Survey Results: Occupy Wall Street

Originally posted by cloaked4u
This woman puts it all together, watch, learn and do something. www.youtube.com... outstanding video.

Time to WAKE UP.

What this woman has to say, IMHO is the best evidence so far that all is not well in the 'United' States of America. This is some potentially scary stuff. If America goes the way of Germany and Italy back in the day I can't help but wonder who is going to be left to be an 'Ally'.

My own country has not yet shown the same level of progression as America seems to have and i am perplexed thinking about who we will ally with to try and throw the coming Dictators down, or worse yet, the possibility that my own little country will be part of the Axis.

Not Good.

who are these guests?

they seem an odd bunch, one wonders how they found themselves here... and by here i mean, planet earth.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

overwhelming support for more of the same and whats sitting in that oval office

there are alot of people warning everyone else that there is no difference between ows and the current adminstration and the only means of achieving whatever the hell their goal is taking more power more control and still not fixing a damn thing.

the us government already controls over 1 sixth of the us economy hell lets add more power to them and take power from us nah i want no part of the same stupidity that has led to this point in time.

in the words of james carvell ITS THE GOVERNMENT ............... !

edit on 11-10-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

...and the government is DEMONSTRABLY run by Wall Street

But who cares about that little fact, right?

reply to post by MrXYZ


the facts are both houses write the laws in this country but pay no attention to that little fact

this is the same damn thing as the gun control debate blame a thing instead of the people pulling the trigger

that is classic liberal ideology at its finest.

reply to post by MrXYZ


Only because we allow the government to assume power for itself only to see it co-opted by the moneyed interests. Reducing the size of government back to a Constitutional scope would go a long way toward breaking the shackles many perceive in this country to be around the people.

The results rekindled my faith in ATS members. I was glad to see member response numbers where they are in most cases. I'm slightly appalled by the guest responses to a certain extent, but I'm not sure I trust those results as genuine ( And by that, I mean someone on page one suggested a possible psy-ops influence on the guest responses. That's a possibility I suppose. I also believe that it's easier for guests to be flippant with their answers.
I.E., This isn't "their community", so they don't have any real interest/investment in honest answers. )

If nothing else, I'm glad to see that members don't see violence as a necessary part of effecting positive change, and that overall they repect the rule of law. I think the fact that so many people want to see the politicians, special interest groups, and bankers held responsible for their part in this mess is a strong statement. These surveys are good feedback for us, and they're fun to participate in. I've seen other member reponses that suggest that guests should not be allowed to participate in these surveys. I am inclined to agree with that sentiment.
If guests weren't allowed to participate, I hope they wouldn't join just to take surveys and troll the threads.
This is good stuff.

Maybe some of us members are wrong, maybe were all wrong, there may well be no message getting across. A trap to fall in. You protest wallstreet, government plays dumb, does something with wallstreet, then we have what we did not want, absolute chaos. Strings are then yanked and us citizens are finally on our own with martial law. We need a government that works for us, not one that grows so big and produces roots in the ground deep - which we can not see. Some where we forgot to prune the tree.

The only surprise result I got, was that only 3% of members actually go to the protests. Well I suppose it's not that much of a surprise.

What I found interesting was that with the high level of interest and opinion on this site about OWS both for and against, less than 3% of the membership have actually been to the demonstations. So most people are judging the movement without actually visiting one.

Originally posted by neo96
yeah as expected and you go back in the way back machine to the ron paul poll you would have never guessed this outcome.

over 20 thousand "guests" so what im gonna do is subtract that from the real members here.

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Did you happen to subtract the guests from the Ron Paul poll?

Or does it even matter considering the number of Paulbots on this site?

I'm guessing the poll didn't turn out the way you wanted it to.

One of the more interesting things is the comparison of people who felt that wall street was a contributing factor and the amount of people who felt corrupt politicians were a contributing factor.

I can guess the type of person who thinks Wall Street is blameless for our economic crisis and our government is completely responsible.

The truth is, and anyone who is capable of setting their ideology aside can see this, both Wall Street and the government is responsible.

Certain members of our government have made the entire government responsible in the eyes of a certain group of people because they were kowtowing to the bribery and unethical tactics of lobbyists from Wall Street. The deregulation opened the door for Wall Street to destroy our economy and fatten their pockets in the process.

I am amazed at the response from people from the right about these protests. All of a sudden this type of thing is un-American yet the teabagger protests was 100% red blooded pin the flag on your lapel American. Since when did it become un-American to question the current paradigm? Oh that's right, questioning the sustainability and ethics of free market capitalism in any way is treasonous.

I have news for you people, there is a difference between free market capitalism and market capitalism. If you favor the latter that does not make you un-American or a communist.

I think it would be smart to take some cues from some of the countries who have a mixed economy, that is some socialist policies and some capitalist policies, seeing as they are some of the happiest, advanced, hard working, and intelligent countries in the world.

I don't know if we can do that though because we're America and we're NUMBER ONE!!! Even when we're not.

