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Why don't the conspiracy theorists have their OWN investigation?

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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by Nutter

You mean the same Bazzant and Ross who didn't acknowledge that for each action there is an equal but opposite reaction?



You sure you're an engineer?

www.civil.northwestern.edu...

"1. Newton’s Third Law: The discusser is not correct in repeatedly
claiming that Newton’s third law is violated in the paper
and particularly in concluding that the “two-phase collapse
scenario is scientifically implausible because it ignores
Newton’s third law and the equal but opposite upward force
dictated by it.” As explained at the outset in every course on
mechanics of materials, this law is automatically satisfied,
since all the calculations are based on the concept of stress or
internal force, which consists of a pair of opposite forces of
equal magnitude acting on the opposite surfaces of any imagined
cut through the material or structure. This concept is so
central to the discipline of structural mechanics and selfevident
to structural engineers that Newton’s third law is
never even mentioned in publications."




posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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So when I drop a bowling ball on your head, the only place the force is felt is on the very tippy top of your head.

OK.

And yes, my degree in engineering along with my professionals license allows me to call myself an engineer.

You?



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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i think the obvious answer is money. there is no commission that will dole out money for a second investigation and its pretty safe to say the money on the first was wasted.

i have seen experiments on the melting of steal girders useing the same hydrocarbons and none of them buckled. i have also seen demonstrations of thermite(regular) cutter charges that can severe the beams.

both of these videos are on youtube.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by Nutter

And yes, my degree in engineering along with my professionals license allows me to call myself an engineer.



Then what is your reply to the Bazant quote? Is he wrong or right? Do the ke generated by the falling mass/ke "used up" by the resisting mass not account for equal and opposite?

Why are you deflecting from the possibility of doing your own analysis, correcting the mistakes that you say Bazant and Ross made?

Are you saying that doing an energy calc using ke, etc is invalid?



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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How about the structural steel configuration, the steel members etc. Bathroom fixtures......please.

Configurations? If you were an engineer you would have automatically refered to them as the framing plans.

Please quote where they state even the exact amount of materials on each floor.

Look at the loading calculations done by the designers, it stipulates, in pounds per square foot, the amounts per floor. And don't "search" for it, you'll never find it.

How about the core column configuration? I've tried to discern it from the NIST report only to come up with more questions than answers.

Really? You mean the core column framing? Look again and tell me exactly what you need to know and most importantly - why?

But, I'm just a dumb "conspiracy theorist truther" right?

I didn't say that.

Then how am I working as we speak as a structural forensic engineer?

The same way I'm working as a porn star.

Oh, I don't know. A finite element analysis can not be done without knowing the elements?

Hmmm, you mean you have absolutely no clue about any of the elements in the building?????



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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This is funny!!

Because it would be like the blind leading the blind.

So many people who are conspiracy theorists are so blinkered it would be as corrupt as the real investigation.

Its like asking a man with no arms to compete in a table tennis match for your country.

9/11 is done and dusted - over and apart from people on ATS it is not really occupying many peoples thoughts with all that is going on today. I for one do not give it one thought anymore and I just don't care anymore. Reason, both the OS and 9/11 truthers are so full of crap it is unbelievable. Both set of groups are pathetic.

Both don't give a damn about the victims just who can win this tug of war.

Both sides should be terminated and stop dragging the victims families through the mud for personal satisfaction.

Asking the conspiracy theorists to do their own investigation...I wonder what their result would be....a sham!



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by mayabong
reply to post by PhotonEffect
 


so you think this guy is lying?


edit on 14-10-2011 by mayabong because: (no reason given)


He's very believable, actually. He seems to think that it was Islamic terrorists who did it. With planes. Isn't that a conflict of interest for you?

And it's too bad he (or all the other people he mentioned were in the ST during power down) didn't notice anything unusual, like planting of explosives.

Oh wait, you said towers, as in both had been powered down. Do you have a video of a guy who can say if the North Tower was turned off also?

