Survey Results: Occupy Wall Street

Originally posted by Jason88
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Just a thought. You mentioned Atlanta as having these paid fools in the crowd. What industries are there?

Off the top of my head I can think of Coke Cola and CNN HQ.

I'm not familiar with the Atlanta area, or what industries are there. I've only been there once, briefly, several years ago.

I'm not talking about agitators sent in by corporations. I've not seen anything from any corporations to indicate that they are noticing or care in the least about these "protests", and certainly not enough to indicate that they would get up off of the money to pay agitators to rile up the crowds.

I HAVE seen Craig's List ads for leftist agitators to infiltrate the crowd, to be paid 300 to 650 dollars a week for their "services". There's a thread here at ATS on that very subject, with links.

One of the agitators was on the mic last night, trying to incite unrest between the crowd and the police in Atlanta, on the Live Feed.

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files.abovetopsecret.com...

This one says a whole lot about feelings these days. The establishment political party's aren't working for us anymore and everybody knows.

Originally posted by Anusuia
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Is it possible to track who controlls the Bots . then you get to see who is trying to manipulate public opinion and in what direction and what is their motive and what you think they are aiming to gain from the manipulation

I doubt it, not at our level any way. it would probably require some sort of traffic analysis for the traffic to the poll while it was running to reveal.

The best we can do is look for skews, which direction they go, and then try to puzzle out the reasons for that, which is imprecise enough and involves enough speculation to leave a lot of avenues open.

What is "obvious", what is "likely", and what is "real" do not always coincide. You make out an analysis with a working hypothesis, and run with that until it is shown to be wrong.

Then you start over again with a different approach that accounts for what proved the original hypothesis false.

It is interesting to see the difference between member and non-member votes. To me the members clearly seem to be more informed especially in relation to OWS, more cynical and realistic and also from one of the graphs less-supportive of violence, while also knowing what is wrong with US and what political groups and financial institutions as well as normal people can be blamed for much of the problems. Certainly non-members seem more hopefull. I guess they haven't been on ATS for long.

Originally posted by b3l13v3
reply to post by Section31

 

A large sum of the Occupy movement is non-political.

I do not think people understand that.

Unless "Occupy" starts advertising in that manner, the majority will see the group as a left-leaning political party. "OccupyWallStreet's" endorsements (Democrats & Unions) and roots (Ad Busters) are defining the nature of the movement.

Other words, the message is getting lost or hijacked.

When I see the name "OccupyWallStreet", I see a picture of Nancy Pelosi, Unions, and President Obama. Its because those endorsement have not been publicly rejected.

Again, thank you for responding.

Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I am surprised at the the percentage of members thinking violence is necessary.

Nothing will change without violence, to be blunt. This country was established through violence, and its successor or successors will be established the same way.

When the "let them eat cake" moment arrives, and people realize that holding a sign while being beaten by pig sticks isn't getting anything done, you'll see what happens in the streets of this country.

I grew up in a rough area, so violence is nothing new to me. For some folks who have had sheltered lives, it will be quite sobering to see how barbaric things can get when you push people into a corner.

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Which is why I am saving up money and getting my passport. I refuse to be here when that crap goes down.

But you are right, pacifists talk a good game, but the bottom line is they won't be the one's making the choice. It's going to be the desperate and polarized masses who finally lose it. All the talk about capitalism versus socialism is simply an anachronism spouted by those who cannot grasp the enormity of what is happening here.

I don’t believe there is a sane person in the world that would wish for a violent resolution over a peaceful one. No one wants to see anyone lose his or her life for the sake of galvanizing a cause, because human life is precious, and most have something to lose, or someone to leave behind when they die.
However; the value of human life can be the difference between successfully immortalizing a message, and having that message lost in the wind. The value of life carries a certain weight. A weight that can tip the scales to victory for our cause.
Martial Law, which everyone seems to fear, is a necessary part of the equation of solving this global problem we are facing. Many citizens of this world remain blind to the truth that their government, their vote, their lives are illusions. The time has come for the populous to wake from their slumber, and remind those who proclaim themselves the "Masters of the Universe" that strength lies in numbers, not shiny stones and printed wealth. If they will not move, we will move them. If they do not surrender, we will take them by force. The choice is theirs, but the victory will be ours.
We are not trying to steal from the 1%. We are merely taken back what was stolen from us; our freedom, our way of life, our dignity, our reality.

