Why did it take a threat of eviction to get the OWS people to clean up? Seriously?

I was so pumped to see OWS happen. WAS. It has turned into everything I hate about young people. They can't even clean up after their selves? What did they think was gonna happen??

I'm sort of embarrassed to be a young American right now.

It disappoints me so much. Would you be part of OWS if there was no cameras? If you couldn't twitter? If you couldn't iReport?


And it's like, Steve Jobs was one of the bad guys. He was an ultra elite rich person, but the fact is, the OWS'ers are probably out there posting on Facebook with their Macs, from OWS about Steve Jobs, while Zuckerburg is getting the ad revenue!!

I'm here all the way across the country, doing my crappy job every day, just thankful I have a full time job for the first time in my 28 years. I wanted to quit and go to OWS, but as it's unfolded, I've become extremely disillusioned.

Don't you get the feeling this is exactly what the elite want? The biggest cross section of young america looking foolish to the world? And face it, you are looking like a bunch of slackers with beards and tattoos who have no plan. I'm not saying you are, but you are being portrayed as such.

I like the spirit, but I feel like this is beginning to go in the wrong direction, and if the wrong person becomes the voice of this movement, it could turn out really bad.

Guys, as a young person, who really wants to see this system change, please pack up.
You won't make it through a NYC winter, this isn't Tahir square.

Clean up your mess, and all the destruction to private property you "peacefully" destroyed.

Learn the lessons from this. See what worked and didn't work.

Come back in the spring, with the same spirit and determination, but an organized plan.

what plan? That's what the winter is for.

But I really get the feeling that if things keep going this way, it is opening a door for bad things...

and that's my 2 cents.

The only thing that was correct

in the OP is the point it will be getting very cold
soon in NYC, cold enough to drag rats underground..

I doubt anyone will be able to actually survive outside sleeping
with no shelter or fires.

I think old man winter will be the ones to drive them out..

No threat from the cleaning crew.

Usually when someone reiterates something a thousand times
(like the part where OP said young people like me 10 tens)
Discredits any claim made from it...

You my friend are funny, Because they do clean, it looks disorganized because of all the sleeping bags and tarps around, they have a sanitation crew, and people do like to pick up after themselves,
And everything youve said here is false in almost every respect.
They're not all young,
And we're not all stupid.
It takes a younger generation to see things, because an older generation has been trained not to see it.

Just some notes:
They have to spread the word and communicate somehow, technology is what most young people know best, and its quick and efficient. So what?
They do keep clean, have you been down there?
There is no destruction of property either, Got proof other than words?
They don't look foolish at all actually, i believe there have been some polls going around that state otherwise, while yes some see it as foolish, they're the minority. Some people cannot just pack it in and go to a protest with a family to feed, no matter how bad they want to. Until the system is done.
There will be no 'one voice' to this movement, there are no leaders. there will be no leaders. at best an appointed spokesman by consensus, but, probably not even that.
And don't judge, beards and tattoos? so what? i have a tattoo and a bead. And there are people there from ages 16 - 80. Its not just young people there, though the majority, its because they are getting screwed more than anyone else who's worked for 20 years and has a stable (for now) job.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
The only thing that was correct

in the OP is the point it will be getting very cold
soon in NYC, cold enough to drag rats underground..

I doubt anyone will be able to actually survive outside sleeping
with no shelter or fires.

I think old man winter will be the ones to drive them out..

No threat from the cleaning crew.

Usually when someone reiterates something a thousand times
(like the part where OP said young people like me 10 tens)
Discredits any claim made from it...

Wow.
This OP (anyone who refers to the original post as OP is instantly discredited.), was based on a story where the OWS were ordered to evict so the cleaning crew could clean up because of so many complaints about the sanitation of the park.

So your RtOP is totally wrong, try keep up with the news.

And who says old man winter?

Sorry but I cannot take you seriously.

Seriously, stop believing everything you read and hear, start doing your own research and for the love of Pete, think for yourself!!!

Originally posted by TheRiverCityAnswer
And it's like, Steve Jobs was one of the bad guys. He was an ultra elite rich person, but the fact is, the OWS'ers are probably out there posting on Facebook with their Macs, from OWS about Steve Jobs, while Zuckerburg is getting the ad revenue!!




Don't you get the feeling this is exactly what the elite want? The biggest cross section of young america looking foolish to the world? And face it, you are looking like a bunch of slackers with beards and tattoos who have no plan. I'm not saying you are, but you are being portrayed as such.

Come back in the spring, with the same spirit and determination, but an organized plan.

1. I support using the tools of the billionaires to help the fall.. kinda poetic isn't it?


2. What's your problem with tatoos and beards? That's kinda arrogant and condescending, and make YOU look very biased and foolish. It also sucks every ounce of credibility out of your post.


