then start finding jobs for 20,million people


I just found a couple of hundred thousand of them. Where do you live? I bet I can find them there too. I never said everyone on these benefits were lazy, but a large majority of them are.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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wow comparing someone in poverty to someone who has enough money to support a small city or in some cases a large city...yeah those people living in slum housing are such greedy a holes. Especially the ones that work multiple min wage jobs and still can't get rich, what a bunch of morons. They deserve to live in squalor.
After all its the impoverished own fault for being poor. Cain is so smart, I think everyone should vote for him!

Don't even get me started on the foreclosure whiners. I mean how dare they lose their jobs and stop paying those wonderful job creating banks.

All those foodstamps users, oh my god, what right do they have to eat!!! I really don't think eating should be a right it really is a privilege to be able to eat just like driving. Can't they just dig up some grubs and worms and eat grass.

At least tax payers don't have to pay their heating and cooling. No one should have the right to warmth and cool. Humans always wanting something for nothing. We should ship them off to mines to mine gold for all the HARD working wealthy. You know the wealthy people that make millions and billions off the hard work of lowly paid slaves that depend on government assistance because their employers don't pay them a livable wage so they can take care of themselves and their families. What a bunch of users....wait who are the users? the poor or the wealthy....hmm I just confused myself.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
reply to post by popsmayhem
 


You must have missed the last part of my post that you left out of your quotes


Oh sorry, Different post.
While i admit that not everyone deserves it. There are people out there that just take advantage of the situation. While i do not agree, im unsure of where to really go from here. All i know is, the education sucks, and most of the jobs out there now are min wage (or lower), and everything has gone up in price drastically. Not surprised people cannot survive without government intervention.
Im saying if we shift our paradigm from 'money money money' to 'benefit of humanity' no one would go hungry, and money would not exist, so, it would not be a handout really. It would just be life. Having a home and food without that being determined by your financial status.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
reply to post by popsmayhem
 


You must have missed the last part of my post that you left out of your quotes


Majority rules, Most people who ask for entitlements ARE greedy.
That was the point.. Also the point of the OP.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Actually, tax payers DO have to pay for some of the heating and cooling bills.

And if they want to move out of the slums, get an college education and get a job. I came from a family that made $25,000 a year in 1990. I joined the NAVY, did my four years to make sure I was mature enough and responsible enough for college, then went to college and I now work as a Hardware and Test Engineer for a global corp. Don't give me that "they cant do it cause its to hard" crap. I don't buy it for a minute.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
reply to post by popsmayhem
 


You must have missed the last part of my post that you left out of your quotes


Majority rules, Most people who ask for entitlements ARE greedy.
That was the point.. Also the point of the OP.


Just like big banks are entitled to bailouts?



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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Great question and great point (S & F) Unfortunately you make too much sense and will now be bombarded with a bunch of touchy feely, emotionally based comments about how you are a racist and hate poor people.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by mnemeth1
 


Great question and great point (S & F) Unfortunately you make too much sense and will now be bombarded with a bunch of touchy feely, emotionally based comments about how you are a racist and hate poor people.


Just walk into a poor neighbourhood.
See for yourself.
Go see a makeshift camp with people who lost their homes, and jobs, and everything.
If there were jobs, unemployment wouldnt be at great depression levels. Just saying.
Corruption is no joke, fight corruption.


SM2

posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by AzureSky
While i understand what you are saying here, im assuming this is kind of a stab at ows who 'want something for nothing', but one must understand that money has no real value, when the system collapses and inflation takes over, it will be essentially worthless. But.
The banks got something for nothing, big bailouts, yet i believe when something is meant to fail, it should fail, instead of being propped up by the tax payers. Wonder how much the FED has loaned out, last i heard was like, 22 trillion dollars? Dont quote me on that, as my memory is fuzzy.
Equality is not asking something for nothing, its asking for a chance to have that something.


If money has no value, fine, send me all of yours, i will be glad to recycle all that useless crap for you. I am all about equality, but lets face the facts here, I am sorry, but things are equal. Lets take 2 men as an axample. Both come from the same town, the same neighborhood, its a poor neighborhood. They start off on equal footing. man A, decides early in life that he wants to be a neurosurgeon, man B still has not made up his mind what he wants to do. So the years pass by, man a, graduates high school with high marks due to his relentless work ethic and desire to reach his goal. Man b, well, he barely graduated high school, decides he is going to wait on going to college and moves into his mom's basement where he congregates with all of his other friends that have made a similar decision, and they sit around eating doritos and smoking weed (not that I think there is anything wrong with doritos or weed). Well another few years goes by, and Man A has finished his first degree, now onto post grad work and then off to residency at a hospital. He worked hard enough in high school, and spent some time researching,found a school he could afford and has essentially gone to med school for free. State and federal grants and some scholarships were identified by him and he worked to secure them. he has very minimal debt for school as a result. Finally, man B says he has made up his mind, he is going to go to Princeton University for a doctorate degree in underwater basket weaving, he thinks that will make him desirable to the work force.

Years go by, Man A has worked his tail off, he is now a neorsurgeon working for a top hospital, has a beautiful wife, 2 kids, a nice house, 2 cars, and is living well within his means, most of his debt, through careful planning, frugality and hard work have paid off by allowing him to save cash to buy the things he wants, or make a sizeable down payment and obtain a low interest rate, which allowed him to pay more on his loans and get them paid off very early.

Man b however, he is now a Dr of underwater basket weaving, he cant find a single place that needs a submarine waever, he has racked up $100,000 in student loans, still lives in his moms basement, hanging out with friends, smoking weed and talking about how things are so unfair. They decide that Man A is the responsible party, he is the reason they can not find under water basket weaving job and have all this debt from school. So they decide to launch a protest movement to force man a to pay for their debt and give them a free house and pay for their medical bills.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by AzureSky

Just like big banks are entitled to bailouts?





Majority rules, Most people who ask for entitlements ARE greedy.
That was the point.. Also the point of the OP.



Where the hell did I or the OP say the banks are entitled to bailouts>?

Two wrongs WILL NEVER make a right.

So the banks got bailed out
NOW YOU WANT YOUR CUT TOO HUH?

That is greed!!!
Exactly the point of the OP..

NO BETTER then the greedy f'in banks THAT is hypocrisy.
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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by AzureSky

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by mnemeth1
 


Great question and great point (S & F) Unfortunately you make too much sense and will now be bombarded with a bunch of touchy feely, emotionally based comments about how you are a racist and hate poor people.


Just walk into a poor neighbourhood.
See for yourself.
Go see a makeshift camp with people who lost their homes, and jobs, and everything.
If there were jobs, unemployment wouldnt be at great depression levels. Just saying.
Corruption is no joke, fight corruption.


Jobs are created by people like you.

If you want a job, go buy yourself some seeds from Home Depot and start planting. You can then sell the harvest to stores for a profit.

Alternatively, you could spend your time designing some software that solves a business problem, and then sell that on the open market for a profit.

Alternatively, you could buy yourself some hot dogs and buns from the grocery store and build yourself a little push cart, then walk around busy areas selling hot dogs to people for a profit.

There are a million ways to make money that don't involve electing politicians to rob people on your behalf.



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