Revolution is inevitable. These Occupy movements are sweeping the world and their message, their very presence is disrupting the calm of these "elites." With so much chaos, someone will do something stupid, and when they do things will turn... nasty. And then the government will be forced to do the only thing they know how to do, which is institute martial law. At which point, all we revolutionaries have to do is keep our word.

haha i love the 73% & 73% vote from guests and members on interest groups and politicians responsibility for our economic predicament. Winning

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I am surprised at the the percentage of members thinking violence is necessary.

Unfortunately it's the only thing that will break away the layer of apathy covering most American's. The problems are obvious but the politicians refuse to adress them. It's like an army of deckhands rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship.


A question,

Do you think Libya's future will be better because of the cost in human lives?

I do.

Something earned is cherished more than something given to you.

I love the no violence from members, sadly that may be the way. Do I have to be an animal like the top people of our food chain to make life livable? uuugggh

their was a question about education that is not there now

Well I certainly saw several points of serious division there I did.
One thing though, I'm wondering why there is no OWS forum.
On second thought that's probably a bad idea.
The thing would likely explode and take out several forums on either side of it.
Never mind.

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Well hopefully if anything bad does happen the military will side with the people.

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They won't. I grew up in a military family and live in an army town. Most military members are very conservative.

Wow at the amazing number of guests who participated! I know we have to account for the margin of error that is endemic to the survey delivery method (bots, unintended user errors, multiple responses by one individual, etc.), but it sure does seem to give credence to the notion that we members have a substantial audience of non-members reading the threads and absorbing the conversations and debates contained therein. We ATS members are a powerful, influential group. Absolutely fascinating from a sociological perspective!

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Interesting that so many people thought that assistance for those in need should NOT be a basic right of citizenship. Those people must be ok with beggars and people dying of starvation in the streets, of crime rates sky rocketing because people want to eat.

Amazing really when you think about it. I guess some people just don't care as long as they aren't ever down and out and so long as they have complete confidence in their own ability to stay on top of things and of society maintaining enough of it's structure for them to never worry about needing any help.

I would think that people with that much security would be overjoyed at their position in life, having the finances to live happily regardless of whats happening around them. You would think that they would be only to happy to help out where they can but it would seem that the more you have and the more you earn the more you worry about having to give it up.

Maybe that's the biggest problem right there. The ship is sinking and the people at the top of the mast ferociously kick back anyone trying to get one handhold higher. Very competitive. not very civilized.
And so many of the people out there call themselves christians as well, i'm betting that J.C would not agree with that mentality, or buddah or Mohammad or Chrisna. infact when i think about it, Compassion is one of the main qualities that are espoused by the various prophets and holy men/women throughout the ages, as well as social leaders.

What can you do, our society encourages this sort of thing and people get badly treated when they don't want to activly be a part of modern society. Is it any wonder that some people don't show loyalty to something that does not believe in compassion.

This woman puts it all together, watch, learn and do something. www.youtube.com... outstanding video. Time to WAKE UP.

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What is most striking to me is the significant discrepancies between members and guests on many of the fine points.

And this doesn't seem to have a lot to do with where they are getting their information from.

I can only assume it has to do with how committed the individuals are to arriving at an understanding of these and other events that really works for them and is much more than just superficial or reactionary.

Members, then, have their work cut out for them. And that seems to be to encourage non-members to take the responsibilities of citizenship more seriously, and to make it a bigger part of their lives.

Cant say I expected ATS to be so diversly spread over this topic, but then again this website has changed a lot since my prime time.

Interesting results.

The most shocking (or maybe not) is the response from members about where they get their information. 3% answered from protests, and friends who go to protests.

Turns out were nothing but a online group who just bitches and complains about the status quo, but does nothing about it.