" come back in the spring, more organized, with a leader we can blame and assail, and a plan we can see clearly and devise a way to stop".
yeah lots of peole want them to leave and come back "organized"

What you don't want to see is they ARE organized.. and the plan is clear: The elite crooks, and scammers holding down the forts and offices have to go. period.
They have screwed us all for way too long.
Nothing lasts forever.

They call themselves the 99% but not one of these WallBaggers asked for my permission to represent ME.

I'm not surprised they are being asked to clean up their sh--, err, act.
They clearly don't represent me because I would never defecate in public, much less on a cop car.



Health Hazard Alert!

Maybe because their moms have to make them clean up at home or goes behind them and cleans up for them. Most of them must be jobless or either have long vacation times from work. They should direct their anger at :"hope and change" which has had almost a full term in office, but whom put him there in the first place.

oh yeah...never mind.

Their moms never cleaned up after them. Nanny did it all.

I was a flaming communist back in college. But then I noticed that the "leaders" of every protest were kids with trust funds, who could rent a hotel room for a week as a "base" (but they slept in the bed after a couple of nights, just to recharge.).

Back then, the Reagan admin made noise about jeapordizing our student loans. But the leadership didn't care---they didn't have loans. They all had trust funds.

I started to notice that the leaders all had cars (I had a used bicycle), and parents who lived in mansions. The kids went to Europe to study for the summer, while I went to the country to look for work bailing hay.

About the time I noticed those things, I lost a lot of my interest in socialism and anarchy.

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft

Their moms never cleaned up after them. Nanny did it all.

Ahhhh, I guess that would explain why they are pushing so hard for a total Nanny State.

So, just so everyone knows, I've totally changed my viewpoint over the weekend.

I'm one of those emotional kind of person who speaks in frustration.

Power to the People.

Originally posted by TheRiverCityAnswer
So, just so everyone knows, I've totally changed my viewpoint over the weekend.

I'm one of those emotional kind of person who speaks in frustration.

Power to the People.

Face/Palm
REALLY?
See this is exactly what is wrong both with your generation and this movement.
Crap. So you are against it and disappointed in it; which is fine. You get to be bitter and ironically self aware. I am a genxer. I consider these two things to be among your birthrights. But, on Friday or whenever you are against the protests, feel they lace real direction, and are embarrassed by the wishy washy organization of your peers. Only to come back now and tells us that not only do you support them but the reason you changed your mind is because you are wishy washy too. Why do I get the feeling that if bull horns were allowed at these things somebody would be pushing one into your hands so that the nightly news could be filled with your (warning made up quote for effect, not real quote)"well I was against OWS because they were dirty and scraggly and unorganized, but then I just figured what the hell!"
Do you guys have any idea of just how large a percentage of the Actual 99 Percent is sitting back and monitoring this thing with baited breath. We are torn between feeling that if someone *&** up the remainder of the country of our youth that is left to us, we are going to freak out on them **not the government**. DO you recognize that we DO have jobs, and families, and reputations as professionals and that we cannot afford to back a losing play?
That we were working on a plan as evidenced by the painful implosion of both political parties but that it was going to take awhile because we are playing from the inside in positions that we have worked slowly and steadily for the last two decades to obtain?
That there wasn't going to be anything illegal about our change, and it was intended to be a subtle shift in direction that would turn us back to course. It was not a flashy revolution. It wouldn't have really even made the news. A few decades from now some scholar would have spotted the pattern and recognized it as a movement. It was the kind of plan that can only be built slowly over years by a generation who has learned patience because we follow the Boomers and the ever present spotlight that follows their every move. We play a very long game because we have never had any choice.
And no, I am not telling you that this is out there somewhere in print or that there are meetings or any such thing.
But I can't believe that others of my age don't feel what I feel. Haven't been inching toward a place where they could make a small personal change which when multiplied by the numbers of a (granted small) generation would have made the world a better place?
And you guys threaten to blow all that right out of the water. All or nothing right now.
And we, used to playing second fiddle as we are, step back and wonder if you could be right.
Wonder if you could pull it off.
And worry that you just arent' ready. But, echo boomers that you are, you will only go for the grand slam.
We were about to get walked the base that would have scored the first run of the game.
And you sent in a pinch hitter and told him to go for the stands.

Two outs, bases loaded. If you guys strike out... and we cannot decide if we think you can do it. Are we to be passed over and never have our day in the sun? Isn't that worth it if the generation that jumps us can improve the world? But, we are not sure that you are ready. For many of the reasons that you yourself put in your OP. But today you are back in because why? Sounds like peer pressure over the weekend.

OP I apologize if this comes off as a personal attack. It is truly my frustration at the way I see the world running, not you.
I get that you live out the roles assigned by your generation and position as clearly as I do the same.
Are there any Gen Xers out there who understand what I am saying?
I feel like I didn't even know I felt this way until this whole Occupy thing started. And now it is so clear to me.
But it likely just reads as a rant.
Sorry 'bout that. It makes it no less sincere.