Survey Results: Occupy Wall Street

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I am surprised at the the percentage of members thinking violence is necessary.

Nothing will change without violence, to be blunt. This country was established through violence, and its successor or successors will be established the same way.

When the "let them eat cake" moment arrives, and people realize that holding a sign while being beaten by pig sticks isn't getting anything done, you'll see what happens in the streets of this country.

I grew up in a rough area, so violence is nothing new to me. For some folks who have had sheltered lives, it will be quite sobering to see how barbaric things can get when you push people into a corner.

Good survey!
The part of it that struck my eye was the part of the survey that stated:

“I believe that violence, even if resulting in injury or even tragic deaths, is a necessary component of protest given the severity of the related issues at the core of the protests”

11% of ATS Members Strongly Agree with that statement.
VS.
39% of Guests Strongly Agree with that statement.

Just who are these Guests?

Why did they come here, to an ATS Survey, and say that they believe people should get violent to get results?

I think that was an attempt to make this ATS Poll look bad on us ATSer’s.

Also, I would bet that they didn’t know the results would be into Member/Guests categories.

I wonder how many of those Guests actually will ever see or even care about the results of this survey?

Are you guys pickin’ up what I’m puttin’ down?

reply to post by illuminatislave

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

I'm not sure.

But I am sure we will see violence if this poll is any indication of how OWS members feel about the world around them.

Apparently since the socialism idea isn't resonating with most of the American people, they'll have to beat it and kill it into everyone.

We are "99%". You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.

I think I've made my point.

Originally posted by digitalf
I agree, most often in these survey's the difference between member and guest is the most telling sign of the value of this site, always a few gems - I was very surprised to see the guests outweighing the members when seeing violence as an acceptable outcome.

ATS members want to sit on there... um bottoms... and complain but not do anything...

Well most of us.. I'm out making videos of what's going on: My ats thread on local protest with video link.


That is the trailer... when i get the video done with interviews of local people that i'm doing i will post it in my thread.

reply to post by projectvxn


Maybe I was wrong.
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by pianopraze


Glad you're doing something about it. I try to as well. Went into Boston on Friday night and did some first hand reporting, talking to different people with different ideas.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Maybe I was wrong.
www.youtube.com...

That was dumb. Those guys weren't going in as Tea Party members supporting OWS, they were going in as anti-OWS and using Tea Party talking points to do it.

If true Tea Party members went in with honest intentions of lending their voices, they's be totally welcome. In fact, they are there and fit right in. The guys in this video obviously are part of the problem and are just spreading the MSM mentality because they are afraid.

Originally posted by neo96
yeah as expected and you go back in the way back machine to the ron paul poll you would have never guessed this outcome.

over 20 thousand "guests" so what im gonna do is subtract that from the real members here.

edit on 11-10-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

...and then you realize there's still overwhelming support, and for good reason

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


I might be alone, cynical, elitist even, I don't know.....

But I get the feeling the "guest" participants are a bunch of morons? Just judging by the huge difference between "guests" and members ...

Just saying.. Lurkers are idiots.

reply to post by MrXYZ


overwhelming support for more of the same and whats sitting in that oval office

there are alot of people warning everyone else that there is no difference between ows and the current adminstration and the only means of achieving whatever the hell their goal is taking more power more control and still not fixing a damn thing.

the us government already controls over 1 sixth of the us economy hell lets add more power to them and take power from us nah i want no part of the same stupidity that has led to this point in time.

in the words of james carvell ITS THE GOVERNMENT ............... !

Where is the questions:

Is this happening at the right time?

Should this have happened four years ago?

Were we too blinded by the waving flag to create a movement under Bush?

Is this the right movement under Obama's administration? And why.

reply to post by Jason88


I've heard reports from some of the other "protests" most notably Atlanta, that professional agitators are infiltrating some of them now and making noises in a violent direction, which goes right along with my analysis from the beginning of the event as to the reasons behind it.

The "seedier" elements will no doubt add fuel to the fire, but the spark will come, if it does, from these professional agitators, at the direction of the puppet masters. The people in the streets themselves, I believe. mean well, but they are allowing themselves to be herded in the direction the shot-callers want them to be herded into.

Now we are seeing even more people in high places trying to get in on the act, have their names associated with the "protests" and whatnot, but even THEY are not the shot callers, as much as they would like us to think so in their attempts to co-opt it. If it blows, then when the dust settles, their names will likely be mud for years to come because of the associations they're trying to make right now. Those people are only thinking for the moment, trying to take political advantage of a "movement" that is likely to blow right up in their faces in the long run.

reply to post by nenothtu


I think (to give the OWS credit, where credit is due) that the OWS, like the Tea Party, is not an organized protest .. and so, protest in Atlanta, LA, NYC and Portland are not going to be having the same exact goals, run by the same people etc. Eventually the DNC will control most of the OWS (they already control the NYC protests) but not every group will conform. While some may opt for "violence" in whatever fashion, others will vehemently move against violence. A good example is the Portland OWS Protests (one of the largest in the country) swore not even to resist arrest.. that if approached by officers to simply sit and put their arms behind their backs and comply.

I think the movement is filled with ideological hopefuls in search of an easy fix .. We would be unfair to the OWS protesters to group them into a single movement. Especially considering the original OWS didn't even have leadership at that tiny event, let alone the country.

reply to post by projectvxn

Originally posted by projectvxn

I'm not. I fully expected the majority of ATSers to support OWS.

