If Hitler had won the War, what would life be like now?

Would we have the technological advances seen today, or would the advances be greater? Would the world be at peace, or war? Would life be better or worse - please don't discuss "death camps" as too much controversy exists around those. Simply looking to a time line that may have existed and how life would be currently.

Would we be in space, colonies?

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The man in the high castle

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Interesting...

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I have a hard time seeing how we can discuss Adolph Hitler winning World War II and the world that would result from it when you prohibit mention of the single most notable thing Hitler is known for?

When that name is mentioned 1,000 years from now, it won't be V-2 Rockets leading to a Moon landing a couple decades later....or the world's first Jet aircraft they mention it for. It'll be precisely what you want no one to say.

Sorry.. I'm confused why that name is the one to cite for example.....given that? What if Emperor Hirohito had won instead? That sounds far more promising a future, if one were to ask me.

In that alternate history the idea of a raving madman with delusions one can only call abject evil to guide his thinking and decision process wouldn't have to be brought up while sidestepping the same man's over-riding purpose in life toward the end of his life.

Just my two cents...as I sit in some confusion as to what the thread is looking for here?

With the way everyone is obsessed with the blond haired, blue eyed nordic look now a days you might think they did win.

I don't know i've seen history scewed so much in the last 10 years that i don't even #ing know if anything hitler did was real or if he even existed, hell i don't even know if the eastern world exists, i won't believe it until i see it.

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Fatherland

Its interesting fiction, but a moot point. Germany and Japan bit off more than they could chew, based on the events as they stood in 1939, there is no scenario where Germany and Japan would defeat the allies although many realistic scenarios exist where they were not defeated.

You mean he DIDN'T win the war??

Just look at the socialist nazi camp that is running our country today along with most of the remaining civilized world and tell me how he didn't win....

~Namaste

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And how is there "too much controversy" surrounding the death camps?

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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I have a hard time seeing how we can discuss Adolph Hitler winning World War II and the world that would result from it when you prohibit mention of the single most notable thing Hitler is known for?

When that name is mentioned 1,000 years from now, it won't be V-2 Rockets leading to a Moon landing a couple decades later....or the world's first Jet aircraft they mention it for. It'll be precisely what you want no one to say.

Sorry.. I'm confused why that name is the one to cite for example.....given that? What if Emperor Hirohito had won instead? That sounds far more promising a future, if one were to ask me.

In that alternate history the idea of a raving madman with delusions one can only call abject evil to guide his thinking and decision process wouldn't have to be brought up while sidestepping the same man's over-riding purpose in life toward the end of his life.

Just my two cents...as I sit in some confusion as to what the thread is looking for here?

edit on 11-10-2011 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

...well since you asked... I can find DOZENS of reports that indicate that "death camps" were nothing more than Soviet/US propaganda. Yes people died, but it was due to food supplies being bombed by allies and the resources being sent to the front lines. Tests have been done on so called "gas chambers" and the findings do not merge with the 70 year old propaganda. In fact after the Soviet wall came down in the 1990's it was found that the Soviets killed lots of people and blamed it on Hitler/Nazi's.

Probably about the same! 'Nuff said.

Originally posted by SirMike
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And how is there "too much controversy" surrounding the death camps?

Most will tell you they existed. However propaganda runs deep. If you do some REAL research it will open your eyes, but no one wants to hear it and will label you a denier...

Originally posted by SirMike
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And how is there "too much controversy" surrounding the death camps?

I second that. How can there not be enough controversy?

Interesting post, there are many things to take into consideration, especially if we're to consider a Nazi victory

1. Hitler's Germany was a in a temporary economic boom, the war was costing a ton of cash yet the economy only kept on rolling while the fighting continued, had the fighting come to a stop, I think the economy would have crumbled. Hitler was by no means a good politician when it came to economics...

2. A key factor in the loss of Nazi Germany was that it opened up a second front with the USSR, apparently there's a new theory that Hitler was provided evidence that the Soviets were going to attack him, and therefore operation "Barbarosa" was a pre-emptive strike... I don't know much about this, so I'll have to research further, but in my mind there is no question that attacking the USSR was Hitler's biggest mistake.

