Originally posted by greenCo
There is no "they". Its only us.
You're absolutely right, there is no "they", and it's all "us". What I am trying to address is the attempts to force a perception of "them vs.
us" with all the talk of a "99%" versus a "1%". It looks to me like an attempt to pit one against the other, an attempt at forcing "class
warfare" if you will. as long as that is going on, no real solutions will be found, only endless warfare and a vain hope for Valhalla in the end. The
"solutions" being put forth are nothing of the kind, they are simply trading the master on the "right" for the master on the "left". BOTH of
those masters would be in the "1%", and NONE of them care about the "99%".
That includes the puppet masters pulling the strings of this alleged "movement". they are pulling those strings and using the legitimate complaints
of these people, as well as their anger, as a vehicle to accomplish their own ends. There is more organization to this "unorganized movement" than
meets the eye.
What im trying to say (and failing miserably because my poor english ) is there is no "they" to blame. OWS are protesting "they" and I agree
with you in there is no point in protesting ourselves. But at least we are seeing something wrong in the system where we are living, no matters if is
in Egypt, Libia, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Chile, USA or in every place where things aren´t working for the 100% of us.
There's nothing wrong with your English. I personally would prefer to see people get the governments THEY want, in their own countries, without undue
outside influences. I don't care in the least about exporting "democracy" to the Arabs. They don't want it, and are not culturally suited to it,
and the US ought properly to just leave that alone, help them get the governments THEY want, and at the same time make it clear that we won't have
that here. We have our own set of problems that their forms cannot address, and vice versa.
The same goes for "Socialism". "Communism", and all the other collectivist "isms". I don't care if they have it "out there", wherever the
people may want it, but I'll die, grave yard dead, too dead to stink, before I'll live to see it here.
Anyway i love the input of ATS members like you, in fact I give you stars because you´re clever in your points, and put your heart on every post.
Aww shucks... you're making me blush! Thanks!
Shame on me because i live in a poor country in Latin america with endless needs, and its kind of refreshing to see people from almighty America
sharing the same concerns, and i find quite interesting that human suffering is the same no matters how powerful is the country in which u´re living.
No "shame" in that, at all. The "suffering" may be the same - discomfort is, after all, discomfort - but the causes differ from place to place.
There is no "one size fits all" solution for every where,and every when.
I personally think that a large part of the current problems could be adequately addressed in the US by placing crippling restrictions on
"multinational" corporations for doing business here, and favoring domestic industry. That would, of course, drive them "out there" into the rest
of the world, but the rest of you would have to find your own solutions for that. Perhaps they would be based upon the US model, perhaps not, but
whatever they are, they should suit your own locality and your own population.
Oddly, perhaps, it's likely that putting crippling restrictions on multinationals here could force them to behave more nicely, since it would
restrict their markets somewhat. If enough of those restrictions were emplaced in enough places, they would HAVE to behave, or face starvation. That,
in turn, requires working on the politicians with the power to make such restrictions, rather than standing and screaming at the Ivory Towers on Wall
The Wall Street problems could be addressed by taking the power to regulate the money supply out of their hands, and giving it back to the
governmental treasury, where the US Constitution SAYS it's supposed to reside. That would make the economy more responsive to the will of the people,
since, if the government failed to listen when they spoke, those governmental types could be directly out of a job. "Speculation" and trading in
"futures" should be banned outright. They are nothing more than market manipulation, and the effects trickle down to us ALL. It's impossible to
directly put the bankers out of a job given the current setup, and so screaming at them does nothing at all.
Those two things could go a long way towards fixing this mess in the US, and BOTH hinge on influencing government, and starving Wall Street - not
screaming at them.