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Occupy Wall Street Protester Wants College Paid For Because That's What He Wants

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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by underduck
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


I am more than willing to accept this and I feel as if I do live within my means. That doesnt mean that I dont see my choices getting smaller and my sacrafices getting larger everyday.


Please share.

If you want to pretend to be a victim here...let's hear your story and see how bad you have it...while you are surfing on the internet




posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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This isnt about me. I am actually doing pretty well at the moment. Went to a reasonably priced state university, got my 4 year degree, got a full time job, wife has a full time job. We have a house with affordable payments. My concern is for the unemployed people and the rest of the people living underneath the boot of the elite. Just because it isnt happening to me yet doesnt mean I dont see it happening to others and feel as if there is an injustice.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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My concern is for the unemployed people and the rest of the people living underneath the boot of the elite.


Please explain to me how they are living under the boot of the elite?

Please tell me how any of these people didn't have the same opportunity as you did?



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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I've never had a problem with my credit card, but then again i'm not an idiot like most Americans and have only used it a handful of times. I probably wouldn't get to double digits if I looked into it. Just because some people are morons and live beyond their means isn't anyone's fault but theirs.

I've never had a problem with any loan, but like I said, I'm not an idiot who has chosen to live beyond his means. Most of the loans, including my student loans and mortgage, have been paid off.

I went to college and got a degree in a practical field and studied other topics of interest if I could afford it and had time for it. Is it my fault that I thought this out before hand, used a little common sense? Now I have to pay for some idiot who decided to go to a college he couldn't afford and now can't get a job because he decided to study Latin or cinematography for 4 years?

It's one thing to rally against corporate greed, its another to ask for everything in life to be handed to you on a silver platter. You would do well to learn the difference.

P.S. Do you have a source for the the quote you posted?


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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555


Yes, bury your head in the sand and do what you're told. Sounds like a very respectable thing to do. You do realize that the minimum wage you enjoy was brought to you by those damn hippies of the past fighting for social justice don't you?

And I hope you realize that the income for people like yourself has dropped significantly over the last 20 years and it continues as such. But don't worry. Play by their rules, be a good little citizen.

The rest of us will be fighting for rights that your children will enjoy. Make sure you give credit where credit is due...



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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So basically, you don't think anyone should have to work for anything.

Okay




Its not such a burden to people with good work ethic, the ones without think yelling what they want will get them what they want.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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Well for starters not everyone was able to grow up with both loving parents that never beat me, a stable house with good food everyday, a good neighborhood where fear of being robbed was never an option.

Listen OutKast ... some people grow up in a world of s*it. They just do. This will happen no matter what and you're right we have to be aware because some people will use the system in ways it was never intended. But there is absoluetly zero reason why people in the 21st century should starve to death. That is unacceptable.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:44 PM
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Of course some, maybe even a lot of people are responsible for their own situations...I know that I am responsible for mine, I messed up and made bad choices. What pisses me off is that despite those bad choices, I had a decent job. Now I don't, and no matter how many hours I put in searching I can't find anything comparable. Why? Most data-entry and customer service jobs are exported. I can't afford to go back to school. How many times in one's life are you supposed to go back to school to learn a new profession because your previous one evaporated in your country? Why are we tolerating this? Why are we allowing American Corporations to exploit the destitute in foreign countries with slave wages and how long until the majority of americans are destitute and begging for 3 dollars a day so we can feed our families twinkies for dinner?

I saw a job listing yesterday for a grounds keeper, responsibilities: mowing grass, education requirements: bachelors degree. Are you kidding me? Is this a side effect of thousands of college students graduating college and not finding the jobs in the careers they worked so hard for? Where'd all the manufacturing jobs go?

Why is there a waiting list to join the military when we've been at war for 10 years with no end in sight and everyone is sick of war...these kids don't want to go to war, they want an education and a job and they're willing to go to war for them. Why should they have to go to that extreme? It would cost less to just send the kid to college than it would to feed, clothe and arm them then ship them off. What are our vets going to do when they get home? Ten thousand are coming home from Afghanistan next summer, some are career military...what about the rest?

