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OWS Useful Idiots, but Useful to Who?

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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 09:30 AM
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I really don’t care about the origins of the “Occupy Wall Street” movement. Personally, I believe that it was staged by the unions, the Socialist and Communist parties, a rebranded ACORN and Soros. What I do care about is what it has become.
There has been much said about the lack of coverage by the MSM, even though the MSM is owned by the very corporations that are being protested against. The majority of the coverage I have seen has been about how politicians (Obama, Pelosi…etc.), Unions and the rebranded ACORN are in favor of the protest and supportive of those who are protesting. Whatever the reasons that OWS was formed it is being hijacked. I used to work for a company that did advertising and they had a saying, “In our industry, perception is reality”. Right now the perception of OWS is that they are campaigning for Obama and supporting the Democrat Party.

No matter what OWS actually stands for, it is being corrupted in the way it is being presented to the rest of the world. Those of you who are involved with OWS need to consider this.




posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by JIMC5499

Right now the perception of OWS is that they are campaigning for Obama and supporting the Democrat Party.

No matter what OWS actually stands for, it is being corrupted in the way it is being presented to the rest of the world. Those of you who are involved with OWS need to consider this.


Who are you calling idiots exactly ? The people that are actually willing to do something rather than yourself who sits at your desk, pointing out the incredibly obvious ?

The media spins stuff ? NO WAY that's huge news I guess I will have to consider this, as it changes everything. "Hey guys call it all off, the media is spinning the story, time to pack it in"

Also, only the truly ignorant would think they are out there supporting Obama , get a grip on reality.

The creators, and organizers of ows www.adbusters.org... ,but you don't care who started it or organized it right ?

You also make the assumption that the people who are out there are somehow less informed than you, which couldn't be further from the truth.

Useless post, useless to everyone is what this thread should be renamed, seriously, why not post the sky is blue.
edit on 12-10-2011 by DrunkNinja because: I made several typos as the fear of media spin set in



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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Its only perceived that way by people on the right, people who are ruled by fear, people who need to label everything they come in contact with as Lib/Rep, in general, people who are misinformed.
You need to consider that.



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by DrunkNinja
Who are you calling idiots exactly ? The people that are actually willing to do something rather than yourself who sits at your desk, pointing out the incredibly obvious ?

The media spins stuff ? NO WAY that's huge news I guess I will have to consider this, as it changes everything. "Hey guys call it all off, the media is spinning the story, time to pack it in"

Also, only the truly ignorant would think they are out there supporting Obama , get a grip on reality.

The creators, and organizers of ows www.adbusters.org...

Useless post, useless to everyone is what this thread should be renamed, seriously, why not post the sky is blue.





"Useful idiot" is often used as a pejorative term for those who are seen to unwittingly support a malignant cause through their 'naive' attempts to be a force for good.


Wikipedia "Useful Idiot"

I stand by what I named this thread.



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:03 AM
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You are SOOOO misinformed. The people protesting ARE NOT IN SUPPORT OF ANY POLITICAL PARTY. Dude, O'Reilly lied to you.
So keep sitting at home, doing nothing positive. Waste of a post.



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by Cantmakedisup
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You are SOOOO misinformed. The people protesting ARE NOT IN SUPPORT OF ANY POLITICAL PARTY. Dude, O'Reilly lied to you.
So keep sitting at home, doing nothing positive. Waste of a post.


NO KIDDING! I never said that they were. What I said is that PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION of OWS is being influenced by the MSM to make them BELIEVE that they are.



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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Did you really need to quote my post in its entirety to add a half sentence response ?

You stick to what you said, ok cool check this out

An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way.
en.wikipedia.org...

You are an idiot, and I stand by that statement. Please continue to point out that the sky is blue, that water is wet, and continue to prove that the education system in your country is clearly in need of an overhaul.

The post below this one is awesome, and really shows the type of person that would author this type of nonsense.


edit on 12-10-2011 by DrunkNinja because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by JIMC5499
"Useful idiot" is often used as a pejorative term for those who are seen to unwittingly support a malignant cause through their 'naive' attempts to be a force for good.

Wikipedia "Useful Idiot"

I stand by what I named this thread.

Useful idiot
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[...]
This page was last modified on 12 October 2011 at 04:39.



Don't post your own Wiki-entry as a source


ETA:
Actually, the term "Useful idiot", though once really used to describe Soviet sympathizers in Western countries, today also describes blind supporters of government, Tea Party Members and even islamist Supporters.

I guess useful idiocy is pretty evenly distributed

edit on 12-10-2011 by ColCurious because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:19 AM
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To me... the problem of OWS is that when someone questions them, or their intent, or says something critical...I see responses chastising the critics or the inquirers with.."You are asleep" or "You are afraid to do something, sitting and hiding behind a desk."..."You take what the MSM spoon feeds you."

What I don't see is a concise and reasonable explanation of what OWS is protesting... the previous posts are good examples of what I am talking about.

What OWS doesn't understand and the previous posters either...is that most of America does not understand what they are protesting.

