Outer Space Is A 3-Dimensional Holographic Illusion Created By Mega Advanced Aliens

The amount of computing power needed to emulate a human mind can likewise be roughly estimated. One estimate, based on how computationally expensive it is to replicate the functionality of a piece of nervous tissue that we have already understood and whose functionality has been replicated in silico, contrast enhancement in the retina, yields a figure of ~10^14 operations per second for the entire human brain.

An alternative estimate, based the number of synapses in the brain and their firing frequency, gives a figure of ~10^16-10^17 operations per second.Conceivably, even more could be required if we want to simulate in detail the internal workings of synapses and dendritic trees...

However,it is likely that the human central nervous system has a high degree of redundancy on the mircoscale to compensate for the unreliability and noisiness of its neuronal components. One would therefore expect a substantial efficiency gain when using more reliable and versatile non-biological processors...

Memory seems to be a no more stringent constraint than processing power. Moreover, since the maximum human sensory bandwidth is ~10^8 bits per second, simulating all sensory events incurs a negligible cost compared to simulating the cortical activity. We can therefore use the processing power required to simulate the central nervous system as an estimate of the total computational cost of simulating a human mind.

If the environment is included in the simulation, this will require additional computing power – how much depends on the scope and granularity of the simulation. Simulating the entire universe down to the quantum level is obviously infeasible, unless radically new physics is discovered. But in order to get a realistic simulation of human experience, much less is needed – only whatever is required to ensure that the simulated humans, interacting in normal human ways with their simulated environment, don’t notice any irregularities.

The microscopic structure of the inside of the Earth can be safely omitted. Distant astronomical objects can have highly compressed representations: verisimilitude need extend to the narrow band of properties that we can observe from our planet or solar system spacecraft. On the surface of Earth, macroscopic objects in inhabited areas may need to be continuously simulated, but microscopic phenomena could likely be filled in ad hoc. What you see through an electron microscope needs to look unsuspicious, but you usually have no way of confirming its coherence with unobserved parts of the microscopic world. Exceptions arise when we deliberately design systems to harness unobserved microscopic phenomena that operate in accordance with known principles to get results that we are able to independently verify.

The paradigmatic case of this is a computer. The simulation may therefore need to include a continuous representation of computers down to the level of individual logic elements. This presents no problem, since our current computing power is negligible by posthuman standards.

DR. Nick Bostrom,Oxford University.

Reality may thus contain many levels. Even if it is necessary for the hierarchy to bottom out at some stage – the metaphysical status of this claim is somewhat obscure – there may be room for a large number of levels of reality, and the number could be increasing over time. (One consideration that counts against the multi-level hypothesis is that the computational cost for the basement-level simulators would be very great. Simulating even a single posthuman civilization might be prohibitively expensive. If so, then we should expect our simulation to be terminated when we are about to become posthuman.)

In addition to ancestor-simulations, one may also consider the possibility of more selective simulations that include only a small group of humans or a single individual. The rest of humanity would then be zombies or “shadow-people” – humans simulated only at a level sufficient for the fully simulated people not to notice anything suspicious. It is not clear how much cheaper shadow-people would be to simulate than real people. It is not even obvious that it is possible for an entity to behave indistinguishably from a real human and yet lack conscious experience.

Even if there are such selective simulations, you should not think that you are in one of them unless you think they are much more numerous than complete simulations. There would have to be about 100 billion times as many “me-simulations” (simulations of the life of only a single mind) as there are ancestor-simulations in order for most simulated persons to be in me-simulations.

There is also the possibility of simulators abridging certain parts of the mental lives of simulated beings and giving them false memories of the sort of experiences that they would typically have had during the omitted interval. If so, one can consider the following (farfetched) solution to the problem of evil: that there is no suffering in the world and all memories of suffering are illusions. Of course, this hypothesis can be seriously entertained only at those times when you are not currently suffering.


Dr Nick bostrom,Oxford University.

Originally posted by blocula
The amount of computing power needed to emulate a human mind can likewise be roughly estimated. One estimate, based on how computationally expensive it is to replicate the functionality of a piece of nervous tissue that we have already understood and whose functionality has been replicated in silico, contrast enhancement in the retina, yields a figure of ~10^14 operations per second for the entire human brain.

An alternative estimate, based the number of synapses in the brain and their firing frequency, gives a figure of ~10^16-10^17 operations per second.Conceivably, even more could be required if we want to simulate in detail the internal workings of synapses and dendritic trees...

However,it is likely that the human central nervous system has a high degree of redundancy on the mircoscale to compensate for the unreliability and noisiness of its neuronal components. One would therefore expect a substantial efficiency gain when using more reliable and versatile non-biological processors...