It's so easy to say where is your personal responsibility, why should my tax dollars support you and it is true. Tax dollars should not be spent picking up Corporate slack. They are american companies with all the rights and privelages that affords and they invest nothing, pay nothing...they are not pulling their weight, not doing their fair share. You work here, you pay taxes here. Why don't they? Because they had the money that we gave them with our consumer dollars to buy OUR politicians, to bend laws in their favor. We got shat on.

I/We don't know what the solutions are exactly, all I/we know is, enough is enough. This movement is a wake up call, for us and for those that do not see us. It is the beginning of a conversation on how to change this mess. It is a notice to our government that they work for us, they answer to us, their responsibility is to us and not to their wallets stuffed to overflowing with our tax money and corporate "incentives".

I don't know what else you are looking for in an answer OKS but that is mine. I respect if you can't see things the way I do. But I cannot respect any insults you may have based on a few who are looking for a free ride. You should know better than to generalize that way. Most of OWS are in it because we feel that it will make things better and that is worthy of respect.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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So are you suggesting the government should mandate that all couples that have a kid stay together and love each other???

Do you really think a free college education is going to make up for a troubled childhood?


And I keep asking, but no one seems to want to answer...give me examples of these "basic needs" not being met in the USA.

Please show me someone who starved to death in the USA that didn't have some source of free food that they could of used. You can survive on food stamps...you shouldn't expect to eat steak every day...but you can survive. And if you don't have that...there are food pantries and soup kitchens in every damn town. Don't give me this crap about people starving to death.

So please...give me examples of these horrible conditions you are describing.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by GringoViejo
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So basically, you don't think anyone should have to work for anything.

Okay




Its not such a burden to people with good work ethic, the ones without think yelling what they want will get them what they want.


Quite the contrary. I'm happy to work hard. In fact, I work 45 hours a week and am currently taking 12 credits of online classes.

The mob may not have the education to voice how they feel but they know that the system is stacked against them. They know that our politicians have been bought by wall street. The people that we elect to regulate our economy are the same people who accept large amounts of cash from wall street. That is clearly a conflict of interest.

They know the system is broken when wall street completely #s the economy and is bailed out as a result.

They are working hard, for you, and all Americans. This is much needed pressure on a system that has been widening the gap between the rich and the poor for way too long.

We will have to see where this movement ends up going but I hope it leads to much needed reform such as publicly funding elections, limiting the amount of cash politicians can accept from private entities (to something like $500 a year), raising the minimum wage, etc

Personally, I would like to see a food distribution program in which everyone has to contribute a few hours a week in order to get food. You work 10 hours a week to distribute food to the masses, you get an abundance of food. I know I know, Socialism!! Run for the hills! God for bid that the people should own the means of production, especially when it comes to the essentials of life. It makes MUCH more sense that people should profit off the essentials of life to the point that some starve...

However, I'm not a complete crazy hippie devil worshiping Marxist. If someone creates a widget that's cool or useful, I think they should make a profit...Just not the essentials of life such as food, housing, healthcare, etc.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

So are you suggesting the government should mandate that all couples that have a kid stay together and love each other???


No. I am saying that I didnt have to deal with some of the things a lot of people do have to deal with.



Do you really think a free college education is going to make up for a troubled childhood?


No. Again ... you asked me why I was able to succeed where others havent. I am providing examples of how I was benifited when others were not.



And I keep asking, but no one seems to want to answer...give me examples of these "basic needs" not being met in the USA.


First off ... this isnt a problem in just the US. People are going hungry everyday. People dont have access to housing. These are the 2 basic things that we need to have secured for EVERYBODY if we ever want to evolve and get off this rock.



Please show me someone who starved to death in the USA that didn't have some source of free food that they could of used. You can survive on food stamps...you shouldn't expect to eat steak every day...but you can survive. And if you don't have that...there are food pantries and soup kitchens in every damn town. Don't give me this crap about people starving to death.


You dont have to starve to death for it to seriously compromise your mental and physical health. You are sensationalizing this for the sake of an argument. This is insane. If you want to go ahead and think things are moving along just dandy ... fine ... go ahead.

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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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Link: $3.6 Million from Soros Backs 'Occupy Wall Street'

Left-wing financier George Soros is at it again. While he may claim he’s not behind the Occupy Wall Street protests, funding from his foundations says otherwise. Soros threw his support behind the movement at a United Nations panel on Oct. 3, “I can sympathize with their grievances.” But he does more than just sympathize, his foundations funded groups that back the protests and steer their “progressive” message.