Blame yourself if you're not rich.
-Herman Cain


If you're rich they are going to drag you out on the street and kill you.
-Glen Beck

Yeah because that is what it is about, we are all jealous.

This is nothing but class warfare.
-John Boehner

Yes because the policies that have concentrated wealth, disproportionately benefited the extremely wealthy, and shrunk the middle class to almost nothing wasn't class warfare.

It's only class warfare to these people when we fight back.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

the facts are both houses write the laws in this country but pay no attention to that little fact

this is the same damn thing as the gun control debate blame a thing instead of the people pulling the trigger

that is classic liberal ideology at its finest.

Laws they pass because Wall Street pays them to do so. Deregulation like the one that caused this financial crisis for example, laws that allow them to make more short-term oriented profit while screwing the entire population in the process when the house of cards collapses.

The government is a mere tool of Wall Street

As for reducing the size of the government (as opposed to just making it more efficient), yeah, that'll work great...if you like cancer I mean

Originally posted by AuntB
I missed the polling and I find the results interesting, yet I don't agree with most of them. Occupy Wall street in my opinion is becoming a joke. The more Hollywood becomes involved the less serious the whole movement will become. I haven't gone to any in my area because I work but having said that if this movement had the backing and was a majority of the 30, 40 & 50 year olds then I think it would be taken seriously and the issues would be clearly defined.

Most 30-50 year olds are also working. You are looking for legitimacy in a new movement involving young people who for the most part have no experience in world affairs or politics. That seems like a lot to ask from a rag-tag group of pissed off youngsters looking for a fair shake.

I am sure that at some point you will also be involved in this or a similar movement. Things are going to get worse before they get better. Eventually you will be faced with change due to economic turmoil. You may be able to hold on to your job, but most will not since most of our jobs are now service industry related.

We no longer produce real goods. All of the farms are run by huge machinery. Most of these farms are owned by corporations seeking profits above all else. If their farm subsidies are stopped they are likely to close down the farms to protect their bottom line and let the equipment go back to the bank. At that point Obama's newest reform package will cause the government to confiscate the farm property and most likely use prison labor to work the fields.

A lot of cheap labor will be acquired through these riots yet to start in major cities. FEMA camps will most likely be used to house the protesters since all prisons are currently overpopulated. Families are already being held in some facilities which are supposed to be "voluntary" even though they cannot speak to outsiders or leave the facility as seen on Jesse Ventura's show.

I am ex-military. I know what your government is capable of. I know how they feel about the common man and you are nothing more to them than a number. They are galvanized to feel nothing for the soldiers or citizens. This stems from their position and the idea that they are somehow better than everyone else. Politicians and corporate scumbags feel the same way. They constantly break laws since they feel they are only there for the masses not the elite.

While I may not support violence I still have a thorn in my side concerning leaders and their attitude. There is a huge divide between the elite and common man. Elite make up 1% yet they wield 99% of the power. How is that even possible? It is only possible because the 99% are weak. It is fine to voice your opinion, but the MSM fed masses will blindly defend the elite like they did BUSH 10 years ago when he declared war against Iraq even though everyone was against it. If you were in Iraq the first time you would understand how absurd this war was.

Sorry for the rant, this is just my opinion, but I can't see how violence can be avoided in the long run. Maybe if the leadership of this movement is taken over by responsible level-headed patriots with truly good intentions violence can be avoided for the most part. I fear, however, that the longer this goes on the more frustrated people will become and violence will ensue. Let's not ignore the obvious to support ideology.

Originally posted by bo12au
their was a question about education that is not there now

hello?

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Skepticm God bless you my friend! =D

Nothing good can come of this protest. We are actually witnessing history, This protest is backed by Van Jones and the unions like SEIU. This protest will end in this country becoming socialist. "Top Down, Ground up, Heart out"

I understand the issue of removing bot responses; but who on Earth is dumb enough to log in to take a survey? I thought ATS members were smarter than that!

Very interesting results. Wow violence is a option.

Think about this the government is letting this spread and I am sure they are aware that unions support the idea of violence even though publicly they will oppose it?? Huh?

So maybe this is allowed to spread so that this can be used to activate martial law. I wonder?

Anyone who truly believes in nonviolent protest should get out. I have a feeling this is going to get ugly real soon. When did we become so uncivilized? Oh yeah when we left out GOD and taugh our kids there is no right or wrong just do what feels good attitude.

Get ready to be a light cause dark days are coming. Sorry to be so doom and gloom but honestly I feel dark days are coming to America and across the world.

Take care everyone.

reply to post by nenothtu


Unions are paying these agitators.
It's their MO. Just like ACORN who paid for forged election signatures. Nothing ever came of that either. It's all rigged but liberal think tanks and unions. van Jones said start bottom up and out then you have a prison planet. Wow and they protest for freedom when they don't even see they are giving up freedom for handouts.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

My all time favorite. Looks like the politician and the private sector that voted, lost hands down.