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Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Being an individual soul has nothing to dew with a Collective Consciousness of One.
What part of twelve individual eggs being a dozen eggs together, don't you get? And while you collect eggs, you dew kNot collect souls, so your "collected" comment qualifies as moronically interesting.
You think just because you are an individual with independent thought, a soul is the same, when that isn't the truth. As a Soul, in soulform, you share ONE COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS with ALL SOULS, which means that while you are an individual soul, you dew kNot have independent thought, you think with the Whole as One.
So why dew you need to learn an individual lesson, when you can learn from the Whole?
Ribbit
Originally posted by NorEaster
Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Being an individual soul has nothing to dew with a Collective Consciousness of One.
True. In fact, the two contradict each other at a foundational level - but only if one is primordial, which seems to be what you're suggesting. If what you're claiming is that the individual soul is a holon component of the Collective Consciousness holon, then go ahead and have a ball with that, since that's (I suppose) like comparing each to a baseball player and baseball team (respectively). I don't agree with the premise, but at least your idea wouldn't be failing logically.
What part of twelve individual eggs being a dozen eggs together, don't you get? And while you collect eggs, you dew kNot collect souls, so your "collected" comment qualifies as moronically interesting.
I don't collect souls, but you seem to be trying to collect them. Unless, of course, you're redefining what "Collective" means - as in "Collective Consciousness of One" which suggests a single collective - or holon. Then again, maybe you don't really know what it is that you're suggesting.
You think just because you are an individual with independent thought, a soul is the same, when that isn't the truth. As a Soul, in soulform, you share ONE COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS with ALL SOULS, which means that while you are an individual soul, you dew kNot have independent thought, you think with the Whole as One.
I see, so there's absolutely no ultimate value realized by the mind as a result of the corporeal phase of existence. It struggles to make sense of itself, and the experience of conscious awareness, only to have the whole effort completely evaporate into a dissolution of self upon the death of the brain? Not very aligned with how the rest of reality operates.
So why dew you need to learn an individual lesson, when you can learn from the Whole?
Ribbit
You can't learn from the Whole if You do not exist as individual from the Whole. This is pretty simple stuff, but not if you are dedicated to never understanding it.edit on 10/13/2011 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by blazenresearcher
I was going to say..."You are quite Mad", but your post relates to mine...one up from yours!
Originally posted by blazenresearcher
reply to post by NorEaster
The point of the soul is a tranducer...something that converts one form of energy into another. It is the anchor and bridge from the physical world to the spiritual world. That is the souls purpose.
If you want to think about it like the program in a computer that is what it does. It has been pre-programmed with our life's mission.
The soul is not the spirit. It is different and most people confuse that.
Originally posted by Rocketman7
Originally posted by blazenresearcher
I was going to say..."You are quite Mad", but your post relates to mine...one up from yours!
I suppose I would have to be mad to reincarnate here.
It wouldn't be so bad if everything wasn't broken and machine intelligence hadn't mutinied and there weren't psychopathic killers running around everywhere and if people weren't compulsive liars, and if the food that tasted good wasn't bad for you and the food that tasted bad wasn't good for you.
And if money grew on trees.
Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Originally posted by blazenresearcher
reply to post by NorEaster
The point of the soul is a tranducer...something that converts one form of energy into another. It is the anchor and bridge from the physical world to the spiritual world. That is the souls purpose.
If you want to think about it like the program in a computer that is what it does. It has been pre-programmed with our life's mission.
The soul is not the spirit. It is different and most people confuse that.
Actually, transducer isn't quite it, try transmitter.
Your soul isn't within you, it's where it always lives and is connected to you, via Sub-dimensional Telekinesis.
As to your earlier comment before the one quoted here, as humans We have nothing learn individually, We are learning for the Whole, the Collective, by playing the part We are here to play.
Ribbit
Originally posted by Rocketman7
Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Originally posted by blazenresearcher
reply to post by NorEaster
The point of the soul is a tranducer...something that converts one form of energy into another. It is the anchor and bridge from the physical world to the spiritual world. That is the souls purpose.
If you want to think about it like the program in a computer that is what it does. It has been pre-programmed with our life's mission.
The soul is not the spirit. It is different and most people confuse that.
Actually, transducer isn't quite it, try transmitter.
Your soul isn't within you, it's where it always lives and is connected to you, via Sub-dimensional Telekinesis.
As to your earlier comment before the one quoted here, as humans We have nothing learn individually, We are learning for the Whole, the Collective, by playing the part We are here to play.
Ribbit
If you ask me the Collective is getting all the good stuff and having all the fun.
Originally posted by Rocketman7
Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Originally posted by blazenresearcher
reply to post by NorEaster
The point of the soul is a tranducer...something that converts one form of energy into another. It is the anchor and bridge from the physical world to the spiritual world. That is the souls purpose.
If you want to think about it like the program in a computer that is what it does. It has been pre-programmed with our life's mission.
The soul is not the spirit. It is different and most people confuse that.
Actually, transducer isn't quite it, try transmitter.
Your soul isn't within you, it's where it always lives and is connected to you, via Sub-dimensional Telekinesis.
As to your earlier comment before the one quoted here, as humans We have nothing learn individually, We are learning for the Whole, the Collective, by playing the part We are here to play.
Ribbit
If you ask me the Collective is getting all the good stuff and having all the fun.
Originally posted by Marlborough Red
My thoughts on the subject (in no particular order) are this:
We are all energy and create energy of varying forms. Energy can never be destroyed it is simply transferred; kinetic => heat or potential to kinetic etc etc.
I think people recounting past lives is possibly them recounting things from their deep subconscious imagination, dream state if you like.
We may not be reincarnated as human.
We can be reincarnated anywhere in the universe as anything. This opens up infinite possibilities especially if you believe in the possibility of parallel worlds, universes and some of the ideas of quantum physics.
MR
Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
reply to post by Phantom traveller
I've always wondered about phobias myself. I have a fear of being on bridges high above running water. Small creeks and such are no big deal. But the Mississippi River?
Terrifying. The only way I'll go back east is to fly.
There is no rational explanation as to why I have this fear either. As far back as I can remember, which is about 4 years of age, there was nothing that happened to me that would make me have this fear. It is an emotion though. Are emotions such as this learned?
Originally posted by TetsuoIronMan
reply to post by Phantom traveller
Your post resonates with me, my friend. To me it seems obvious that human souls experience reincarnation, and the vast majority of us have probably been here before. What you say about our past life experiences shaping our personalities in this life rings true to me, in my case I have always been drawn to music since as young as I can remember I have always felt the urge to become a musician. My best friend who I grew up with also shared this unexplained yearning from a very young age and we have grown up chasing that dream ever since. We have come far since then; we have become skilled composers and guitar players and played in various groups. Our current band is nominated for a local award show for best metal act in the south west of England so we must be doing something right
My point is that I have felt for a long time now that me and my friend were musicians in a past life and knew each other, I don't normally say this to anyone because I don't expect anyone to take me seriously but it just seems right to me.
Also, nice avatar man, Hypocrisy is one of my favourite metal bands!
Peace
This doesn't address the notion under consideration, since the concept of Reincarnation doesn't involve conservation of information. It involves the reassignment of dynamic information from one generating source that's failed to a new and unrelated generating source, without any regard for the survival imperative expression "inimitable Identity" which in all other instances of physical existence is a primordial requirement. Conservation by the contextual environment has not been demonstrated to be so crucial as to justify an extreme violation of any other existential staple, so why would unique and isolative Identity be treated as an exception? The logic simply doesn't work out.