U.S. Scientist Patents Time Machine. Possible Connection To John Titor?

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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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If it's true then he's already in the future, which means what we're doing now and will be doing in the future has already happened. So, it would seem, life is but a cd player set on an infinite loop on the same song. Unless it's leaping into a parallel universe where things would be different.




posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 07:27 PM
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1. Michio Kaku didn't invent the scale. Nikolai Kardashev did. Hence its name -- the Kardashev Scale.

2. It explicitly mentions Type I and II civilizations, which have harnessed the full power of their planet and star, respectively.

3. Carl Sagan developed an equation, based on extrapolated energy values for Type I, II, and III civilizations, for calculating the Kardashev number for any civilization. We're currently at about 0.7.



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL
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It doesn't have to work you can patent an idea and design alone;


Unlike copyrights, patents protect the idea or design of the invention, rather than any tangible form of the invention, and so patenting something is a much trickier procedure than copyrighting something. To patent something you have invented (whether it's a product or some sort of process


www.howstuffworks.com...

ALS


I was unaware of that. Thank you. Does this mean I can now sue Johnson and Johnson for stealing my idea for a baby wipe warmer?


Originally posted by iterationzero
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1. Michio Kaku didn't invent the scale. Nikolai Kardashev did. Hence its name -- the Kardashev Scale.

2. It explicitly mentions Type I and II civilizations, which have harnessed the full power of their planet and star, respectively.

3. Carl Sagan developed an equation, based on extrapolated energy values for Type I, II, and III civilizations, for calculating the Kardashev number for any civilization. We're currently at about 0.7.


Dang, I'm slippin'!
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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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I was unaware of that. Thank you. Does this mean I can now sue Johnson and Johnson for stealing my idea for a baby wipe warmer?


A microwave works good for that.
Been there done that.
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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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My speculative guess is that this guy is John Titor. The Titor story always fascinated me, not because I thought he was a time traveler, but because so many people seemed to believe it. And, the way he presented his story was pretty good, the guy is sharp. Obviously, this guy is extremely sharp.



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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Ok,I'm a little confused ,go figure.
So this story of John Titor did not originate on ATS, but from a site that no longer exists?



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 11:11 PM
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I am more inclined to believe the John Titor guy simply took ideas from this scientist. Who ever wrote it had considerable knowledge in many advanced areas of theoretical physics, including quantum mechanics, quantum gravity, string theory, particle physics, M-theory, quantum field theory, etc. He explains the nature of matter in a very fundamental way which corresponds to Plancks minimal "quantum" of energy, as well as describing a model of gravity and space-time which can provide unity between many conflicting theories. But the meat of it is where he describes how it might be possible to change the curvature of space time by modifying gravitational fields.

The problem is that John Titor popped up in late 2000, and that patent appears to have been filed late 2004, not to be published until 2006. There is no doubt that Titor is connected with the patent, the schematics are exactly the same (however I did note that the patent only had a few drawings, and was missing many that Titor presented). But what boggles my mind is why someone would put together a complex paper like this and pay for a US patent just to pull some elaborate hoax. It doesn't add up. There's definitely more going on here than meets the eye. Very interesting stuff.
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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 11:20 PM
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BUMMER!!! And now it seems the only thing holding this new time machine back is the old 5000 series IBM computer!!! Darn those dimensional shifts when you time Travel, looks like JT never made it back to 'this timeline.



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by antar
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BUMMER!!! And now it seems the only thing holding this new time machine back is the old 5000 series IBM computer!!! Darn those dimensional shifts when you time Travel, looks like JT never made it back to 'this timeline.


Aha Ha Ha Ha .
So funny.


I'm just intrigued by this whole"hoax" thats all.
Fun reading.
What really draws my interests is the fact that there is little on the patent office for this application.
I found it once,now it's gone.
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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 11:55 PM
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I see one of two scenario's

The Patent was filed because they physics stood up to relativley extensive (four years worth) of looking at what Titor suggested, the theoretical math was then applied allowing the the idea to work on paper, the man who patented it did so because.. why not, no one else has and the idea can work in a theoretical manner.. its clear the guy who pateneted it has some money so why not hold onto somthing that with his education he can speculate that ina theoretical scenario it could work....

Or.. ( a little more far fetched)

This is like the terminator Scenraio (even saying the next section could cause the grandfather effect and destroy the universe)

The drawings provided by Titor.. Actually cause the Time machine Titor used to travel back in to be created (like the arm in terminator two) the scientist has looked it over patented it, creates it in a few years time, madness occurs on earth Titor is sent back to get an old IBM to use the basic level programing to save the world and some kind of inifnity loop is created where Nothing has ever been invented it has just came to be in exsistence (which is making my head hurt thinking about)

Whilst reading through this i realised.. Titor Said he was stopping by in 2000 before going back further did he not? Could this have been to leave the Drawings online? to allow the theory to be applied and a machine to be built? could a scientist who asked him to go back request he leaves such a drawing in a place he found the very same drawing online in 2001 that made him explore the idea?