OK... call us stupid, asleep, the sheeple...OK.. feel better? Now...why are you protesting? Tell us in a simple paragraph why you are doing what you are doing?

The OWS is one protest...the Tea Party is another protest... BUT, there is a large group of Americans that are silent...the "silent majority."

They are too busy working, farming, trying to feed their family and meet obligations and responsibilities to just drop everything... leave Pig Nuckle, Tennessee and head to the nearest big city and protest.

They are not iggnorant, nor are they timid, nor are they asleep. They have children, families, and businesses to tend to. They really want to understand what OWS is all about... we only know what we are told and what we hear in passing.

We know how movements get taken over... and manipulated...we see it in commercials, in culture, in movies, in social styles...and we know it happens in political movements. OWS.. you do know that somewhere in the organization, you are being hijacked just like the Tea Party?... and any other movement... a tool to guide and lead public opinion.

So, before it is too late...what is OWS and why are you protesting?



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by DrunkNinja
You stick to what you said, ok cool check this out
An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way.
You are an idiot, and I stand by that statement. Please continue to point out that the sky is blue, that water is wet, and continue to prove that the education system in your country is clearly in need of an overhaul.


Your words state what you are better than I ever could. How about you crawl back under your rock and mind your own country's business, instead of butting on mine. Have a nice day.



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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Wow, you must have completely overlooked the part where I stated

The creators, and organizers of ows www.adbusters.org... you don't care who started it or organized it right ?

All you got to do is click the link, and it will clearly explain it all. Why do you write post before complaining about them ? Again, get a grip on reality? When I said sitting at a desk, it was because that is where you sit to use a computer, use your critical thinking skills.



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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I'm left leaning and I am having trouble putting my full support behind the movement. I'm not sure I have liked what I have seen on the livestream of the protesters and their tactics. The core of the group seems very insular and although they say things like "come along and share your views", I'm not sure whether they are ready to listen to them at their nightly "general assembly" meetings (where was the democracy in selecting them?).

It seems they are operating in a filter bubble, where they only want to see and hear a positive view of what they are doing. It seems like any dissent is stifled and opposing views, welcomed, but ignored.

They are not interested in reaching out to the real poor of New York, they are not interested in taking their message to the ghetto's and the Bronx ignoring swathes of those they claim to represent.

Maybe I am judging them too harshly, it is good that people are out and protesting, but I cant help being cynical about many of those in that park



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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No... you tell me in your own words... not a link, not some article.

Articulate for me what OWS is about. I could sit here all day and write about my political beliefs...but, I am asking for you to articulate to me and others what it is that OWS believes.



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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good thing they don't call for a General Work Strike like in other countries..... If they did then they'd find out just how many people really don't care about what they are doing.



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by JIMC5499
Your words state what you are better than I ever could. How about you crawl back under your rock and mind your own country's business, instead of butting on mine. Have a nice day.


Thats the typical idiots response. You may as well have said "NO YOU ARE" you know like a child does... You realize that the creators and organizers of OWS are Canadian right ?

Did you know that ? No you didn't because you never bothered to learn anything about what your commenting on. You can refer back to the wikipedia entry on idiot, and maybe you can edit it the way you edited the entry for useful idiot.

You are not knowledeable on the matter at hand. You have used underhanded wiki editing to further the relevance of your pointless post. You have the writer tag, but cant form full sentences or edit your spelling or gramatical errors, and then you also tell people to crawl under a rock.

Go finish grade 6, I say this because of your "NO YOU ARE" comment.
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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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Why are they protesting? Why are they protesting?
You can't be serious.

Well, wall street and their cronies have caused the largest economic downturn since the GREAT DEPRESSION. Since that downturn Wall Street stock brokers or whatever you'd like to call them have received the largest pay hike ever. The rich just keep raking in the dough at the expense of the 99 percent....People are sick of it. Pfffftt. Why are they protesting? I laugh every time someone asks that....



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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Your demanding that I tell you what OWS is about when you have a link to the organizing site for the movement that explains everything ? Are you willfully stupid, or just stupid ?

Do I really have to write it all out because some child on a forum demands it ? No, I dont, and I wont. Click the link, and try reading for a change.
edit on 12-10-2011 by DrunkNinja because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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Do you know who funds Adbusters? I know this, it is old information. Some of the people at OWS have posted their views here and I agree with some of them. What I am trying to say is that all most people know about this is what they see on the MSM and the MSM is trying to spin OWS. Read the definition that I gave for 'Useful Idiot". It means no disrespect to the people at OWS, it is a statement of how they are being used.



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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You are only reinforcing my premise...still no explanation of OWS in YOUR own words and followed it with an insult.



posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by JIMC5499
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Do you know who funds Adbusters? I know this, it is old information.


I cant wait to hear who you think funds Adbusters, its old information right ? Even though you just learned of the organization 10 minutes ago, and had no clue that they are the organizers/creators of OWS upon writing this thread.

Go ahead tell me .... this should be good.
edit on 12-10-2011 by DrunkNinja because: (no reason given)



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