Memory seems to be a no more stringent constraint than processing power. Moreover, since the maximum human sensory bandwidth is ~10^8 bits per second, simulating all sensory events incurs a negligible cost compared to simulating the cortical activity. We can therefore use the processing power required to simulate the central nervous system as an estimate of the total computational cost of simulating a human mind.

If the environment is included in the simulation, this will require additional computing power – how much depends on the scope and granularity of the simulation. Simulating the entire universe down to the quantum level is obviously infeasible, unless radically new physics is discovered. But in order to get a realistic simulation of human experience, much less is needed – only whatever is required to ensure that the simulated humans, interacting in normal human ways with their simulated environment, don’t notice any irregularities.

The microscopic structure of the inside of the Earth can be safely omitted. Distant astronomical objects can have highly compressed representations: verisimilitude need extend to the narrow band of properties that we can observe from our planet or solar system spacecraft. On the surface of Earth, macroscopic objects in inhabited areas may need to be continuously simulated, but microscopic phenomena could likely be filled in ad hoc. What you see through an electron microscope needs to look unsuspicious, but you usually have no way of confirming its coherence with unobserved parts of the microscopic world. Exceptions arise when we deliberately design systems to harness unobserved microscopic phenomena that operate in accordance with known principles to get results that we are able to independently verify.

The paradigmatic case of this is a computer. The simulation may therefore need to include a continuous representation of computers down to the level of individual logic elements. This presents no problem, since our current computing power is negligible by posthuman standards.

DR. Nick Bostrom,Oxford University.

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If this whole universe is a simulation, whatever is behind the simulation has technology that we wouldn't even be able to think of.

If this whole universe is a simulation, whatever is behind the simulation has technology that we wouldn't even be able to think of.
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A class 3 civilization would probably be capable of doing it and if they have,some of their technologies and inventions we perceive as the rain,the wind,the snow and outer space...Perhaps even eachother...

I don't think our "eternal souls" have been simulated...Just the "temporary bodies" that our souls have been put into and the materialistic reality around us...They are the simulations...Not our souls...Just who is the, perhaps evil God or mega advanced Alien, that has "created" this material world?...Satan?...Maybe...

Originally posted by blocula
If this whole universe is a simulation, whatever is behind the simulation has technology that we wouldn't even be able to think of.
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A class 3 civilization would probably be capable of doing it and if they have,some of their technologies and inventions we perceive as the rain,the wind,the snow and outer space...Perhaps even eachother...

I don't think our "eternal souls" have been simulated...Just the "temporary bodies" that our souls have been put into and the materialistic reality around us...They are the simulations...Not our souls...Just who is the, perhaps evil God or mega advanced Alien, that has "created" this material world?...Satan?...Maybe...

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Hahahaha! A Matrix, oh boy you guys need to get some sleep

Originally posted by ChesterJohn

Originally posted by blocula
If this whole universe is a simulation, whatever is behind the simulation has technology that we wouldn't even be able to think of.
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A class 3 civilization would probably be capable of doing it and if they have,some of their technologies and inventions we perceive as the rain,the wind,the snow and outer space...Perhaps even eachother...

I don't think our "eternal souls" have been simulated...Just the "temporary bodies" that our souls have been put into and the materialistic reality around us...They are the simulations...Not our souls...Just who is the, perhaps evil God or mega advanced Alien, that has "created" this material world?...Satan?...Maybe...

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You obviously don't know the capabilities of very advanced technologies.

Hahahaha! A Matrix, oh boy you guys need to get some sleep

Hahahaha! A Matrix, oh boy you guys need to get some sleep
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This is a hard pill to swallow...But...Everything we see,everything we touch,everything we hear,everything we smell and everything we taste, is happening inside our brains and nowhere else...What we perceive as the reality around us...Is an illusion...

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
When I think of the *New tech that can turn thoughts into movies link below* its seems REALLY POSSIBLE if the machines were high tech enough the minds can be just recycling the data of the past and making the current reality up from past fragments---MATRIX ANYONE? Interesting POV blocula

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Let's take it a step further.

What if humanity isn't on a planet at all? What if everything we see is really some elaborate playground for us to while away time in, while we are travelling on a generational starship?

We could be en-route, on a colossal ship - TO EARTH.

We are the crew, we are the colonists, we are the survivors or the explorers of an advanced species (humans) that are using an advanced form of immersive AI to 'learn' about the new world and local space we are heading towards.

The experience we call our life, is in reality compressed down to perhaps a day or two of real time, but we perceive the time passing as a lifetime.

What better way to learn about an environment, what mistakes can be made in it and to it, what the positives and pitfalls will be, than actually experiencing that world for an entire lifetime?

