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Occupy Wall Street Protester Wants College Paid For Because That's What He Wants

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posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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Not everyone wants to work a blue collar job being a skilled tradesman... And you act like there is a demand for those people today


And not everyone has the intelligence and determination to make it through college and be successfull at the white-collar jobs.

Sorry...that's just the way it is.


EXACTLY!!! Take away the curve grading system used in most universities, and that would solve half our problems. There are way too many kids going through the higher education system that would be far better off pursuing a different path.




posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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I also said create more jobs here. But we both know the jobs wouldn't have left if they had to pay the same wages outside of america, we both know the jobs would still be here if they had to conform to the same saftey standards etc...

So you're perfectly ok that exploitation has occured?
You're perfectly ok with corporations buying our politicians?

I'm done having this conversation with you, I don't think I will lose any sleep over your inability to comprehend nor will I over you thinking I'm just another mindless idiot whining on the streets for a handout.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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Wow, some of you people really don't get out much, do you ?

Here's a list of some of the countries that offer tuition-free post-secondary education to all of its citizens:

Sweden
Norway
Switzerland
France
Denmark
Argentina
Brazil
Scotland

... just to name a few.


These countries view post-secondary education as an investment in the future productivity and economic empowerment of its citizens. Post-secondary educated people have a tendency to find decent paying jobs and thus donate more to the tax revenue pool.


What a crazy concept, eh? Pfft... bunch of dummy socialists.


/sarcasm



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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So you're perfectly ok that exploitation has occured?
You're perfectly ok with corporations buying our politicians?


No I am not...but I am not the one pretending to be against GREED...just so I can strip away the only income from someone poorer than me so I can have MORE (aka...GREED).

It's hypocritical.

At least have some dignity and say you aren't against GREED....that you are all for it...but you just want more of what the rich have for yourself.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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Um, I guess you haven't read the news lately: those entitlement countries - aka the European Union, are falling apart because of massive debt from things like, you guessed it, FREE TUITION. Some of those same countries subsidize drug addiction for crying out loud.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:08 PM
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Are you suggesting that the colleges are losing money now or breaking even? I believe that many colleges (for profit & NFP) are making money each year...

To get a solid job today you will more than likely need a college degree to land it. There are very few job opportunities today and there are many many people looking to fill the few slots companies have open. Now I ask you, say a company is looking to hire someone to fill some corporate role, are they more likely to hire someone with or without a college degree?

To make it in this country comfortably today you need a college degree... To price it so high that people cant go is just plain wrong....I'm 26 and I currently am enrolled in college, i am one of the lucky few who was able to land a corporate sales job without a degree, but to move up anywhere i will need that degree. Luckily Im able to work 8-5 and go to school 6-10pm 4 nights a week.... I will agree with you that it takes a lot of hard work and dedication to go to college today, but i do believe that there are many people out there that will never get that opportunity.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by Drew99GT
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Um, I guess you haven't read the news lately: those entitlement countries - aka the European Union, are falling apart because of massive debt from things like, you guessed it, FREE TUITION. Some of those same countries subsidize drug addiction for crying out loud.


Um, I guess you haven't read the news lately: The United States is falling apart because of massive debt from things like, you guessed it... um... hmm...uh... okay wait... they don't offer free tuition... hmm.

I haven't heard of Sweden or Switzerland or Finland needing bailouts, or being in any kind of "massive debt". Got any links to provide data showing how "free tuition" is what's causing the EU to collapse ? Thanks.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Stop being ridiculous. No-one is saying that we want to take jobs away from poor people. You're delibrerately missing the point. Now I'm done lol.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:21 PM
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College has become a tool of our corporate task masters. It is used as a means to bury you in debt before you even get out of the gate. If you are indebted to them, you will have to accept whatever wage they choose to offer you. The number of jobs that you actually need a degree for are much smaller than those that could be done by the average person off the street. There was a time when you could get a job and were promoted by your ability. Now many times the most able get passed by for the person who doesn't really have a clue but has a piece of paper. And never worked a day in the field to begin with.

You can make any number of well I did it this way why can't you assumptions. Sure you can join the military and get college paid for at tax payer expense. But unfortunately many people have an ethical issue with being a hired killer just to get an education. Perhaps a term of service doing something else could be an option, I am not particularly opposed to the idea of some kind of service for an education but I am against violating someones conscience to do so. Yes scholarships are available, but again those are a limited resource as well.

