Extreme Chemtrail-day in Holland! Is anyone else seeing this?

time for the OP to hide in his makeshift tinfoil bomb shelter - they are trying to murder him.

Originally posted by dannymh


Contrails disapear, chemtrails don't !

Chemtrails stay around forever??

Well that busts he myth then - because I bet sooner or later you get a clear sky - so all the chemtrails have cleared - so they were actually contrails!

Actually what I think you mean is that contrails do not last long, and chemtrails do last a long time - depending on what you consider a long time.

I have seen time frames that determine chemtrails to be anything that lasts longer than 20 seconds, 10 minutes, 20, 30, 40 and 60 minutes.

But there is no actual evidence to support this - people have seen long lasting contrails in the same sky next to shot lasting ones, and made assumptions that they can't both be contrails - therefore one must be a chemtrail, and it has to be the longer lasting one.

It's simply not true. Contrails last as long as atmospheric conditions allow them - the atmosphere is not homogeneous - it does not have the same humidity and pressure all through out it - that is why clouds in one part of the have edges - inside the cloud conditions are right for cloud to form - outside they are not.

This belief in persistence being an indicator of chemtrails is based on both a misunderstanding of atmospheric science,and a wish for chemtrails to exist.

And it is internally illogical with many chemtrail theories - if they're out to poison us, etc - wouldn't it be better to have the "chemicals" dissolve into the atmosphere ASAP, so we breathe them, rather than hanging about "up there" for hours?

So wouldn't it be hte shorter lived trails that are more likely to be hte chmicals??

reply to post by Amanda5



sincerce does not equal true

harold campling puts his name and face on the screen

Originally posted by mus8472
So the fact that winter is approaching and the air is cooler thereby creating conditions where hot exhaust is more likely to form a contrail never entered your mind. The first thing you think of is chemtrailing? What about any of these pictures makes you think this is chemicals and not normal airplane contrails?

If you were alive before 1996, you would likely recall that contrails don't remain in the sky, and spread out - summer, or winter. They quickly evaporate behind the plane. I was well aware of this as a child and was fascinated by it. It wasn't until the mid-90's that the "magically non-evaporating contrails" began to form.

Originally posted by dogstar23

If you were alive before 1996, you would likely recall that contrails don't remain in the sky, and spread out - summer, or winter. They quickly evaporate behind the plane. I was well aware of this as a child and was fascinated by it. It wasn't until the mid-90's that the "magically non-evaporating contrails" began to form.

Nope. I saw horizon-spanning contrails as a kid in the 1960's, and there is ample writen, photographic and film evidence that they did so even before then.

your suggestion has been made on here before - and thoroughly refuted - www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


And about 80% of the respondents in this thread remember persistent contrails.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by dogstar23

Originally posted by mus8472
So the fact that winter is approaching and the air is cooler thereby creating conditions where hot exhaust is more likely to form a contrail never entered your mind. The first thing you think of is chemtrailing? What about any of these pictures makes you think this is chemicals and not normal airplane contrails?

If you were alive before 1996, you would likely recall that contrails don't remain in the sky, and spread out - summer, or winter. They quickly evaporate behind the plane. I was well aware of this as a child and was fascinated by it. It wasn't until the mid-90's that the "magically non-evaporating contrails" began to form.

Before 1996 contrails dont remain at the sky????
You gotta be kidding; right!!!???

Few months ago an airline captain, went to the court taking with him a blogger/forumer "specialist" in chemtrail science....accusations of vilifying, defamation and whatosever.
The Judge considered the offenses as true, and now the poor chemtrailist "blogger/forumer" has afaik about a couple of months to pay him 8500 Euros as a fine!
Its seems more people are on the way, according some rumours, some specific facebook groups, about that stuff!
Take my 2 cents...if you live in Europe, pilots are really start to follow his colleague, and full of all this authentic BS, and as long you do not have proofs about you are talking about, i would do that...8500 bucks its heavy metal!

reply to post by AngelsDecay


Good for him - do you have a link to any article about that??

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by AngelsDecay

 

Good for him - do you have a link to any article about that??

Nope...selling the fish with the same price i bought it

reply to post by AngelsDecay

Shame - can't find anything on it on the 'net & I would have thought it'd be in some flying forum, so I'm gonna call it bunk sorry

I´ve been seeing extreme chemtrailing in my country Portugal for some time, the last few weeks its been almost every day. I don´t buy the "its only contrails" explanation. please, how do you explain the planes making grid like trails all over the sky, in perfect formation, that stay in the sky and spread throughout the day, hazing the entire sky ?! I have photos of this also when I was in the north of the country earlier this year, very similar to the ones in the OP.
coincidence or not, i´ve been coughing alot these past days, as some of my coleagues and family, the talk here is a viral laringitis, but i have my doubts.... They´re spraying something allright, we just don´t know what...

