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Brit Kids 'Face Soaring Poverty Over Reforms'

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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by kn0wh0w

Originally posted by Walkers
Too many people coming here, breeding and taking school places, jobs and houses from the English. The burden on the system is extremely great. We need to start shipping people back to where they come from.


if you really feel this way...

what makes you move privy to a prosperous life then someone else?

what makes you feel you're entitled to living in the UK?

just because you were born there?

please answer me, i'm seriously interested.


i think a mindset like yours is part of the problem.

let me stress and be clear that this is not an attack, genuinely interested.


What makes me think I'm entitled to live here? Let's start with the basics then, my family can be traced to these islands for over 5 centuries, my ancestors have fought in most wars England has been in since before Waterloo, my grandparents fought in both the world wars. My ancestry is British. Therefore, that is why I think I am entitled to live here.

No, your mindset is the problem, you're happy to see your indigenous culture wiped out in favor of some insidious foreign mix match, where like in England, there are entire cities that have a majority non-white, non-British demographic makeup. That is unacceptable. You are a dangerous socialist, your views are disgusting.




posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 05:53 AM
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Charities that serve similar purposes still exist to help those who end up being screwed over by the system. Although these are also being hit hard by the cuts and many have had to stop due to lack of funding



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 05:55 AM
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But my dear, that's what the poor do in times of hardship.
Maybe you wouldn't be here now had not your great grandparents been still popping them out during the great depression.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 05:56 AM
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It depends on your definition of poverty.

Kids in the UK have never had it better with regards to the standard of living.
My Mum was from an era where she had a weekly bath in a metal tub in-front of the fire, the toilet was outside, they had no electricity and they grew their own food.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 06:01 AM
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$3000 per baby?
LMAO
It was £500 to buy baby basics, but to my knowledge that's been scrapped.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 06:08 AM
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Which is where I get cross with the Gov, the Councils of Social Services where a direction we where headed, and it was a natural response to helping each other in times of need.. and in my opinion would have developed into something quite special.

Now we pay into a national system and still have to try to find the extra pennies to fund the organisations that are trying to fill the ever increasing holes in the Welfare system as more and more services are cut.

Strangely enough as time progressed through the great depression more services where added rather than cut, I guess that was a more caring society.

So is my opinion that our society, it's welfare systems and our systems of governance all need a desperate overall.

Sorry if I come across as a bit ranty on this topic.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 06:21 AM
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And it still goes on, just for different reasons...unless you're in a third world nation, then the reasons are much the same as during the depression.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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i think it is harsh to blame people who have kids for this problem, people have had kids all the time, some of the blame has to be put at the feet of those running the economy.

however having said that i do think people should be more responsible, especially in todays current situation where having kids is concerned. you must be living under a rock if you are unaware we are living in times where the purse strings need to tightened, this should factor in any decision to have kids.

my personnal opinion is that if people are having kids who cannot really afford it or who are on a very tight budget, then it is their own fault when they are struggling to make ends meet to feed those kids, and they are irresponsible for bringing a child into the world they cannot look after properly. i warned a family member not to have more, i explained why and about how tough things will get, they did not listen and are expecting again, therefore they either are irresponsible and do not care or they think the media and everybody saying the economy will get bad are really joking and things will continue just the way they were.

so it is the fault of those running the economy, it is just that some people will make irresponsible choices and will not consider the future their kids will have when they decide to have one. so it is their own faults and it will not help where child poverty is concerned. it will add to it.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:20 AM
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I would like to piont out that the National Health Service is not free and never has been free to the people who have lived in the UK for generations.......because they have paid National Insurance all their working lives.

The only people who do get it for free are people from other countries who have never paid National Insurance.

If they were made to pay National Insurance back dated to when they started their working life, then yes they should be able to use it but not before.

Yes people from other countries are ruining the UK..........because the UK government lets them .....WHY.?



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:29 AM
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i am pretty certain those who work and pay national insurence and have a child with a condition that requires many hospital treatments and regular visits as well as stays in hospital are all gratefull, i bet they see it as free, if it were not they would proberbly have debts and bills going into figures that equal far more than what they have paid in.

i thought the idea was to give everybody free healthcare. it might not be free if you have never used it, but who knows when things will take a turn for the worse and you or a family members needs it. and are free from the stress of hospital bills mounting to amounts they could never pay back.
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:42 AM
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Would call you a troll, but that would insult trolls.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by brommas
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Would call you a troll, but that would insult trolls.



I would call you a naughty word for "vagina" but that would be against the T&S and an insult to vaginas.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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I here what you are saying and i agree with you, however, the human being that made this thread seems about 200 years behind the rest of us when it comes to moving forward. The days of the great british empire are long gone and will never be back. We are still paying for a monarchy,(granted they do do some stuff now)why do we need them, on terms of sovereignty etc, the eu makes the decision, why are we still paying for these leeches? Cameron, guy was chosen because of who he is, that is all period, look at his parents and that says it all, there is 1 agenda going down in the uk, clear as day.

The world in its present state is a sad place to be, everything that is happening in the uk is about the rich trying to get richer and do away with the middle class.

I will stop there before the thread is derailed.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:23 AM
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Exactly!


And I speak as one who for at least the last 12 years has been earning well below the 'poverty level'.

Okay, so I can't afford to buy a new iPhone every year. But I don't need an iPhone. And for that matter, if I cut back on alcohol I suppose I could afford a new iPhone ......

Poverty no longer means not having enough to eat and having to wear threadbare clothes. It just means you don't have as much money to waste on things you don't need as most other people.
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:39 AM
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It's easy to blame the government in cases like this.

Because clearly it's the governments fault for the poor to continually pop out the kids despite not being able to support and feed the kids they already have...


If you had made this post about the starving in Africa what would the response be?

Do you propose some sort of 'means test' before people are 'allowed' to procreate?

More evidence if ever I needed it that we are heading back to Victorianesque times with all the inequalities and hypocrisy that went with it.



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:43 AM
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A lot of African nations are suffering a similar issue.

Although their reasons are more to do with lack of education and high mortality rates.

I wish there was a means test...may stop the cycle of dead beats raising deadbeats who will bring more dead beats into the world.

(I'm referring to the likes of the speed freaks I mention earlier)


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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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You've tried to answer one of the two questions without saying anything at all.

I know you well enough from around this place to know you'll have some sort of reasoning for your opinion....I for one would appreciate it if you shared it with me.

ETA.

Just to add - the state of the UK is directly due to the policies of successive British governments and the incompetence and arrogance of politicians and the banker elites and NOT the British people who as always have to pay the price.
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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I wish there was a means test...may stop the cycle of dead beats raising deadbeats who will bring more dead beats into the world.


did it ever cross your mind those 'deadbeats' don't actually want to be deadbeats??

they're ill as in addicted.

nobody chooses to be a junkie.

we've got to get to the root of the cause, those 'deadbeats' are not the cause.


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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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A lot of African nations are suffering a similar issue. Although their reasons are more to do with lack of education and high mortality rates.


and i'm sure it has nothing to do with corruption and plutocracy's?

africa has been raped dry of their resources yet lack of education and a high mortality rate are the cause of the poverty



posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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My response on Africa is much the same, I've commented on it before but buggered if I can find the post.

I feel a lot more blame needs to be put on the governments there though, means testing wouldn't work but perhaps education will.

I don't really know how much more I can elaborate, at the end of the day I feel that it's a matter of adults not taking responsibility for their actions, there are of course exceptions to this but It's an all too common thing.



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