Also do you think that entire tower(s) could be rigged with explosives in 24-36 hours?



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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I'm just bringing forth information, you said it was a paranoid conspiracy theory and that they couldn't power down because of the businesses in there. This guy is obviously not a 911 truther cause he still thinks muslims did it which makes his testimony that much more believable.

First you say it didn't happen then you say well um ok well it didn't happen in both towers.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by SavedOne
I'm an architect and I take issue with those who continually hold up AE911Truth as some kind of proof that our profession backs these crazy 9-11 conspiracy theories.

I take issue with those that attack professional architects, engineers, physicists, and scientists because of their denial or agenda.

Oh, and you do believe in crazy 9/11 conspiracy theories if you have faith in the official theory as well. Always remember that.



Originally posted by SavedOne
The AE911Truth organization has 1,627 signatures. If you review the list only about 25% of those signatures are professional registrants in the US, the rest are interns or people outside of the US.

Absolutely false. I can't believe you actually provided a link to the petition and signatures, then proceeded to either deliberately disseminate false information, or you didn't really look at the signatures on the petition in the first place.

All of the signatures of registered architects provide license numbers. All of the rest of the signatures in the professional section of the petition are degreed architects or engineers. And the list does have more engineer signatures than architects.

And while part of the list has signatures from those outside of the U.S., none of the professional signatories are "interns". All of the students and others are in the "Others" part of the petition.



Originally posted by SavedOne
The petition merely states the group signing it thinks a more detailed investigation should be done, signing the petition is NOT an endorsement of the conspiracy theories

False again. People don't go around signing petitions for the fun of it. People sign the petition because they have looked at the evidence provided by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and agree that there needs to be a new investigation based on AE911T's evidence.


With all of the falsities you're throwing around, it's quite obvious why you don't agree with your similarly-trained colleagues. I don't believe you're an architect. And your post has "agenda" and "denial" written all over it.

Please refer to first two threads in my signature to inform yourself.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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All of the signatures of registered architects provide license numbers.


So just clear this up;

Number of persons who signed the petition:_________

Number of persons who signed the petition and are current register professional architects and/or engineers:_______

That'll give us the % real easy and no more quibbling.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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The petition is categorized into sections. Feel free to count how many are in each section. I have no such desire.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 05:27 PM
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Tell me something, in all honesty, why don't you truthers stop chanting "we need more investigations" like it was a religious mantra and hold your own investigation? From your own posts, you'll all but conceding there isn't goign to be any real investigation any time soon, but from your own posts, you're all openly admitting you have all the facts you need to research your "controlled demolitions" claims already
reply to post by GoodOlDave
 


Actually, there has been an official hearing of evidence in Toronto, Canada, which was heard by four judges (one an honary Italian Supreme Court Judge). This took place over four-day period (Sep 8-11). An excerpt of the objectives of this hearing/inquest is as follows:


To submit a record and a summary of the Hearings, together with signed Statutory Declarations by witnesses, to relevant governments, groups and international agencies with the request that a full and impartial investigation be launched into the events of September 11, 2001, which have been used to initiate military invasions and to restrict the rights of citizens.

torontohearings.org...

The final report will be reviewed by an international lawyer. Once published, it will be distributed to relevant governments and NGOs around the world with the request to reopen a new , full supoena, under-oath 911 investigaton.

Videos of the 4-day hearing can be viewed here: www.sonic.net...


We now have at least four senators calling for a new investigation, as well. They are as follows:

Former Sen. and 911 Commissioner Bob Graham


Former Democratic Senator Bob Graham on Monday called on the U.S. government to reopen its investigation into 9/11 after a report found that links between Saudi Arabia and the hijackers were never disclosed by the FBI to the 2002 joint Congressional intelligence committee investigating the attacks.
(Video below)




Congress member Dr. Ron Paul

When asked by WeAreChange (video below) if he would support the 9/11 victim’s family members whose questions were never answered by the 9/11 Commission Report, in their demand for a new independent 9/11 investigation, Ron Paul, R-Tex., replied “Yes, I support more investigation, because, I think the ineptness was probably hidden, because there was a tremendous amount of ineptness. That’s generally what government investigations do, they hide the inefficiencies and ineptness of government officials.”
world911truth.org...


