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Why don't the conspiracy theorists have their OWN investigation?

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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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Tell me something, in all honesty, why don't you truthers stop chanting "we need more investigations" like it was a religious mantra and hold your own investigation? From your own posts, you'll all but conceding there isn't goign to be any real investigation any time soon, but from your own posts, you're all openly admitting you have all the facts you need to research your "controlled demolitions" claims already:

-Richard Gage has the blueprints of the WTC buildings, and as an architect, he'd know how to interpret the strengths and weaknesses of the structure

-Steven Jones has the exact chemical formula of the thermite explosive that was supposedly used to bring the buildings down, so he'd know exactly how much it would need to defeat the structural steel the WTC used

-The army of Youtube posters have five miles of video showing the exact physical progression of the collapse from every single angle, plus thousands of photographs of what the structural steel looked like before and after the collapse.

-AE911truth has a petition from a thousand "architects and engineers" whose very profession it is to know exactly how such things work

-Plus as I've been pointing out for ages, these websites you're constantly going to are selling T-shirts, DVDs, baseball caps, posters, tickets to conferences, etc etc etc and many of you are openly admitting you're forking over your money to them, so you certainly have the funding

You have the the information, you have the expertise, and you have the funding. Everything you need to conduct your own investigation to determine precisely where the controlled demolitions were planted and exactly how much explosives were needed to bring the towers down is right in front of you. You don't even need to look at who was responsible or how the explosives got into the building at this stage of your investigation. Simply recreate the theoretical process of how these specific controlled demolitions brought this specific building design down that matches the collapse pattern we all saw. It probably wouldn't even take your experts a month to calculate it out....BUT, instead, you people have been wasting our time for the last ten years bickering over stupid [censored] like whether or not a cruise missile hit the Pentagon and accusing everyone from Silverstein to your goldfish of being secret government agents. Why?

*I* say it's because this is all simply make believe and you're simply grasping at separate straws that simply will not fit together in the way you want them to, so you have to fall back on a McCarthyism stunt and make up excuses that "you have evidence of impropriety but it's all too confusing to know what it is" to rescue your credibility, with an unhealthy dose of "secret agents" to fill in all the gaps you can't ratioanlly explain. What is *your* reason for this?
edit on 14-10-2011 by GoodOlDave because: Corrected my spelling to placate the grammar Nazis

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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:14 AM
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With no power to call witnesses and no access to much of the information and evidence..??

Yeah sure Dave..All the people have asked for is a fair and unbiased investigation of an event that killed thousands of innocent Americans..

But instead they spend more on investigating Clinton's sex life in the office.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:17 AM
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I wouldnt consider myself a conspiracy theorist to be honest but dont investigations require a little expertise. I agree people should try to do their own investigations instead of moaning but its not as simple as you make it sound especially when it comes to things like world trade centres. Investigations cost a lot for reason.
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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by GoodOlDave
 


With no power to call witnesses and no access to much of the information and evidence..??

Yeah sure Dave..All the people have asked for is a fair and unbiased investigation of an event that killed thousands of innocent Americans..

But instead they spend more on investigating Clinton's sex life in the office.


Biased toward whom? What does that mean when people say they want an unbiased investigation?


The only people who keep claiming the investigations were biased are the same people who keep claiming: missiles, holograms, controlled demo, evidence planting, etc etc...

There's no need for an "unbiased" investigation. It's been done already.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:23 AM
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The only people who keep claiming the investigations were biased are the same people who keep claiming: missiles, holograms, controlled demo, evidence planting, etc etc...


What a crock of bull..
I've never called it anything other than to say the OS is just a load of BS..

But I guess you believe that fairytale 100%.


The "so called" investigation merely scraped the surface..
Heck, even the President needed someone to hold his hand and refused to testify under oath..
Kinda strange huh.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by GoodOlDave
 


With no power to call witnesses and no access to much of the information and evidence..??


What witnesses do you need to call to figure out how much nanothermite it would take to destroy some specific support beam as shown on the blueprints? All you need is a calculator.



Yeah sure Dave..All the people have asked for is a fair and unbiased investigation of an event that killed thousands of innocent Americans.:



All the more reason to get off your butts and hold your own investigation. It's as if you're a detective who has the body of a murder victim, has the autopsy, has the murder weapon, has the fingerprints, and has a list of suspects with all their fingerprints, and you're scratching your head and wondering what to do. You really don't see anything wrong with this?



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:26 AM
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Crock of bull?

That's fine. But may I ask then what your belief is about what happened that day?

What part of the investigation do you feel was lacking?

Where did they get it wrong?



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:26 AM
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Well Dave, another thread on this huh? Ok.
So, do you think the general public will be given access to all the various people that would need to to be interviewed, like the president, VP, pentagon chiefs, all video footage from there? Blah, Blah, blah, we've seen what was officially allowed, to the public, it wasn't nearly enough, and yet you think a citizen's investigation will turn up more?

Are you really going to simplify this to your thread title?

I'd love to see you post how this could be done, seriously, not with simple sentences like, "you've got all the specialists apparently".



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:28 AM
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Dont you mean why? Or does the english language elude me here? O and y arent event close on the keyboard. Well a lot of information has been gathered. There are some threads about the NORAD war games, MPRI and how the people who were connected to the wtc complex were also connected to a company that manufactured thermite for demolition purposes. You could chime in there.

