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WHO can/will end the FED?

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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:19 AM
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Okay so lets think about this.

We know the FED needs to end. We know the FED is privately owned but poses as a Government entity.

So, IF the FED were to be "ended" who/what would be the authority taking on that action? Who will dictate how and when this action can be done? Who measures the impact of such actions? Who plans for the contingencies?

Would it be the POTUS?
Would it be the FED itself?
Would it be the military?
Would it be the people themselves?
Others?

It would seem to me that the entity that is the FED, that does not answer to anyone, would have to be removed voluntarilly or more realistically IMO, forcefully by the people. I don`t see the pupput POTUS taking any real stand against TPTB.. I would expect POTUS to spin the story that the FED is good for us.

I am certain that the FED will ignore any demands for its demise no matter how high up it comes from. But their fortresses will be brought down eventually and by force if necessary by the poeple. Either directly or indirectly the people can choose to ignore the FED, thus making them inneffective or the more brute force approach which would be to tear the motherf**** down brick by brick.

I expect the military to act loyaly to POTUS and the FED.. Jarheads will be looking for reasons to crack skulls on command.. but eventually I would expect the Jarheads to notice that the skulls they are cracking belong to their own brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, mothers and fathers. They to will inevitably turn their back on the TPTB, but this will only occur when money has become worthless, food and water tainted or run out or whnever enough soldiers are finally sickened at sight of the mountains of bodies they will need to burn or bury.


I was hoping someone could answer the question on who can end the FED as in, who has that power and can that plan begin to materialize? What would have to be done 1st? An official statment from the people of its dis-recognition?




posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:32 AM
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we the people have control of our and our childrens future
just wait untill more people start opening their eyes, it wont be long and we will have revoultion



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:34 AM
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It will need to be an “Act of Congress”.

Congress must repeal the Federal Reserve Act.

The other method would be the Supreme Court would need to find that the Federal Reserve Act is Unconstitutional. Which it actually is, since the Constitution is very explicit in the manner in which the Federal Government is to handle finances.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:35 AM
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You might think me nieve to say this, but I believe it with all my heart. If we get Ron Paul in, and he stands strong and surrounds himself and works with, like minded officials, he could at least....kick the Fed Reserve out of this country. This country.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Iiquiringmind
I was hoping someone could answer the question on who can end the FED as in, who has that power and can that plan begin to materialize? What would have to be done 1st?

The Federal Reserve is established by law. Congress makes, amends, and repeals laws. The judicial branch can also determine whether or not they're constitutional. If you want to get rid of the Fed, you need a majority of both houses and a President, or 2/3 of both houses to pass a bill. Realistically, you'd need the support of key committees and at least sixty members of the Senate to bring the bill to a vote. Barring that, you'd have to work your way up through the court systems and convince five Supreme Court justices that the Federal Reserve Act is unconstitutional.
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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So who's job is it then to "pull that trigger"? Who will kick the plan in to gear? You say it is an act of congress to do so.. but we all know anything the peopl want is seemingly dismissed in congress... Who can veto such an act?

Could the FED turn around and say.. "you know what? You OWE us BIG time.. so until we're paid off" we're not going anywhere". If you can't pay us back then you'll have to work it off, slave"... or something to that effect..

Which entity to the people need to lean on to get things moving in terms of ending the FED?



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by Iiquiringmind
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So who's job is it then to "pull that trigger"? Who will kick the plan in to gear? You say it is an act of congress to do so.. but we all know anything the peopl want is seemingly dismissed in congress... Who can veto such an act?

Could the FED turn around and say.. "you know what? You OWE us BIG time.. so until we're paid off" we're not going anywhere". If you can't pay us back then you'll have to work it off, slave"... or something to that effect..

Which entity to the people need to lean on to get things moving in terms of ending the FED?


Your politicians need to be leaned on in order to start this process. They are the protectors of your country, the protectors of your constitution. They are your representatives and from what I read the people who elect these representatives want answers and change. All the Reps do though is convince you of things that fatten their personal pockets and generally don't care about the people they represent, hence why this problem has occurred.

When the guardians of democracy are corrupt, so is democracy itself.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 09:31 AM
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S + F.

I would argue that it will be pressure from the citizens on the politicians.

They are the ones (though a small handful on Christmas eve, Senator Nelson Aldrich being the main culprit, his daughter having married John D. Rockefeller and his son being Chairman of Chase Bank) that enacted the Federal Reserve Act. The politicians must repeal it.

Otherwise we would need to challenge it constitutionally where the Act violates Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution.

If we had a President, say Ron Paul, who was already aware that the "Federal Reserve" is the main cause of our bubbles, recessions, depressions and dollar destruction, it would just be that much easier.






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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 09:35 AM
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Op, this is a very simple answer Aricle 1 section 8 in our constitution vests that only congress holds the power to print-coin money.


What that means is take out the printing presses out of the Loeb, Rothschild, and Rockefeller dynasty and have our current Congress earn the money they were elected for, and print it without interests to the American people.

Rather simple really, no interest, no dilemma, when Congress grabs it's spine and does its job.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Iiquiringmind
Okay so lets think about this.

We know the FED needs to end. We know the FED is privately owned but poses as a Government entity.



Reminds me of this Reagan quote: "Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so."


What the Fed is and does:


www.federalreserve.gov...



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 10:00 AM
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Kennedy was the closest and last one to try with an executive order as read here: EO 1110

Reagan revoked it in another.Reagan 12608 The specific language is found in Section 4, Paragraph e.