If you insist on having a hierarchical structure to society it becomes important to realize that everyone can't be rich. But that doesn't mean those at the bottom of the hierarchy should be crushed under the tops boot heel.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:31 PM
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hee hee....anyone want to throw rocks at those who worked as strippers or prostitutes to pay for their college educations in cash?

edit on 14/10/11 by RainbeauBleu because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by RainbeauBleu
hee hee....anyone want to throw rocks at those who worked as strippers or prostitutes to pay for their college educations in cash?

edit on 14/10/11 by RainbeauBleu because: (no reason given)


I'm doing that right now...It's a very tough life



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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Are you kidding me? Education is the basic right...until we turn 18 and should have to pay an arm and a leg to get in?

This is why i dropped out of university. They put me 35k in debt and I was only half way through. I couldn't go on knowing the chances of me getting a job right after would be slim.

I know, "well you didn't try"

I work in a mail room and so does a few people that were in my university class. They graduated 2 years ago.



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by GringoViejo


Now this is just sad.

How many of the protesters do you suppose are as ill informed and selfish as this young man?

At 1:15 in the video you get to the core of his rationale, which is basically :pay for my college because I want you to."

This is why the OWS crowd gets such a bad rep. I don't doubt that the movement has it's fair share of intelligent minds with hearts in the right place, But how can we get behind this as a nation when we see so many of the protesters give the same types of reasons as this man?



He comes across as, as you so eloquently put it in one word... "ill-informed" ......and no doubt a member of generation "ME" who feels he's going to be the recipient of countless acts of generosity which will propel him to unprecednted heights of wealth and stardom !

He's a fool who hasn't quite figured that out yet !



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by gandhi
Are you kidding me? Education is the basic right...until we turn 18 and should have to pay an arm and a leg to get in?

This is why i dropped out of university. They put me 35k in debt and I was only half way through. I couldn't go on knowing the chances of me getting a job right after would be slim.

I know, "well you didn't try"

I work in a mail room and so does a few people that were in my university class. They graduated 2 years ago.



...."I work in a mail room and so does a few people that were in my university class.".

Yikes.... University education? ...... replace "does" with "do" and you'll be out of the mail room sooner than you think !



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by KeliOnyx
College has become a tool of our corporate task masters. It is used as a means to bury you in debt before you even get out of the gate. If you are indebted to them, you will have to accept whatever wage they choose to offer you. The number of jobs that you actually need a degree for are much smaller than those that could be done by the average person off the street. There was a time when you could get a job and were promoted by your ability. Now many times the most able get passed by for the person who doesn't really have a clue but has a piece of paper. And never worked a day in the field to begin with.


I see by your reply you have witnessed the same things I have over the years. My father was able to own a home, and support a wife and 4 daughters with no higher education than a GED.

When I became an adult I was able to eventually secure an entry level glassware washing job at a industrial chemical company. While I worked my way higher through the ranks in clerical positions I also took chemistry classes in the evening and eventually was promoted to a lab technician. During the years prior to my promotion I watched the corporate environment start to change. Prior to this time there were certain chemist positions that depended more on experience learned within the company's laboratory environment more than a college degree, due to methods and procedures. A number of the chemists above me had little more than an associates degree, but the depth of their experience as they worked their way up through the ranks into those positions garnered great respect from others in the field.

As the corporate climate changed, those positions were previously required a minimum of a bachelors degree or # years of experience, the years of experience were dropped allowing only for prospects with advanced degrees. I saw people hired for these positions who were totally inept even after months of concentrated training, and people with years of experience excluded from these positions due to their lack of a college degree covering their errors.

I saw company loyalty which once was prized and rewarded go out the window, in exchange for the corporate "prestige" of being able to say they employed only people with such and such degrees, people who considered staying with the same company for more than 5 years as being a sign of a slouch, a hindrance in furthering their positions in life. I saw a decrease in employer benefits, which were once a reward for hard work and loyalty, I saw pay scales stagnate while the cost of living rose, and at the same time I saw an increase in top level executive salaries.

