Europe to destroy traditional family and sexual identity

Originally posted by Walkers
Not in my name. A marriage = one man and one woman. A relationship = one man and one woman. A family = one man and one woman + their children. I will never change my views, no matter how hard they try and force them down our throats.

Agreed

Originally posted by WalkersHomosexuality is just wrong. Brainwashing children into thinking that this perverted way of living is acceptable is even worse. No ifs, no buts.

Agreed again

Originally posted by VelvetSplash
This isn't really happening, it's just a silly article to stir reactionary people up.

All these "it's political correctness gone MAD!" articles are the same, whether they're aimed at Muslims, homosexuals or one armed purple dwarves from Neptune. Put down your pitchfolks people there are no gay men or women anywhere calling for the words mother and father to be replaced. Deary me.

You're probably right, but even IF it did happen, just going on the responses on this thread on this website, hardly anyone would blink an eye and THAT'S the point.
Societies all around the world Have lost their faith in God and therefore their moral compass.
Very sad.

Originally posted by Skorpiogurl
I'm so tired of everything being so politically correct

This is just stupid.

Am I the only one who thinks its hilarious that the most "anti-PC" people immediately turn their brains off and go on the strong offense when people attack the semantics that THEY enthuse about as if it's in their religion?

That's not hypocritical at all, right?



Give me one example of having "parent one" and "parent two" columns appear coexistantly and underneath "mother" and "father" on a form is "destroying a family". Just one, and you won't be so typically thrust into that exact same "politically correct mad" group that you think you're condemning more than joining here.

Well, at least one good thing has come of this thread: I now know who all the god-bothery, homophobic woo-shunting bigots are. Now it will be easier for me to avoid defiling myself with their "conversation".

Originally posted by Annee
Oh God - - another "I have nothing against homosexuals - - but . . . "

They are equal - - they are the same. There is nothing wrong with their reproductive system. Homosexuals can and have had offspring the traditional way.

This isn't a gay rights issue. Its about what is best for the children.

Is homosexual adoption a positive thing for adopted children?

Here is a Spanish study from 2005 that I quickly found that states it isn't.

Among children raised by same-sex couples, the report notes a significant increase in low self-esteem, stress, confusion regarding sexual identity, an increase in mental illness, drug use, promiscuity, STD’s, and homosexual behaviour, amongst others.

Furthermore, the report shows that statistics have brought to light the fact that same-sex relationships betray a much higher instance of separation and break-up than heterosexual relationships, increasing the likelihood that the child will experience familial instability.

www.lifesitenews.com...

Here is some more information that suggests that homosexual adoption may not be equal to heterosexual adoption for the child.

Such journals as Developmental Psychology, Journal of Sex Research, Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, Child Psychology, and Human Development have all published articles illustrating the negative effects of homosexual parenting.

Homosexual parenting, in fact, undermines family and marriage.

Why?
1) It teaches that marriage is temporary and based on sex.
2) Sexual relationships aren't based on procreation but on pleasure.
3) Monogamy isn't the norm for homosexuals.

Homosexuals also suffer increased substance abuse, mental health problems, and reduced life span, and sexual identity confusion is more common among children of homosexuals.

One study found that 29 percent of the adult children of gay parents were sexually molested - compared to less than one percent for heterosexuals.

While most of the objections to homosexual adoption appear quite weak to me (point 1 to 3 above, for instance), the study that found that 29% of children of gay parents had been sexually molested is shocking, if true. It is only one study however and may be inaccurate.

However, according to the Spanish study, in fact many pro homosexual adoption studies themselve lack scientific rigour and are overwhelmingly written either by homosexuals or people active in the pro-gay rights movement.

The report contests that the majority of the studies carried out which have concluded in favour of same-sex parenthood betray an egregious lack of scientific rigour. Most of the studies show a strong bias to one side.

To prove this the report analyzes the nature of the individuals who have been responsible for the various studies carried out thus far, demonstrating that the vast majority are either homosexuals themselves, or active in the gay-rights movement.

Into this category fall all six of the six most prominent psychologists of the American Psychological Association, which, unsurprisingly is one of the organizations most strongly and vocally in favour of homosexual adoption.

www.lifesitenews.com...

If homosexual adoption of children is better for them than no adoption at all, then I am all for it.