Congress member Dennis Kucinich


Senator Mike Gravel

(Boston, MA) Senator Mike Gravel announced today the inauguration of a citizens’ campaign to authorize a new investigation of the events of September 11, 2001 after his proposed ballot measure was certified today by the Attorney General of Massachusetts, Martha Coakley. [The text of the initiative is posted below or is available as a PDF: Initiative Petition for a Massachesetts Law.] If adopted by the voters, the new law would create an independent, citizen-led investigatory commission that would be seated in Massachusetts and be vested with subpoena power and the power to take testimony under oath. “I personally initiated this effort to create a new 9/11 commission,” stated Gravel, “in response to the outpouring of calls for a new investigation—in the light of new evidence—from Americans across the political spectrum.

9-11cc.org...

Each has his own reason for reopening, which in itself speaks volumes for the fact that the "official" story is completely tainted.

So, it would appear that there has been a shift from presenting evidence at seminars across the world to gain awareness, to a "Phase II" legally binding and active pursuit of a new investigation.




edit on 14-10-2011 by earth2mayavision because: Add Dr. Paul YouTube link



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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Tell me was there any defence at this Hearing.

There was no one to oppose them.

This is what is known as a Which Hunt.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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This was fully addressed during the hearings. The reason the "other side" was not represented was because this was more akin to an "inquest." This was fully discussed by the legal team during the four-day presentations (in above link). To fully appreciate the purpose and findings of the Toronto Hearings, it would be good to review the videos.
edit on 14-10-2011 by earth2mayavision because: to add clarity



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by earth2mayavision
reply to post by waypastvne
 


This was fully addressed during the hearings. The reason the "other side" was not represented was because this was more akin to an "inquest." This was fully discussed by the legal team during the four-day presentations (in above link). To fully appreciate the purpose and findings of the Toronto Hearings, it would be good to review the videos.
edit on 14-10-2011 by earth2mayavision because: to add clarity


Then it should be called an inquest not a hearing, that's deceitful. Witch Hunt would still be a more accurate term than Inquest.


edit on 14-10-2011 by waypastvne because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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There is this....


Tell me something, in all honesty, why don't you truthers stop chanting "we need more investigations"....



..and then, there is this....


I can't speak for anyone else, but I have always made it plain that I support more investigations because....


Above Top Secret.com


....hmmm??
edit on 14-10-2011 by Perhaps because: typo



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:41 PM
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I would like to see a Mythbusters style investigation as it is pretty much the only way I'll ever be convinced of anything.

1) Go out in the desert and build some replica WTC towers
2) Leave some as controls, put some thermite or whatever else you want to test in the others
3) Remote control some planes into the towers... Also shoot missiles, lasers, wormholes, etc...
4) Observe... What ingredients make the towers fall (if any)

Nobody would ever pay for such a thing, of course...



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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G.O.D. (haha!). Nothing can be gleaned from the analysis of the footage available because
it is all faked. Something tells me you already know this.
Forget the nano-thermite BS blind alley. Let's concentrate instead on the faked video and faked
victim profiles. This is the only way in which progress lies, and this is why media fakery is such
a hot coal for most of the controlled!



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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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Nice injection of 911 disinformation. Those little video you posted are usually spread by debunkers claiming it came from truthers.

Im on Randi too.... I dont like 'toofers'...



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 10:31 PM
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Anybody besides myself notice that ATS seems to host an unusually large population of structural engineers who are clueless to the fundamentals of Newtonian basics?

There must have been a lot of folks out sick the day they were teaching classical mechanics...



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