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Originally posted by eNaR
Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by eNaR
I dont expect, nor want, tuition to be free...I want to pay for my education, I just feel like the cost of a college education today is getting a little out of hand when you add up tuition, cost of living, and text books. It's just a very tough expense to take on if youre paying for it by yourself (without mommy and daddys help)....
Absolutely agree with you !
Books are outrageously priced and updated each and every year with a few added paragraphs here and there to warrant the price increase / need to use a newer version..
...if you were my son / daughter I'd be prepared to cover 4-7 years of study at no cost to you............. No I'm not adopting !
Originally posted by CranialSponge
Wow, some of you people really don't get out much, do you ?
Here's a list of some of the countries that offer tuition-free post-secondary education to all of its citizens:
Sweden
Norway
Switzerland
France
Denmark
Argentina
Brazil
Scotland
... just to name a few.
These countries view post-secondary education as an investment in the future productivity and economic empowerment of its citizens. Post-secondary educated people have a tendency to find decent paying jobs and thus donate more to the tax revenue pool.
What a crazy concept, eh? Pfft... bunch of dummy socialists.
/sarcasm
Originally posted by CranialSponge
reply to post by daniel_g
Free-tuition does not equate to a completely free education in these countries. The students still have to pay for their own books, cost of living, some administrative fees, etc. They don't just get their post-secondary education handed over to them on a silver platter, like you seem to be alluding to.
As for your Brazil example, does that same situation broadly sweep across to any and all countries that provide government paid and/or partially aided tuition costs to its citizens ? No. So you're point is trivially moot.
Sorry to call you out like that, but sweeping generalizations are a pet peeve of mine.
Originally posted by jhn7537
Originally posted by eNaR
Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by eNaR
I dont expect, nor want, tuition to be free...I want to pay for my education, I just feel like the cost of a college education today is getting a little out of hand when you add up tuition, cost of living, and text books. It's just a very tough expense to take on if youre paying for it by yourself (without mommy and daddys help)....
Absolutely agree with you !
Books are outrageously priced and updated each and every year with a few added paragraphs here and there to warrant the price increase / need to use a newer version..
...if you were my son / daughter I'd be prepared to cover 4-7 years of study at no cost to you............. No I'm not adopting !
Thank god there are still good teachers out there that try to help you. In one of my economics classes they just changed texts from the 18th to 19th editions, the change in the text was literally 2 sentences (teacher told us) and told us not to buy the expensive new edition that was $230 and to try to get our hands on a 18th edition or a 17th edition... My cost for that one class went down to $12 for a used book i found on ebay....
That last part makes me laugh... But if you ever are in mood to adopt you know where to find me, jk.... Its much more fulfilling paying your own way through school anyways, work during the day, go to night school till 10pm, it takes its toll but its well worth it...or atleast i hope it is....edit on 14-10-2011 by jhn7537 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by daniel_g
I'm not generalizing anything, there are plenty of examples out there. But it's pretty obvious I won't go through the trouble of writting about the problems in the public education system of every single country you mentioned.
Originally posted by CranialSponge
A young adult living in Switzerland getting a helping hand with their post-secondary education would argue differently.
That's my point.
Or we could sit here writing about the problems in the public education system of every single country (free or not) across the entire globe.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by GringoViejo
Students are going 20 and 30 thousand in debt to be educated for jobs that aren't there! In Australia I've heard you don't have to start paying back your loan until you have a decent job for your degree (Aussie members can verify if this is accurate).