If we all woke up and discovered there was only say a couple of thousand of us in total, the rest of what we see as humanity was AI generated as part of an ultra advanced (and perceptively undetectable) 'lifetime experience and learning' programme to familiarise us with what life on Earth will be like...would we treat the planet any differently i wonder?

Who knows.

spikey...Thats thinking outside the box!...I don't think outside the box,i have thrown the box away and it looks like you have as well...And think about this...

Maybe humanity went extinct somewhere in the distant future, we are actually dead and gone. But we live on down through the ages, within the simulated reality that we once created. The virtual world machine is in auto pilot mode, it re-programs itself and continuously downloads new three-dimensional ancestral simulations and new realities and we are reborn again and again into different time periods of virtual earth...

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You may as well say that the entire universe is merely a simulation created by someone/something... which is probably more plausible...

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
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You may as well say that the entire universe is merely a simulation created by someone/something... which is probably more plausible...

I don't think our "eternal souls" have been simulated...Just the "temporary bodies" that our souls have been put into and the materialistic reality around us...They are the simulations...Not our souls

Originally posted by Vandettas

Originally posted by ChesterJohn

Originally posted by blocula
If this whole universe is a simulation, whatever is behind the simulation has technology that we wouldn't even be able to think of.
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A class 3 civilization would probably be capable of doing it and if they have,some of their technologies and inventions we perceive as the rain,the wind,the snow and outer space...Perhaps even eachother...

I don't think our "eternal souls" have been simulated...Just the "temporary bodies" that our souls have been put into and the materialistic reality around us...They are the simulations...Not our souls...Just who is the, perhaps evil God or mega advanced Alien, that has "created" this material world?...Satan?...Maybe...

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You obviously don't know the capabilities of very advanced technologies.

Hahahaha! A Matrix, oh boy you guys need to get some sleep

Technology is limited to time, space, equipment and natural power and can never keep you in a state of animated suspension as your physical body wont let it nor will your soul allow anything to take place to you without your knowledge and will.

Technology is the highest form of human/creature knowledge but it can never develop any further than technology no matter who has it. It will always be limited to the natural sciences it is natural and thereby limited to the natural state of things including all physical laws.

Supernatural power on the other hand is not limited to time, space, equipment or limited power for there are none. When something supernatural takes place you will fear it, because you cannot understand it, because your knowledge is limited to time space and the physical sense.

Therefore no advanced race with physical equipment can ever control or manipulate you because it is limited to the natural physical laws. your soul is not limited to these laws and it has a will that cannot be usurped by any except the one who created the soul. the soul is not physical it is supernatural.

When a supernatural event takes place it will send the most hardened scientist to his knees shaking with fear. Imagine if a great 8.0 earthquake can cause men to fear how much more something supernatural when it takes place.

No my friend no technology will ever be able to control you unless you allow it.

To the rest the Earth is not a vessel of travel it is limited to the physical realm, with physical laws that can be breached by only the supernatural. If there is a journey you are on then this life offers only one chance to get it right and when your physical life ends you will then give account of your life experience to the one who governs souls. If you made the correct choice in this life then you soul goes to a place where the maker of it resides into perfection, but if you failed to make the correct choice like a physical product your body and soul are thrown out.

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
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You may as well say that the entire universe is merely a simulation created by someone/something... which is probably more plausible...

You are more nearer the truth than you may imagine. But it is not a simulation it is actual and practical for what better place than to test the Soul than in the firmament. The firmament is the darkness that surrounds the universe each night when you look out into the stars and you find the furthest one the firmament is that blackness beyond it.

Therefore no advanced race with physical equipment can ever control or manipulate you because it is limited to the natural physical laws.
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The mega advanced simulators are the ones who created our natural physical laws...From another dimension

Visualize a stealth bomber cruising down a runway and passing over an ant hill,the ant has eyes,it sees something there,but it is not capable of understanding what it is...Now visualize a UFO flying over a person,we have eyes,we see something there,but i dont think we are capable of knowing or understanding what it really is We may actually be seeing only part of it,the part that is protruding,or being projected,into our three dimensional world,while the rest of it remains in the fourth dimension!

Picture yourself underwater,looking up at a ball that someone is pushing down below the surface,you, underwater,would only see a portion of the whole object,not perceiving the rest of the ball above the surface,i think it's probably something like this that is happening...

Originally posted by blocula
Therefore no advanced race with physical equipment can ever control or manipulate you because it is limited to the natural physical laws.
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The mega advanced simulators are the ones who created our natural physical laws...From another dimension

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Are you talking mathematical dimensions or some sort of Cosmic dimensions? in mathematics we can only calculate up to 4 dimensions after that it would be considered spiritual and impossible to have any physical equipment there. even 4th dimension is difficult to prove except with geometry and that is limited to your mind and knowledge and physical makeup of height, width and depth, again physical laws are at play.