But I guess you prefer to let those threads sink to the bottom of the board and prefer to push threads about killersattelites and what not.
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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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Hey Cassius -

Do you know if any of the threads that have claimed controlled demo lay out a hypothesis detailing the logistics for wiring up (2) 100+ story buildings and a 45+ story building with explosives without anyone seeing? Since these buildings were not abandoned, demolition crews would have had to work around the thousands of ordinary folks who were in these buildings everyday. Do you know if any of these threads propose how it was done so covertly and how much wiring and explosives were used?

Thanks



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by SunnyDee
Well Dave, another thread on this huh? Ok.
So, do you think the general public will be given access to all the various people that would need to to be interviewed, like the president, VP, pentagon chiefs, all video footage from there? Blah, Blah, blah, we've seen what was officially allowed, to the public, it wasn't nearly enough, and yet you think a citizen's investigation will turn up more?


Why do you need to talk to the president to calculate out how much nanothermite it would take to destroy a particular steel beam? Why do you need to interview the pentagon chiefs to determine how many supports you'd need to destroy in order to overload the remaining supports.

It sounds to me like you're just making up excuses for why you DON'T have to hold your own investigation.


I'd love to see you post how this could be done, seriously, not with simple sentences like, "you've got all the specialists apparently".


Niels Harrit (the guy who cowrote that "thermitic" paper with Jones) is an expert on nanothermite and he can reverse engineer the exact formula from the samples he has. Once he had that, out of the 1600 people in AE911truth's petition, there's got to be at least one guy knowledgable about controlled demolitions, and would know exactly how much of the stuff it would take to destroy a support column.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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So are you saying the towers weren't powered down in the days before 911? Don't you think that is a little strange?


As far as a new investigation, there already has been many investigations. No matter how many people are involved or what their credentials are, they will still be tossed aside as "conspiracy theorists" by people like good ole dave.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by PhotonEffect
reply to post by Cassius666
 


Hey Cassius -

Do you know if any of the threads that have claimed controlled demo lay out a hypothesis detailing the logistics for wiring up (2) 100+ story buildings and a 45+ story building with explosives without anyone seeing? Since these buildings were not abandoned, demolition crews would have had to work around the thousands of ordinary folks who were in these buildings everyday. Do you know if any of these threads propose how it was done so covertly and how much wiring and explosives were used?

Thanks


www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by mayabong
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So are you saying the towers weren't powered down in the days before 911? Don't you think that is a little strange?


As far as a new investigation, there already has been many investigations. No matter how many people are involved or what their credentials are, they will still be tossed aside as "conspiracy theorists" by people like good ole dave.


...which is why it behooves you to do a REAL investigation. When I say "real investigation" I mean to pick one single topic and then actually document it out fully, rather than wandering over so many different topics in a shotgun effect with this "witnesses heard explosions" and "Silverstein said 'pull it'" bit. The easiest topic for you to fully document is how controlled demolitions brought down the towers.

If you can mathematically show how controlled demolitions brought down the towers in the precise way that we all saw in the videos then you wouldn't need to worry about your critics. All you'd need to do is challenge everyone to show why your results are wrong.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by OwenGP185
I wouldnt consider myself a conspiracy theorist

Everyone is a 9/11 Conspiracy Theorist. That includes those that have faith in the official conspiracy theory.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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Who don't the conspiracy theorists have their OWN investigation?


Am I misreading the title or should it say, "WHY don't the conspiracy theorists have their own investigation?"

Dave.... why do you persist on berating and labeling people who question corrupt investigations of 9/11? Where are you on threads about fluoride, aspartame, illegal wars based on lies, corporate sponsored terrorism, and just plain standing up for the killing of innocent children?

Instead you attack your fellow human beings trying to get to the bottom of the BS and perhaps get to a point of a better life for you and us all? Why aren't you helping us with that instead of going over the same old crap over and over?



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Who don't the conspiracy theorists have their OWN investigation?

I agree. You know the government would be totally forthcoming.

Damn, why didn't I think of that for a thread. Stars and flags abound.


Peace



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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I agree 100%.

It is a lost cause here on ATS.

You can argue until your lips turn blue.

It is honestly not worth arguing anymore..........

By the way, to the poster above. It is the financial district, there is problably ties to every company here on planet earth, not just the explosive companies



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by PhotonEffect
What part of the investigation do you feel was lacking?

Where did they get it wrong?


Even the whitehouse admits that "they got it wrong".



"Thousands of tons of steel were carted away from ground zero and recycled before any expert could examine what could have been tell-tale clues. Support trusses, fireproofing fragments and even burnt out electrical switches that might have given scientists and engineers insight were lost forever - even before an investigation was underway.

"These failures mean that we are short--even to this day--on conclusions about design decisions that may have contributed to the deaths of so many firefighters and workers on the top floors.


www.house.gov...

How about we start there?



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by GoodOlDave
-AE911truth has a petition from a thousand "architects and engineers" whose very profession it is to know exactly how such things work


I'm an architect and I take issue with those who continually hold up AE911Truth as some kind of proof that our profession backs these crazy 9-11 conspiracy theories. It positively does not.

1) As of 2010 there were 105,312 registered architects in the US. I cannot locate the number of structural engineers, but assume it is about the same. The AE911Truth organization has 1,627 signatures. If you review the list only about 25% of those signatures are professional registrants in the US, the rest are interns or people outside of the US. So 0.2% of professional architects and engineers have signed the petition, that is a very small sampling.

2) The petition merely states the group signing it thinks a more detailed investigation should be done, signing the petition is NOT an endorsement of the conspiracy theories, merely an indication that those who signed think the previous investigation was not thorough enough.



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