The protesters stand by their claim that theirs is purely a grassroots movement. But it is hard to ignore the concerted effort by liberal groups, unions, and other Soros-funded entities that prop-up and fuel the Occupy movement.


Organizations that joined the protesters were granted more than $3.6 million from Soros’s Open Society Foundations. On Oct. 5 there was a “march in solidarity with #occupywallstreet” that listed seven such groups out of the 16 overall supporting the protest. Those seven organizations received $3,614,690 from Soros’ Open Society Foundations since the year 2000, with more than $2 million going to Common Cause Education Fund, part of Common Cause, and another $1.1 million to MoveOn.org.



Wow! "OccupyWallStreet" is against Wall Street millionaires, and one of them is funding the movement.

"OccupyWallStreet" is officially a Democrat movement, which is being groomed to vote for Obama in 2012.

Hypocrites.

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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Absolutely sad. I am a college student, however I have realized that there is a huge shift going on in the world. The world is currently undergoing a massive shift towards science and industry.

There is a massive excess of useless professions a) they are already filled because they are too common. b) they are overall useless ( philosophy degrees, communication degrees) c) obselete . Students expect to get a job straight out of college with a huge starting salary. You are not going to if you are not in a science or industrial field.

I had luckily chosen to major in mechanical engineering, and most people with engineering degrees can easily pay off their debts within a few years with their salary. Science people too. Those stupid people who choose English degrees are going to stay in college debt for the rest of their lives for choosing a useless degree. Do not blame the colleges your short sightedness.

Occupy wallstreet protestors who are protesting against colleges are stupid because they probably have useless degrees.

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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by narwahl
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Lets put this a bit more eloquent:

He is right...


Fixed link for you!



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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Most the times when the economy is down and you lose your job, you are not going to find anything comparable. You sometimes have to start over and work your way back up to where you were. That is just the way the world works...there is nothing that says that you are entitled to find a job that paid as well as your last job...especially in a down economy.

So it is up to you to change...not for the world to change. You may have to accept a job that pays way less than what you were making before, and work youself back up to your previous wage. You may have to go without a lot of things that you used to be able to afford. That is just the way things are....sorry.

And yes, jobs are exported...other people are WILLING to do the job for less than you are. But it appears that you have no problem with ripping those jobs away from THOSE people and cause THOSE people to suffer so you can live an easier life. Not to mention these people would LOVE to have your current life...but go ahead and tear their source of income so you can have a little more in a lifestyle that is already head and shoulders above these people you are willing to take jobs from.

You know what...I bet those people in other countries look at you just like you look at the 1% in this country. They are probably wondering "How much more do they need??? They have computers, internet access, a warm place to sleep, clean water....and all I want is this job that pays me a little bit of money so I can feed my family". It's a bit ironic...isn't it?

And you have to "start over" and go back to school as many times as it takes. I have no guarantee that my job will be around in 5-10 years...maybe by then they will have AI that programs in the language I use. Hell...I have even thought of writing a program myself that does the exact same thing. If that day comes...I am pretty sure I will be ok because I am already positioning myself to be fine if I find myself without work. Planning ahead...living way below my means...saving up. I'm not going to depend on others to provide for me...I'll take that responsibility myself.

Sure, you may have found a job position that wants a bachelors for a groundskeeper position...but it isn't the norm...so you are using the exception to try to define the rule. Check out monster.com....lots of groundskeeper positions...some at 40k...none of the ones I checked require a bachelors.
jobsearch.monster.com...

And yes, there is a waiting list for the Military...but the economy is just ONE factor in that.

abcnews.go.com...

The combination of lower recruitment target numbers, a weak economy and the implementation of the GI bill has made waiting lists, officially known as the Delayed Entry Pool, longer than they have been in recent years.


They aren't trying to recruit as many people...they lowered the requirements...and they are offering more benefits...so yes there will be a waiting list. This isn't abnormal as the article points out...there have been waiting list like this before.


I/We don't know what the solutions are exactly, all I/we know is, enough is enough. This movement is a wake up call, for us and for those that do not see us. It is the beginning of a conversation on how to change this mess. It is a notice to our government that they work for us, they answer to us, their responsibility is to us and not to their wallets stuffed to overflowing with our tax money and corporate "incentives".


Sorry, not good enough.