Originally posted by tugapower
I´ve been seeing extreme chemtrailing in my country Portugal for some time, the last few weeks its been almost every day. I don´t buy the "its only contrails" explanation. please, how do you explain the planes making grid like trails all over the sky, in perfect formation, that stay in the sky and spread throughout the day, hazing the entire sky ?! I have photos of this also when I was in the north of the country earlier this year, very similar to the ones in the OP.

Well, contrails have always spread out when the weather conditions at altitude are right.

Grids form due to flight paths that cross, and the wind. In the north of Portugal, you'll get fights from Lisbon to London crossing with frights from Madrid to the US (and in the opposite directions, of course)

Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by JustBreathe11

 

I still can't believe some ignorant people are calling these things contrails. Contrails dissipate within 30 seconds

You know nothing about contrails. Proof right there.

LOL, contrails dissipate within 30 seconds? You have no idea what you are talking about. I will post a picture taken in England in 1940 during the Battle of Briton, the sky is full of contrails from the fighters and they certainly wasn't spraying chemicals during the war!
Before responding with such a stupid statement you should do what anyone should do.. research it!!!

Does these images from 1940 look like they dissipated after 30 seconds? These hung in the air for hours after the battle!!

Departing bombers London 1940
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Bomber and fighter contrails London 1940
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Same
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reply to post by wulff


That means nothing.

Every time you link military planes leaving trails you only validate that fact that it's being done on purpose.

I'm sorry .....but if you cannot see the tactical advantage of having a bunch of trails in the sky when bombing a city in 1940 then I guess you just aren't military minded.

Why don't you go get the video of bombers showing there trails yet some of the bombers don't even have trails in the same group.

Even if it's just a drip of oil or something else to produce a trail it is done on purpose......

Can you see the advantage of having a mess of trails in the sky when having multiple bombers over head?

It would be much more difficult to shoot a bomber out of the sky with anti aircraft guns from the ground if all you can see is a mess of trails.

It really is amazing that debunkers can only link military craft as "proof" that contrails were around......

cmon ....get me a photo of a grid of contrails at JFK or ATL in 1960 ....there was surely enough commercial jet traffic during that decade to produce at least a small grid.

reply to post by dplum517


what utter twaddle

contrails are a nightmare for daylight bomber formations - they give AA gunners an aiming point - track the front of the trails and fire a box barrage from co-ordinated batteries

at 30 thousand feet + unless it reflects sunlight a bomber or fighter is hard to see from the ground - thier contrails were a " hey shoot at me " sign


OFF-TOPIC - but naval vessels wakes were the easy way to locate battleships - follow the wake to the vessel

reply to post by ignorant_ape


Need to find the source..

But I'm almost positive that the bombers flew lower to drop bombs because dropping them from above 30,000 ft proved to be most inaccurate.

You're claiming that WWII planes created trails DELIBERATELY?

That's quite obviously ridiculous. Contrails were a big problem, and a lot of time and effort went into trying to avoid them. Take this 1942 NACA report for example:

naca.central.cranfield.ac.uk...

By September, standard tactics for raids had become an amalgam of techniques. A Freie Jagd would precede the main attack formations. The bombers would fly in at altitudes between 16,000 feet (4,900 m) and 20,000 feet (6,100 m), closely escorted by fighters. Escorts were divided into two parts (usually Gruppen), some operating in close contact with the bombers, and others a few hundred yards away and a little above. If the formation was attacked from the starboard, the starboard section engaged the attackers, the top section moving to starboard and the port section to the top position. If the attack came from the port side the system was reversed. British fighters coming from the rear were engaged by the rear section and the two outside sections similarly moving to the rear. If the threat came from above, the top section went into action while the side sections gained height to be able to follow RAF fighters down as they broke away. If attacked, all sections flew in defensive circles. These tactics were skilfully evolved and carried out, and were extremely difficult to counter.[98]

From wikipedia ...but all the sources are at the bottom.

Originally posted by dplum517
reply to post by wulff

 

That means nothing.

Every time you link military planes leaving trails you only validate that fact that it's being done on purpose.

I'm sorry .....but if you cannot see the tactical advantage of having a bunch of trails in the sky when bombing a city in 1940 then I guess you just aren't military minded.

Why don't you go get the video of bombers showing there trails yet some of the bombers don't even have trails in the same group.

Even if it's just a drip of oil or something else to produce a trail it is done on purpose......

Can you see the advantage of having a mess of trails in the sky when having multiple bombers over head?

It would be much more difficult to shoot a bomber out of the sky with anti aircraft guns from the ground if all you can see is a mess of trails.

It really is amazing that debunkers can only link military craft as "proof" that contrails were around......

cmon ....get me a photo of a grid of contrails at JFK or ATL in 1960 ....there was surely enough commercial jet traffic during that decade to produce at least a small grid.

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