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Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
Since I don't believe in a god, that line of reasoning doesn't hold much for me.
And the mere existence of the universe doesn't support a twin-soul theory.
Originally posted by hadriana
I do remember, but what good is it to talk about it?
I can't prove it, so I might as well be making it up.
Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
Oh, I can wonder, and often do.
I/we don't understand a lot of different things about the universe because I/we lack the necessary tools to observe with, observation length, and hard data about too myriad a number of factors. So answers to the broader questions are hard to know as yet.
But the lack of a good explanation doesn't incite me to invoke deus ex machina, either.
The power to run our souls derives from the food we eat, the air we breathe, and the interactions we share with other living/moving things. One of the major points of having a body in the first place is to provide a steady supply of energy to the core consciousness.
Our souls don't "go" anywhere. They are here in the same environment that we exist. Most people are as unaware of them as they unaware of the radio signals that surround them. That is why most souls must find a new body swiftly or risk erosion by the streams of energies like radio they are suddenly naked to.
Think of it as akin to having to leap naked across open space from a crippled spacecraft to a whole one. The better physical shape you are in, the more likely you are to survive, but the survival rate will still be low. If we accept the premise any sufficiently complex biological system with have at least rudimentary consciousness as part of the condition of being alive, and using the spacecraft analogy, few of the early spirits will survive. Some will be lucky, and some will have exercised thought on some level and got a tighter pattern, leaving them in better physical shape to make the transit, albeit at the cost of severe injury.
Each survival creates a feedback loop that ups the chances of raw survival. When a spirit begins to question, observe, think and pull memory together, it begins to learn to dress for the occasion; slowly after lifetimes of trial and error learning how to bridge the gap and make the trip more or less intact, although so far as I know no one survives entirely whole, some is always lost.
I think that every human soul started life millions of years ago as small microscopic thing that experienced wonder, and thus started on the long, long path to higher consciousness. But we are not alone: nature never lays her eggs all in one basket.
We humans are but one ever-evolving set of higher-consciousness "souls", one path of many. There are tree-souls, whale-souls, dolphin-souls, ape-souls to name but a few, all different types of higher consciousness that experience the world in vastly different ways.
We humans are but one ever-evolving set of higher-consciousness "souls", one path of many. There are tree-souls, whale-souls, dolphin-souls, ape-souls to name but a few, all different types of higher consciousness that experience the world in vastly different ways.
Or rather, the period between death and reincarnation is where information of self is lost.
Forget the god nonsense, gods are the matrix people buy into: utterly unreal and unnecessary, serving only to cloud the mind and to blur reality so that you can be manipulated.
I wonder is it possible to have any plausible evidence of reincarnation or is all the evidence just intuition...
Couldn't you just "trick" them into walking out of their cave? Seems like a simple solution to me..
Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by ButtUglyToad
The universe is a vast and vastly subtle place...there is no matrix to buy into if you are aware enough to know that. That sort of talk is for children who are ignorant of reality. What I said was that no matter how strong we become, we never, to my knowledge or experience, survive reincarnation wholly, some part of us, our current life's memories, is always lost, not that souls get lost or are lost. Or rather, the period between death and reincarnation is where information of self is lost.
As far as your failure to see, acknowledge, or comprehend the existence of other types of souls...I take it you've never had a conversation with a tree or a dolphin? A pity, for they see the world in a very different way from us, it's a very fruitful and illuminating experience to share even a tiny bit of their consciousness and awareness of the world. But I must admit that to talk to a tree requires enormous patience: their sense of time is quite different from ours, we are but mayflies in their eyes, hardly worth trying to communicate with.
Forget the god nonsense, gods are the matrix people buy into: utterly unreal and unnecessary, serving only to cloud the mind and to blur reality so that you can be manipulated.
Originally posted by ImmortalThought
I wonder is it possible to have any plausible evidence of reincarnation or is all the evidence just intuition...
I believe in reincarnation and think I can pin point a few past lives, but there is no way for me to prove this with hard evidence.
Even the best evidence I have seen/heard could just be dismissed as coincidence. :/