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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by ShortMemory
Can you please share the context of the scriptures with us, instead of cherry-picking to prove a point?
That would perhaps help you as well.
Originally posted by Res Ipsa
Jesuits...(the smart educated Catholics) don't take the Bible literaly...so don't quote scripture like
some fundementalist born again hack!
I don't care who you are...you aren't smart enough to understand what is true or false, important or irrelevant about what is in the Bible.
Believe what ever you want...but nobody on this site has the cred. to preach the truth, whatever it may be.
You literal Bible thumpers drive me crazy. You turn more people into Atheist than just the human experience itself.
....to the altar boy.....?........what nugget of knowledge do you get from that? I enjoyed lighting and extinguishing the candles myself...trying to look like I was paying attention to the same archaic readings was not enjoyable.
Pick another religion to demonstrate ignorance, most of us Catholics are more like Luthreans anyways.
leave us alone, go join your local holy roller church.
Originally posted by ShortMemory
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by ShortMemory
Can you please share the context of the scriptures with us, instead of cherry-picking to prove a point?
That would perhaps help you as well.
cherry picking is what your religion bases itself on..you take the good stuff litreally but then dont even pay attention to the bad stuff. if god is asking you to follow his word and then you ignore some of it your going to hell according to the bible.
the context is a plain as the words in most cases.
edit on 11-10-2011 by ShortMemory because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Chamberf=6
You can't seriously compare mathematics with words written by a multitude of different men and stuck together and called by some a whole? Nothing at all the same.
You don't have to suspend disbelief to do calculus. It is verifiable beyond any doubt.
The bible on the other hand is not verifiable beyond even the smallest doubt and requires blind faith to be believed.
By the way, the scriptures do contradict themselves. The new testament contradicts much of the old testament.edit on 10/11/2011 by Chamberf=6 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Veritas1
reply to post by Zaphod
I respect your opinion, and I request that, and others do the same for me. But as for any doubter, all I can say is "hide and watch" what happens. Then you will see the Truth, but hopefully it won't be too late for you to open your eyes. All I can say is peace be to you and the rest of the detractors and people who are going to slander/insult/ridicule/joke/mock/ this thread. However, its not me you have to worry about.
Originally posted by 46ACE
Originally posted by Veritas1
reply to post by Zaphod
I respect your opinion, and I request that, and others do the same for me. But as for any doubter, all I can say is "hide and watch" what happens. Then you will see the Truth, but hopefully it won't be too late for you to open your eyes. All I can say is peace be to you and the rest of the detractors and people who are going to slander/insult/ridicule/joke/mock/ this thread. However, its not me you have to worry about.
I'll hide and watch"
the upcoming wave of catastrophe as you suggest: If Yellowstone erupts and blankets the usa with ash or the New Madrid fault gives way: how will I know it's the God of YOUR book and not the Pastafarian's flying sphaghetti monster?
Or just natural occurrences I had the incredibly poor timing to be living in?
Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh
I just love being patronized. Thank you.
I never said that you said suspension of disbelief was needed for math. YOU read that wrong.
I was rather obviously implying it was needed to take the bible as a fact.
So was your last response "an eye for an eye" or "turning the other cheek"?
Jesus ate with sinners and "hung" with thieves --
people that god loving people in the old testament were either supposed to shun or massacre completely.edit on 10/11/2011 by Chamberf=6 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by Akragon
Actually they are perceived contradictions.
Even though your mind is made up, I know that your are going to bust out a list, so have at it, and I will get to it when I get a chance.
Originally posted by radpetey
reply to post by Veritas1
Keep it up, at the Lords Table......Do not touch the other with a ten foot pole.
Originally posted by micmerci
reply to post by TerryMcGuire
I haven't professed to be anything. I just do not enjoy being lied to. My response is 4 hours late because I just got home and saw that this thread was still going on.
Being an "upstanding Christian" does not equate to being a pushover. I am sorry I do not fit into your mindset of a Christian but my Lord came with a sword and that sword should cut through all the garbage that is out there. I love my neighbor but please don't confuse love for weakness.
in these last days, I suppose that a lot of Christians are writing their own version of what that means to suit their own proclivities.
Originally posted by micmerci
reply to post by Res Ipsa
This is the teaching of Catholic catechism:
Do you believe that the Bible is complete without the Aprocrypha books?
Then you are considered anathema!
Do you believe that salvation is by grace through faith and not of works as stated in Ephesians 2:8-10? Then you are considered anathema!
Do you believe that only those who believe should baptized as was done in Acts 2:41; 8:12; 10:47; 18:8 and therefore disagree with the Catholic Churches doctrine of infant baptism? Then you are considered anathema!
Do you agree with Paul that baptism is not part of the gospel (1 Cor 1:17) and therefore not required for salvation? Then you are considered anathema!
Do you believe the Bible when it says that we must be able to believe and repent before we are baptized (Acts 2:38)? Then you are considered anathema!
Do you believe that confirmation is not a proper sacrament since it is not taught in the Bible? Then you are considered anathema!
Do you deny that Christ complete in body, blood, soul and divinity are present in the Eucharist? Then you are considered anathema!
Do you deny the doctrine of Transubstantiation since it is not taught in the scripture? Then you are considered anathema!
Do you believe that Christ's sacrifice on the cross is the only sacrifice that will offer forgiveness of sins (Heb 10:12-14) and thefore deny that we receive forgiveness of sins by taking the Eucharist? Then you are considered anathema!
Do you believe that we should not worship the bread of the Eucharist as if it were Christ complete? Then you are considered anathema!
Do you believe that sacramental confession is not necessary to keep your salvation and that confessing secretly to priests is a doctrine made by man, not Christ? Then you are considered anathema!
Do you believe that the Mass is NOT a real and true sacrifice offered to God because the Bible specifically says that there will be no more sacrifice for sins (Heb 10:18)? Then you are considered anathema!
Do you believe that the Mass is NOT a propitiatory sacrifice that should be offered for the sins of both the living and dead saints for forgiveness of sins, punishment, etc.? Then you are considered anathema!
Do you believe in the priesthood of the believers as stated in 1 Peter 2:9 and therefore do not believe that Catholic priests have the power to retain and forgive sins? Then you are considered anathema!
Do you deny the legitimacy of the bishops appointed by Rome? Then you are considered anathema!
This is not from the literal interpretation of the bible but from the catholic catechism. How many atheists have your church created? How many crusades? How many martyrs?