But spirit is spirit and physical is physical. the physical cannot pass into the spiritual and though you have a spirit in the physical it is limited to spirit and does very little to affect physical. It can affect your mind but not so much your body unless you allow it like auto writing.

Again you will subject your will to another or a spirit but they can never control you without your will giving them the go ahead. We call this spiritual possession.

You will need to prove these mega advance simulators even really exist outside your limited mind. And in order for them to work they would have to let themselves know they exist at some point in order to get our permission via our soul so they can simulate your existence. The real question is where is the end of physical technology or natural realm come into play with the supernatural realm? and how? Who? when? where? which? Why? and What?

answer these and then see if your mega advanced technologies really exist.

Originally posted by blocula
Visualize a stealth bomber cruising down a runway and passing over an ant hill,the ant has eyes,it sees something there,but it is not capable of understanding what it is...Now visualize a UFO flying over a person,we have eyes,we see something there,but i dont think we are capable of knowing or understanding what it really is We may actually be seeing only part of it,the part that is protruding,or being projected,into our three dimensional world,while the rest of it remains in the fourth dimension!

Picture yourself underwater,looking up at a ball that someone is pushing down below the surface,you, underwater,would only see a portion of the whole object,not perceiving the rest of the ball above the surface,i think it's probably something like this that is happening...

Still everything your saying is limited to physical space time and measurement.

A spiritual being may take on a form it is not in reality. But that beings form is limited to the one who governs spiritual things on what form or shape is allowed and/or not allowed in coming in contact with the world of men. again that contact is limited to physical realm thereby calculable.

Your analogy wont work seeing the stealth bomber is not controlling the ant through a simulator of some sort. You nor I can control their reality in anyway. They are limited just as you are and you cannot control the ant or beast without first having its voluntary will. in the case of an ant give it able space to live it will create its home in a ant farm frame. in the case of a beast you cant control it until you have its will broke or you raise it up from a pup to be your friend and submit to you.

either way both the one controlling the life and the life that is controlled (ant or beast) know that the other exists in order for their will to be conformed. If not the one being control will die physically

Still everything your saying is limited to physical space time and measurement
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Fom the perspective of our limited five senses it may appear that way.We don't see anything the way it really is.The shapes and forms of everything we see and touch are radically different from what we perceive them as being...We exist within an illusion...We are an illusion...Theres no way around those facts...

Originally posted by blocula
Still everything your saying is limited to physical space time and measurement
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Fom the perspective of our limited five senses it may appear that way.We don't see anything the way it really is.The shapes and forms of everything we see and touch are radically different from what we perceive them as being...We exist within an illusion...We are an illusion...Theres no way around those facts...

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you will need to prove that your physical senses are more than seeing, smell, touch, hearing, taste and perception of thought.

And again you show you have no idea how technology works. Technology is limited to physical realm it doesn't exist outside the bounds of Time and space. You must prove technology exists outside the Physical realm. The technological/physical(that which you can perceive) realm and the Spiritual(that which you can't perceive) you seem to be blending into one, but it is an undeniable fact that things that are different are not the same. To make them the same just shows your lack of understanding physical things so what makes you think you are a understander of spiritual things.

therefore you idea that we are all in an illusion is based on your feelings rather than fact. I based all my points on facts which not one person a\has tried to show are in error. all you can do is say "because you are in an illusion you cant know their technology is real" Which is nothing more than useless banter and vain talk

We need the five senses and the mind to be conscious of the world, which means that the world is dependent on them. Without the senses and the mind, the world does not exist for us.

If we say that a real thing is something that always exists, with no gaps, then the outside world is not real. There are times besides sleep, when we are so busy that we are not conscious of what is going on around us. When there are no sensory sensations, as while being in a floating tank, or when in deep meditation, we are still conscious, but not of the world. This means that sometimes we are conscious of the world, and sometimes we are not

The world exists for us only when the senses and mind are directed towards it, and ceases to exist for us when we silence the senses and the mind. During deep sleep, we do not experience the world because the senses are not active. Can you prove the reality of the world while you are deeply asleep? After you wake up from sleep, other people might tell you that the world existed, but can you prove that these people existed while you were asleep?

After waking up, we may invent all kinds of theories to prove the realty of the world. However, these are only mental theories. The fact is that during sleep the world was non-existent for us.

Each person interprets and relates to other people's behavior, words and attitudes in a different way, according to the contents of his subconscious mind. No one's world is like another. Again, we see the illusion at work. A world is created, based on our interpretation of what we see, hear, and perceive through the five senses.

Sri Ramana Maharshi, the great Indian sage, has said that the difference between a dream while sleeping and the dream we call wakefulness is only of duration, one short and the other one long.

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