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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Here's another bit of random info. I'll be watching this.


In the 2009 Japanese visual novel, novel, manga, and anime series, Steins;Gate, the legend of John Titor, the IBM 5100, the organization CERN, and a character using his name as a pseudonym, play vital roles in the story.[26]

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posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by kdog1982

Originally posted by antar
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BUMMER!!! And now it seems the only thing holding this new time machine back is the old 5000 series IBM computer!!! Darn those dimensional shifts when you time Travel, looks like JT never made it back to 'this timeline.


Aha Ha Ha Ha .
So funny.


I'm just intrigued by this whole"hoax" thats all.
Fun reading.
What really draws my interests is the fact that there is little on the patent office for this application.
I found it once,now it's gone


indeed
they read this thread,
travelled back in time
and took it from the patent office- great Scott!


thus creating a paradox that could destroy the universe
admittedly that's a worse-case scenario
- it may juts be limited to our own galaxy



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 01:50 AM
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I am from the year 2249 as is he, He's a poor man where/when he comes from and what he's done is come back to 2011 to claim the design to make him rich in 2249



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by OldCorp
IDK if he's John Titor or not, but the possible connection is fascinating to speculate on. I have a problem with the patent claim though. I think that in order to patent something, it actually has to work. And unless this guy knows more than he's telling, there is no way to make it work until (according to the OP) someone can actually harness a singularity.

If we had that technology, we would be what Michio Kaku calls a Type 3 civilization, controlling the power of an entire galaxy ( I think that's Type 3, I don't remember exactly.) I do remember that he said we are currently a Type 0 civilization.

*Gee, since he made up the scale, you'd think he'd at least make us a Type 1 civilization.


I have trouble taking the Michio Kaku guy seriously. He strikes me as overconfident in everything he says, even when it's all theory. Overconfidence and pride can only hinder science. When I saw a clip of him explaining the civilization types, and explaining that other alien races would have no interest in Earth because it is a type zero civilization (as you said, his scale), he was stating as fact what alien life would think or do. He did not present it as a possibility, he presented it as fact. I don't like the guy.

As for the time machine story, the op said it, it's Before it's news. Is anything ever any good from that site?



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 04:54 AM
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Finally something with a little substance.

So that drawing did get patented?

After all the ongoing arguments about that schematic that was posted from JT all those years back, someone with some kind of knowledge of how things work has patented it - and from what I have read, exactly as it was originally done all those years back.

Does that mean that John Titor can come back and sue for copyright should the device ever get built and actually work?

John Rick Haber was someone who was suspected of being the real John Titor, not sure if it was ever proven?
But might be an idea to check up on him and see what his latest statements are.


Could this really be the real deal?

Did John leave us with the blue print to really Time Travel?

I love it!!!!

lets see where this goes!



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 06:04 AM
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Here's a link to the patent he filed. If he hasn't gotten it working by now it looks like a wasted patent. method of gravity distortion and time displacement



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 06:11 AM
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Originally posted by buster2010
Here's a link to the patent he filed. If he hasn't gotten it working by now it looks like a wasted patent. method of gravity distortion and time displacement


It's not a patent.It's an application for a patent.
There is no patent.



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 07:21 AM
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IDK if he's John Titor or not, but the possible connection is fascinating to speculate on. I have a problem with the patent claim though. I think that in order to patent something, it actually has to work. And unless this guy knows more than he's telling, there is no way to make it work until (according to the OP) someone can actually harness a singularity.


Wow, phone the 2012 hotline, I'm about to agree with OldCorp!

I'm not sure how this patent is actually valid? I thought you actually had to have proof of concept not just a rough idea. By that line of thinking, can't I just go ahead and patent any idea that might be possible at some point in the future?

Anyways, I view anything coming from BIN with a very skeptical eye, i mean, most of it ends up in the Hoax BIN anyways, and BIN in right there as the acronym.

It would be fascinating if any of this were true, but for me the john Titor hoax was uncovered as just that, a hoax, and the longer it went on the clearer it became that it wasn't even THAT good of a hoax.

But give the man credit, he had come very close to the perfect hoax, this whole diverging world line nonsense makes it impossible to prove, or disprove, his claims. But his entire story was weak. So in 2036 they have the technology to produce a working time machine, in which you can actually pick a specific date to go back or forward to, but they had to go back to the 1970s for some IBM prototype piece of crap?

He can't tell us anything to prove his claims because it will change history, yet he claims we are on separate world lines so it wouldn't change his history at all. then again, wouldn't going back to get that crappy IBM from the 70s also change the course of history?

I'm gonna see what I can learn about this guy and the patent without giving any additional hits to BIN.



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 07:21 AM
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board lag caused double post? I only clicked once darn it
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posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 07:26 AM
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Read the design, go back in time, and patent it before him. How #ing stupid is that?





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