Whatever is best for the children is what matters.

It should be kept in mind however that this isn't about gay rights. It's about what is best for the children.

reply to post by ollncasino


Dude you just brought in the most biased, bible-thumping religious news site I've ever seen and then pointed your finger at US studies and called them biased?

Look at the top topics, please:

# I just went to get my hair done - and saved a baby from abortion instead!
# Steve Jobs remembered for his stance against porn on iPhone
# Young pro-life activist, unborn daughter killed in tragic car crash
# Three babies saved from abortion after amazing coincidence
# Former abortion worker: when my childhood enemy came in for an abortion
# Santorum recalls crying baby in middle of partial-birth abortion speech

Do you also refute John Stewart segments with Fox News reports?

I agree that adoption is about the children, so it would be great if select heterosexuals would stop abandoning the poor little things and then telling gay people that THEY'RE the ones incapable of parenting responsibilities when they come in and pick up the bill instead of letting them wither away in an orphanage.

Originally posted by RidgidHarpy

Dude you just brought in the most biased, bible-thumping religious news site I've ever seen and then pointed your finger at US studies and called them biased?

My bad. You are right, I did. I never even looked at the site, I just read the summary of the study.

I'll see if I can dig up the actual reports, which is what matters, not who reports them.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by RidgidHarpy

Dude you just brought in the most biased, bible-thumping religious news site I've ever seen and then pointed your finger at US studies and called them biased?

My bad. You are right, I did. I never even looked at the site, I just read the summary of the study.

I'll see if I can dig up the actual reports, which is what matters, not who reports them.

edit on 13-10-2011 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Well sure the reports "matter". Unless they were conducted by people who are biased and to appease a partisan group-think, which is what these kind of "reports" are always tailored to do. It's how they teach you to do it in school, after all. Come up with an opinion, THEN determine your stance, THEN do your research, THEN write a conclusion that lines up with the stance you came up with before doing any research. That way, everyone keeps arguing because they devoutly align to things that never made any sense in the first place.

Originally posted by RidgidHarpy

Well sure the reports "matter". Unless they were conducted by people who are biased and to appease a partisan group-think, which is what these kind of "reports" are always tailored to do. It's how they teach you to do it in school, after all. Come up with an opinion, THEN determine your stance, THEN do your research, THEN write a conclusion that lines up with the stance you came up with before doing any research. That way, everyone keeps arguing because they devoutly align to things that never made any sense in the first place.

I agree. The way academia approaches things is a disgrace - drag the facts through the threory and ignore any facts which don't fit...

Anyway, I found the journal which produced the 29% of children of homosexuals have been sexually abused figure.

Cameron, P, & Cameron, K 1996, 'Homosexual parents', Adolescence, 31, 124, p. 757, SPORTDiscus with Full Text, EBSCOhost, viewed 13 October 2011.

Our survey, being population-based, allows for a limited estimate of how frequently sexual molestation of children by homosexual parents occurs; 5 (29%) of the 17 raised by a homosexual parent reported sex with the homosexual parent

So it is total nonsense. The survey only had 17 children raised by homosexual, so its findings are meaningless!

Originally posted by BlueSkies

Originally posted by thebtheb
And seriously, usually I have a lot of patience and understanding for people that despise homosexuality. I tell this to other gays all the time: I say to people that the way others feel about homosexuality is the WAY THEY FEEL. Sometimes it's very ingrained in them, either from upbringing, or religion, or not actually knowing any gays, or SIMPLY BECAUSE TO THEIR LOGIC, they find it unnatural. And we shouldn't expect them to just like it because society or parts of society tell them they should. I have NO PROBLEM with that.

You might be in some form of denial still. You either have patience or you don't with something. The rest of this post suggests you do not understand people attacking gays but you have a high tolerance of putting up/ignoring their comments.

PS: I have no issue with gays. Au contraire, I know many gay people and I enjoy their company.

I said "usually" thus no, not in this case. It's not either or. The rest of your comment makes no sense, so screw it.

Originally posted by Viking9019
reply to post by Kali74

 

Gays contradict the whole point of being attracted to someone and being with someone and they also can't have children so clearly cannot have them anyway.
Forget adoption,thats just wrong.