If you think there is a problem, you better have a solution before you have a complaint.

And if OWS doesn't want to become political and work within that system...then they shouldn't cry when others do and the outcome is not what you wanted.


I don't know what else you are looking for in an answer OKS but that is mine. I respect if you can't see things the way I do. But I cannot respect any insults you may have based on a few who are looking for a free ride. You should know better than to generalize that way. Most of OWS are in it because we feel that it will make things better and that is worthy of respect.


Please show me where I have insulted anyone.

Pointing out that people don't have any answers for their complaints, or that they are clueless about how things work, is not an insult...it is a statement of fact.

I 100% don't understand how you think something will make things better if you have no solutions you are operating towards...it's like trying to build a house with no blueprint...the result isn't going to be pretty.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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Thanks ... I was wondering what that was going to be.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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No. Again ... you asked me why I was able to succeed where others havent. I am providing examples of how I was benifited when others were not.


And you are also suggesting everyone should start out on even ground. So how do you plan on doing that with this situation?

It's not fair you had loving parents...you have an unfair advantage. We know the government can't force parents to love you...so I guess we will just have to take all kids away from their parents...raise them in a government institution where they are all treated "equally". Sure...probably equally poorly...but hey...at least no one has an unfair advantage.

And what about those kids that just seem naturally smarter than others??? What shall we do with those evil kids that have an unfair advantage? And those tall kids...they have unfair advantages in most sports...guess we will have to do something about that.

Your fantasy of a equal utopia sounds like a horrible nightmare to me.


And we are talking about America...one of the biggest issue OWS has is that corporations need to bring jobs back from overseas. Yeah, screw those really really poor people that are willing to work for low wages....OWS needs iPads and Starbucks.

Let's not pretend this is a humanitarian movement...if that was the case, you should be arguing for fair wages overseas instead of stealing jobs away from those that are magnitudes worse off than any OWS protestor is. This is a movement directed towards WALL STREET...and AMERICAN CORPORATIONS.

Please...don't try to tell me you care about those overseas.


What is insane is the what is coming out of OWS supporters.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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Don't assume so much. If I could afford to go back to school I would. I am looking outside my field how do you suppose I ended up looking at groundskeeper job? I do not have many of the things I once had, computer and internet are required not just for me and my job search but for my son for school. I clean houses at the moment so that my son and I have something. But it's not enough.

I can't believe you took the conservative road of we shouldn't begrudge outsourced jobs because it feeds poor families. I do not hold it against any person for doing what needs to be done to feed their children. But we slap sanctions on countries for human rights violations and then allow our corporations to exploit poor people. You think wages are the only thing they are skimping on? How about safety and environmental regulations? It is criminal and you just sneer and think people should appreciate working 10 hours a day for crumbs.

I can't believe how obtuse you are being. We are not clueless as to how things work. Why should it become political when politics don't work? I should say political in the traditional sense.
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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

It's not fair you had loving parents...you have an unfair advantage. We know the government can't force parents to love you...so I guess we will just have to take all kids away from their parents...raise them in a government institution where they are all treated "equally". Sure...probably equally poorly...but hey...at least no one has an unfair advantage.

And what about those kids that just seem naturally smarter than others??? What shall we do with those evil kids that have an unfair advantage? And those tall kids...they have unfair advantages in most sports...guess we will have to do something about that.


Yeah ... that is pretty much what I said.


I am done here. Have a good life OutKast Searcher



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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This video, uploaded by National Review non the less (a very right of center ESTABLISHMENT organization), is nothing but read meat (aka propaganda) for the right wingers in the US. YES, there are libtards out there like this young fella, but the vast majority of people who started and supported OWS IN THE BEGINNING were not left wing liberals. They were real middle of the road people who are tired of the corrupt corporate owned government, much the same as the initial founders of the Tea Party!

That's why establishment media is only going out and interviewing people like this young lad. It's a TOTAL distraction aimed at further dividing middle America and making them choose sides against the OWS movement. The establishment left did the same thing with the Tea Party at their rallies, only interviewing guys with pistols on their hips claiming Obama was born in Kenya.

Nothing more, nothing less. I'm sure anyone could go out and find thousands of people in the crowd who agree with my stance (and probably the majority of people in this thread), but the establishment media won't do it.

WAKE UP people.
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