Some examples of salaries stagnating: In 1988 an entry level position in computer sciences was approximately 39,000, in 2010 an entry level position in computer sciences was approximately 40,000. In 1979 a union cashier at major grocers hourly wage was around 8.00 per hour. In 2011 the average hourly wage for the same position within the same companies was around 8.00 per hour.

It's kinda sad



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by CranialSponge
Wow, some of you people really don't get out much, do you ?

Here's a list of some of the countries that offer tuition-free post-secondary education to all of its citizens:

Sweden
Norway
Switzerland
France
Denmark
Argentina
Brazil
Scotland

... just to name a few.


These countries view post-secondary education as an investment in the future productivity and economic empowerment of its citizens. Post-secondary educated people have a tendency to find decent paying jobs and thus donate more to the tax revenue pool.


What a crazy concept, eh? Pfft... bunch of dummy socialists.


/sarcasm


...and most if not all, are on the brink of insolvency !

It'll be rioting in the streets (similar to the post Vancouver Canucks loss to the Boston Bruins) when the governrments of those countries come to their senses and have to cut off the next generation from all that free education.

There's only so much tax revenue and governments will have to choose what benefits they dish out to the teeming masses....



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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I dont expect, nor want, tuition to be free...I want to pay for my education, I just feel like the cost of a college education today is getting a little out of hand when you add up tuition, cost of living, and text books. It's just a very tough expense to take on if youre paying for it by yourself (without mommy and daddys help)....



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by Pixiefyre

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
College has become a tool of our corporate task masters. It is used as a means to bury you in debt before you even get out of the gate. If you are indebted to them, you will have to accept whatever wage they choose to offer you. The number of jobs that you actually need a degree for are much smaller than those that could be done by the average person off the street. There was a time when you could get a job and were promoted by your ability. Now many times the most able get passed by for the person who doesn't really have a clue but has a piece of paper. And never worked a day in the field to begin with.


I see by your reply you have witnessed the same things I have over the years. My father was able to own a home, and support a wife and 4 daughters with no higher education than a GED.

When I became an adult I was able to eventually secure an entry level glassware washing job at a industrial chemical company. While I worked my way higher through the ranks in clerical positions I also took chemistry classes in the evening and eventually was promoted to a lab technician. During the years prior to my promotion I watched the corporate environment start to change. Prior to this time there were certain chemist positions that depended more on experience learned within the company's laboratory environment more than a college degree, due to methods and procedures. A number of the chemists above me had little more than an associates degree, but the depth of their experience as they worked their way up through the ranks into those positions garnered great respect from others in the field.

As the corporate climate changed, those positions were previously required a minimum of a bachelors degree or # years of experience, the years of experience were dropped allowing only for prospects with advanced degrees. I saw people hired for these positions who were totally inept even after months of concentrated training, and people with years of experience excluded from these positions due to their lack of a college degree covering their errors.

I saw company loyalty which once was prized and rewarded go out the window, in exchange for the corporate "prestige" of being able to say they employed only people with such and such degrees, people who considered staying with the same company for more than 5 years as being a sign of a slouch, a hindrance in furthering their positions in life. I saw a decrease in employer benefits, which were once a reward for hard work and loyalty, I saw pay scales stagnate while the cost of living rose, and at the same time I saw an increase in top level executive salaries.

Some examples of salaries stagnating: In 1988 an entry level position in computer sciences was approximately 39,000, in 2010 an entry level position in computer sciences was approximately 40,000. In 1979 a union cashier at major grocers hourly wage was around 8.00 per hour. In 2011 the average hourly wage for the same position within the same companies was around 8.00 per hour.

It's kinda sad



Well said....exactly where're it's at today in terms of hiring practices!

Star from me for your post, but no more in your pay envelope !!!



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
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I dont expect, nor want, tuition to be free...I want to pay for my education, I just feel like the cost of a college education today is getting a little out of hand when you add up tuition, cost of living, and text books. It's just a very tough expense to take on if youre paying for it by yourself (without mommy and daddys help)....


Absolutely agree with you !

Books are outrageously priced and updated each and every year with a few added paragraphs here and there to warrant the price increase / need to use a newer version..

...if you were my son / daughter I'd be prepared to cover 4-7 years of study at no cost to you............. No I'm not adopting !



posted on Oct, 14 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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Blessings! I know you are a compassionate and patient soul.
Be Well!



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