Especially when you consider the fact that these same people don't know the difference between a lenticular cloud, earthquake lights, and what HAARP ACTUALLY does.

If it's not some BS logic about HAARP, Obama's birth certificate, and aliens controlling the government, then it's not worth knowing.

What a coincidence. I mutually expected the majority of ATSers to support OWS.

Especially when you consider the fact that these same people don't know the difference between a dis-informant, a person who's too interested in themselves to care about change, a generally uninformed person or if they're just trolling.

Seriously, I mean the world is just perfectly fine the way it is. Hundreds of nuke plants that could go haywire, explode, and destroy the planet. Plenty of politicians repeating the same regurgitated non-sense over and over again, plenty of war and plenty of drug addicts. Plenty of poverty world-wide, plenty of starvation and plenty of weapons. Plenty of people with no interest in anything but themselves, plenty of people with no goals, plenty of people who can't find a goal because they had horrible circumstances growing up - but it's definitely their fault for not "making something better of themselves" trying to work their way up from McDonalds.

It's TOTALLY not the situation of the world's fault that YOU want some kind of change, it's YOUR fault for not liking the way things are.

Thanks ATS for offering this poll and sharing the results. I partook.

One of the interesting results was this one:

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

The disparities between answers from members and answers from guests is interesting. Especially the divisions in the strongly disagree and strongly agree. There was not a lot of him hawing on this one, judging by it's skinny middle.

My favorite questions were the I believe...questions. Ones like I believe the actions of Wall Street/Politicians/Special Interests have been one factor in this crisis....

Those questions and the answers help define what people think, at least in part, the problems are.

The question of where our 99 percent mouth wants our money to go, pictured above, is very interesting. That question helps define where the 99 percent want America's focus and America's resources to go. The strongly disagree above stands out and there is a difference in how members and guests responded.

I am one of the 99 percent. I haven't been to a protest....yet. For me these are not so much protests, but they are people walking and talking FOR something, not against. The 99 percent get what has caused this in general. They want to steer, more so than the 1 percent has made room for, where we go from here. We want things that begin with the slide above. We don't value our government's shock and awe wars with the same weight as providing for opportunity in this land. The opportunities in this country have dried up like the parched Texas soil.

There are things of value in our society which economically hold no value. If you can make things blow up in a sandy environment, or sink a three pointer, there are big bucks to be made. If you can support your community through volunteerism, raise honorable children and be an involved parent or help weave the fiber that makes a community strong, you have no value...economically speaking. Just what is it we are trying to build again here....a society that looks like what?

The system is, in so many places, inverted and totally focused on funneling hefty margins from the bottom workers to the top. I see the neglect of our people, and the hopelessness so many must endure. I see pride, wealth and strength being stolen through wanton disregard of another human being's innate value. I see people forced into bankruptcy because a family member becomes ill. I see jobs lost and what has taken a lifetime to build wear out and fall away because the ability to maintain it has disappeared. I see young people with no hope of finding work. I see sadness in what became of our We The People spirit...and we think it's time the one percent listens

I don't see this movement ending, at least in terms of demanding a restructuring and re-prioritizing of where America (we, the little people) think things need to be heading.

The 99 percent are talking or walking for something; not just against.

Thanks again for the poll. Lots of interesting results.

Peace.

reply to post by nenothtu


If it's true there are professional agitators in the crowds, I'd hope there would be some way to weed them out - like the protesters distancing themselves from those phonies before it gets violent. As for seedier people in there, the police should be able to handle the drug taking and the homeless who are mentally unsound.

On the political front, I don't know what to think. Talking to the Boston crowd, a limited sample of about dozen interviews from people working in the support tents, they were well aware of a political takeover and didn't like it, and hoped the diverse messages would be enough to drive away centralized political figures.

reply to post by b3l13v3


Oh yeah, and I shouldn't forget to mention - every person who opposes OWS is a dis-informant government-hired psy-op MKULTRA operative.

reply to post by nenothtu


Just a thought. You mentioned Atlanta as having these paid fools in the crowd. What industries are there?

Off the top of my head I can think of Coke Cola and CNN HQ.

reply to post by b3l13v3

Seriously, I mean the world is just perfectly fine the way it is. Hundreds of nuke plants that could go haywire, explode, and destroy the planet. Plenty of politicians repeating the same regurgitated non-sense over and over again, plenty of war and plenty of drug addicts. Plenty of poverty world-wide, plenty of starvation and plenty of weapons. Plenty of people with no interest in anything but themselves, plenty of people with no goals, plenty of people who can't find a goal because they had horrible circumstances growing up - but it's definitely their fault for not "making something better of themselves" trying to work their way up from McDonalds.

I did.

My parents and I came to the US in 1989. We didn't come here rich either. And I am still not rich. My parents and I were at one time homeless in LA. Do you have any idea how hard it is to be homeless in LA? My father would scrounge up bottles and cans to send to the recycling station so we could eat for the day and gas up the car we were living in. I was a Hispanic kid living in the ghetto of LA. Do you have any idea how easy it would have been for me to become a gang banger under those circumstances?

If you don't try, and you have no goals, regardless of where you come from and how you grew up, you WILL NOT get anywhere.

You especially won't get anywhere demanding free stuff from everyone who works for a living.

reply to post by nenothtu

Is it possible to track who controlls the Bots . then you get to see who is trying to manipulate public opinion and in what direction and what is their motive and what you think they are aiming to gain from the manipulation