3. We all know the insanity of the holocaust, but, had Hitler won (or even came to a stalemate) in the war, I don't believe anyone outside Nazi Europe would ever have found out about it. The "Final Solution" was actually quite secretive.

4. Another major factor in my opinion would be Hitler's alliance with Japan, from a practical point of view it was a completely useless alliance. He worried about the USA, and hoped the Japanese would take up a sufficient amount of their attention, if the USA went to war with a non-axis Japan, then it probably would have taken them alot longer to get involved in Europe.

Now having considered the above posts with alternative endings, and still if we throw in there some crazy luck (like the allies NOT cracking the Enigma code) and somehow Hitler won, I think the results would be more along the lines of a Germanic Europe (not including the UK), Northern Africa, and possibly Asia-minor, but certainly no world-domination.
The world would have continued otherwise the same with a 3-way cold war between Nazi Europe, the west and the USSR.
We would see much more anti-semitism in the world, and bigotry in Europe, but I think technologically we in general would be at the same level, but living in a much more paranoid world.

Just my 2 cents...

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Vermutlich würdest du lesen können was ich hier grade geschrieben habe.

Taking into account what the Fascists in my country hated, persecuted, banned and burned... life would be miserable had they won.

Originally posted by pityocamptes

Originally posted by SirMike
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And how is there "too much controversy" surrounding the death camps?

Most will tell you they existed. However propaganda runs deep. If you do some REAL research it will open your eyes, but no one wants to hear it and will label you a denier...

REAL research huh ... because the propaganda runs deep ... tell that to the tens of thousands of US servicemen who saw, firsthand, the aftermath.



Tell them that one of the most vivid and unforgettable experiences they ever had in their lives was just all propaganda.

I realize that no one wants another Holocaust debate, but Jesus Christ people, its one thing to question conventional wisdom and its another thing to retain ones preconceptions despite an overwhelming amount of documentary, legal, first and second hand testimony that eviscerate those preconceptions.

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Many people died full stop. Also Hollywood didn't do film showing people being shot in the head and pushed into trenches en masse all in the one go, or film of fat german guards with their hands up in front of walking skeletons, get a proper balance. Next thing we'll know is someone posting, "only a few dozen died" Face facts, European militarists have a bloody history of extreme military warfare instigated by the thieving 1% that's being carried on by by people now called 'Westerners'

I suspect that eventually, Hitler would turn on his former allies, and crush them under his boot as well (assuming he was able to defeat the Allies).

So, there would have been a small period of peace (to allow for the big buildup), then a push by Hitler into his former allies' territories.

I don't think tech would be more advanced at all though.

Remember, the force driving the tech advancement of Germany was war....if they won, that impetus would be removed, and tech likely would have stabilized and grown slower.

Not to mention, he was pretty close to the bomb himself...so imagine a victorious Hitler with the A-Bomb.... He would have USED it to do a bit of ethnic cleansing no doubt, and likely unknowingly ushered in a nuclear winter in some areas.

No, I think it's a VERY good thing, that we only have to speculate on a Hitler victory. The reality could have been far far worse......

Originally posted by smurfy
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Many people died full stop. Also Hollywood didn't do film showing people being shot in the head and pushed into trenches en masse all in the one go, or film of fat german guards with their hands up in front of walking skeletons, get a proper balance. Next thing we'll know is someone posting, "only a few dozen died" Face facts, European militarists have a bloody history of extreme military warfare instigated by the thieving 1% that's being carried on by by people now called 'Westerners'

People died due to starvation and disease.

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A good post, but I do differ in some things. the A bomb was used in anger but not by Hitler and makes no difference. In fact it and all the rest were used so many times after and made parts of the earth inhabitable. The meglomania did not just melt away, and the danger is still there somewhere and genocide and ethnic cleansing is but a small step away.

www.mctv.ne.jp...

That's from Hiroshima, could have been from anywhere though, Napalm would have had pretty much the same result but not as nasty.... I don't think.