If Ron Paul gets elected and is truly serious about getting rid of it, my unofficial prediction is that he will meet the same fate.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 10:02 AM
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I think Herman CAIN will be a good start.

Yes, he was a key player there but I think if he is the real deal, he knows it has to go or be revampted.

CAIN is looking more Able every passing day.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by allprowolfy
Op, this is a very simple answer Aricle 1 section 8 in our constitution vests that only congress holds the power to print-coin money.

And McCulloch v. Maryland says that when Congress has the power to do something, it can do it through pretty much whatever means it pleases. They can incorporate a bank, or twelve banks under a Board of Governors. They can order the Treasury to emit its own bills, or mint its own coins. They could hire children to make banknotes out of construction paper and crayons. (As long as they're not Roth's childs, amirite?)


Congress has power to incorporate a bank. ...

The Government of the Union, though limited in its powers, is supreme within its sphere of action, and its laws, when made in pursuance of the Constitution, form the supreme law of the land.

There is nothing in the Constitution of the United States similar to the Articles of Confederation, which exclude incidental or implied powers.

If the end be legitimate, and within the scope of the Constitution, all the means which are appropriate, which are plainly adapted to that end, and which are not prohibited, may constitutionally be employed to carry it into effect.

The power of establishing a corporation is not a distinct sovereign power or end of Government, but only the means of carrying into effect other powers which are sovereign. Whenever it becomes an appropriate means of exercising any of the powers given by the Constitution to the Government of the Union, it may be exercised by that Government.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
Kennedy was the closest and last one to try with an executive order as read here: EO 1110

EO 11110 had nothing to do with the Fed and did not in any way advance the cause of destroying the Fed. It delegated the President's statutory authority to print silver certificates and coin silver to the Secretary of the Treasury. No new powers were created, no Fed powers were impeded.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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Its not just the fed imho, its also the criminal rich, rockerfellers, etc... These people should be in jail. These rich are so corrupt its disgusting.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by anon72
I think Herman CAIN will be a good start.

Yes, he was a key player there but I think if he is the real deal, he knows it has to go or be revampted.

CAIN is looking more Able every passing day.

Um, no. He's explicitly stated that he doesn't want to ``end the Fed`, he wants to fix it. How the hell do you fix a central bank? You can't. Supporting the federal reserve system is entirely incompatible with free market ideology -- it is basically supporting monetary socialism.
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by brokedown
It will need to be an “Act of Congress”.

Congress must repeal the Federal Reserve Act.

The other method would be the Supreme Court would need to find that the Federal Reserve Act is Unconstitutional. Which it actually is, since the Constitution is very explicit in the manner in which the Federal Government is to handle finances.


I agree, it would have to be an "act of Congress" to abolish the Federal Reserve Act, and it would follow a "vote of no confidence." I believe in my heart that this will happen, eventually, but I have to say the transition period between Federal Reserve Notes and a new form of money will take time, and will be hard for all concerned. I think the first thing the Congress would have to do is what they did in 1974, go to Fort Knox and see the Gold, before taking any measures to coin new money based on that Gold.

This will not happen unless the Banks that are in, and part of the Cartel are closed, and have their assets seized. See, these Banks have invested billions of dollars over the years, in land holdings, mineral rights, precious metals and jewels, and many other things. Once the books are opened, and CPAs get a good look into finances, and loans, and dealings, all of the Players will be easily seen, and all can be seized. Just remember, people, we are not a mob. The way to do this is bring down the pressure on the Congress on this. Oh, they will not just jump to our side, they are getting paid from these Banks. Every snake has a head, and if the head is cut off, the body dies. America can be great again, but not with the Central Banking Cartel and the Federal Reserve in charge!



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by Saucerwench
You might think me nieve to say this, but I believe it with all my heart. If we get Ron Paul in, and he stands strong and surrounds himself and works with, like minded officials, he could at least....kick the Fed Reserve out of this country. This country.


Ron Paul, has said, though...that is must be done slowly. Fully audit the Fed, ALLOW COMPETING CURRENCIES....



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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You need a dictator to remove the fed. That's the whole point, get that through your heads and you'll see the bigger picture.

Even if Ron Paul was elected by the people, the people have given him a task that only a dictator can accomplish. He would have to repeal the FED, all the laws backing it, rework the tax code and change a lot of other laws or repeal them.

That's a dictator folks, so that's what your voting for. Which dictator will you choose?

In the end, it all distracts from the fact that the very idea people seek a master to follow is what's wrong with our world.

Everything you do is controlled by someone else, your master, no matter what it is. You look up to someone for guidance, leadership and decision making so you don't have to, and wonder why you are not free.

Ron Paul is a control mechanism just like all the others, and maybe even he doesn't believe it.

It doesn't matter, you lose, the war was over before it started.

Ruling by decree/executive order is the same thing as a dictator. In order to repeal the Executive orders of those before hime, he would legitimize them at the same time. What can be done, can be undone. Inversely, what can be undone, can be done. Therefore, what was done was legal. This is why no one ever prosecutes those before him.

Ending the FED and reworking the tax code means confronting and nullifying Congress who passed all of those laws and regulations. Basically, he will void Congress from the day he starts these actions.

You guys just don't get it, do you? It doesn't matter how slow or fast, he is setting the precedent for future dictatorship. If he's not going to outright enslave us himself. The whole time Americans will be singing his praise right to their doom.
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