Great - then I hope that the only reason you ever have sex is to procreate. If you have it for any other reason, then you also contradict the point of being attracted to someone.

Originally posted by LPWilletts
Well, at least one good thing has come of this thread: I now know who all the god-bothery, homophobic woo-shunting bigots are. Now it will be easier for me to avoid defiling myself with their "conversation".

Agreed, I wish I hadn't sunk down and responded to any of them, and will no more.

reply to post by thebtheb


I've read through this whole cesspool of a thread, and have had to really bite my tongue! Kudos to you, friend, you've held your own very well and you are too good to bother sinking to their level.

I think in future I shall avoid gay-themed threads - they seem to bring out the worst in a lot of people, but at least the bigoted dimwits are exposed. I do not tolerate those who are themselves intolerant of others' differences.

I don't think they went far enough. Parent 1 and Parent 2? Seriously? This implies that people are in families, and this isn't fair to those not fortunate enough to have families. I think the word "parent" should be replaced with person. Person 1 and Person 2 is far less offensive to people without families. But...then there is the problem with the numbers 1 and 2 implying a hierarchy, so we gotta lose those. Person and Person fixes that...

But what about animals? They are left out completely! That isn't fair to our non-human friends. Therefore... the only logical solution is to use the labels Thing and Thing...

But what if you don't speak English?

reply to post by FejkNick


So you advocate the destruction of a natural ages old precept just because it satisfies your selfish need not to have your ego rattled when you hear the natural terms "Mother" and "Father" when used together to describe a "Family".
I apologise for possibly sounding a little country dumb, but, isnt that what a family is. two parents.
Why would you object to Father, and Father, you know like Father 1 and Father 2 or Mother 1 and Mother 2 you see that is still a Family consisting of two parents.
This is going in the direction of all children belonging to the state and dim witted loons like yourself are paddling this boat to their wanted destination as fast as you can.
The term Family is something i never expected to be "swiftboated" to the boondocks by morons.

This thread is an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE

Why do traditional values and customs get bulldozed for homosexuals these days. It isn't right plain and simple this country has seriously lost the plot!

reply to post by KingDoey


Yes, it is a disgrace, but not at all for the reason you put. It's more of a disgrace because people are not even remotely interested in TRUTH of the story, or the CONTEXT in which it exists.

No, they are only Interested in spouting off like retards and seeing who can shout loudest to proclaim how utterly DISGUSTED they are about something that ISN'T EVEN HAPPENING.

I believe the American phrase is "epic fail", of comprehension and intelligence certainly. And as for the site motto of Deny Ignorance..................words fail me.

Originally posted by KingDoey
This thread is an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE

Why do traditional values and customs get bulldozed for homosexuals these days. It isn't right plain and simple this country has seriously lost the plot!

Why do people like you not support equal rights for all people?

reply to post by Annee


'cos a lot of these people are retrogressive backward simpletons who cannot bring themselves to accept anyone who is different from themselves.

Why bother to ask? Why waste time giving a crap what they have to say on anything? They hardly "deny ignorance" do they.

Originally posted by SyphonX

I'm not going into such an obtuse, meandering argument with you. Again, tell yourself whatever you want to feel comfortable with being an inflammatory and insulting person. It doesn't make you seem intelligent or enlightened at all. You're not championing for any civil rights here, though again, you may tell yourself this if you wish.

Ignorance vs knowledge.

20 years ago I got a job at a company that primarily hired gays/lesbians (gay/lesbian couples). I was the token straight female. I was there for 6 years.

I took an interest in LGBT. Besides spending 6 years with my co-workers - - I began following gay issues on the internet (and other sources). I became interested in all aspects of equality for LGBT. That would be 20+ years of information/knowledge.

I probably know more about LGBT rights issues - - then most gays. Because like everyone else - - - being gay does not mean you have an interest in political issues. Gays like everyone else just go about living their life - - until something affects it that might spur them into action.

Your turn.

Originally posted by LPWilletts
reply to post by Annee

 

'cos a lot of these people are retrogressive backward simpletons who cannot bring themselves to accept anyone who is different from themselves.

Why bother to ask? Why waste time giving a crap what they have to say on anything? They hardly "deny ignorance" do they.

I know.

I still find it disturbing on a site - with the motto deny ignorance.