The America I once knew is gone.

I am actually having a difficult time writing this. I thought, egotistically and mistakenly, that I was one of those who are "Awake".

Guess what?

I just woke up.

I feel like the bottom just dropped out. But as the shock and numbness wear off a little, I realize I am

1st hopeful- i guess its true that hope is like the Emily Dickenson poem- it perches in the soul

and 2nd, I am more furious than I have ever been in my life!

I do not care which side of the aisle you stand on in this OWS situation...BUT..............

Boston police beating our American soldiers????

The ones who risk or give up their lives for our country???

I was wondering what the mobilizing incident would be for me.

This is it.

3rd Those in charge or TPTB will be waiting with baited breath for people to go ballistic. We must keep calm, remember the constitution of our United States that so many have died protecting. Let us honor them and ourselves by organizing rationally and calmly, but always focused on the goal of being united- the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and the Republic for which it stands.

Peace

reply to post by desertdweller1


Well I oppose OWS.

But I gave you a star for not calling the United States a Democracy.

reply to post by desertdweller1
Agreed. What I watched happen in Boston tonight is something I would have expected to see in Gorky Park or Tienanmen Square, not a United States City. I don't know how it came to this, but here we are guys. Now what?

I feel you man, im sitting here watching the same thing...

For others who dont know about this boston abuse... heres a clip of it

Honeycomb... Its obvious you have a problem with OWS, more like a blind hatred... and in that hatred you even cheer on un-constitutional actions in every thread about OWS... Why is that the only topic you focus on?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I was watching and I did not see anything I considered to be police brutality. They were well within standard protocol.

reply to post by morder1


Because the 99% is going to attempt to bring us socialism.

Socialism is not less government and regulation it is more of it and they turn a blind eye to human rights and inalienable rights and freedom as well.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by desertdweller1

 

Agreed. What I watched happen in Boston tonight is something I would have expected to see in Gorky Park or Tienanmen Square, not a United States City. I don't know how it came to this, but here we are guys. Now what?

Agreed! I was watching Boston thinking it DID NOT LOOK like a city in a "Free" country!

There are other cities being raided by police too. Sad, sad, *snip*

reply to post by thehoneycomb


So its worth destroying our constitution to not have socialism?

good point

reply to post by morder1


As stated, for the police that was standard protocol. It was everything I would expect them to do. They did not violate the constitution. The protestors were violating curfew and trespassing, and just because you are a veteran does not mean that you are above the law.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Well good thing this isn't about you, son.

Everyone else will see the video and they will see the brutality. And you will become an ignored minority.

Anyhow.

*Protocol.....

"Protocol" does not excuse a rights violation.

"Just following orders" is no an excuse.

"Adhering to Department policy" has never been an excuse.

This is a meme that is growing in the country.

Eventually the millennials are going to come to power and I don't think they'll have a problem taking the pensions from those who "were only following policy". They have the technology to track down and keep records on almost everyone involved in subverting the country and the law of the land. It ridiculous how detailed the evidence will be when the time comes for prosecution.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by morder1

 

As stated, for the police that was standard protocol. It was everything I would expect them to do. They did not violate the constitution. The protestors were violating curfew and trespassing, and just because you are a veteran does not mean that you are above the law.

Well cops don't exactly treat other cops that way when they see another cop break the law, now do they?

Cops abuse their power every day, and their friends in blue turn a blind eye. But tackling and cuffing a veteran is ok because he's in the park protesting past curfew?

reply to post by Exuberant1


Thats ok, I am a minority according to you. But I am standing on the right side of history.

OWS will not be on the right side when this is over.

reply to post by MysticPearl


I wouldn't know, I am not a police officer.

I just happen to have respect for those who take an oath to protect the constitution.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


I don't think you have the kind of foresight you think you have.

*"Right side of history". This is jingoistic. Your previous statement shows that you are unable to distinguish a rights violation, and so you are probably not equipped to determine which side will be the "right" one, historically speaking.

reply to post by Exuberant1


Thats cool, if OWS fulfills it's purpose then the constitution will no longer apply.

Until that day comes and after, I am still correct.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


you're so incorrect it might as well be stamped on your forehead dude...all these people are fighting FOR the constitutional rights we hold dear...not against it...

reply to post by here4awhile


No they aren't.

They are in the streets openly advocating socialism, calling for the end of capitalism and thus the United States and holding hands with the labor unions.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
if OWS fulfills it's purpose then the constitution will no longer apply.

What Constitution?

This is America circa 2011, not 1990 kid.

Your president can kill and torture you without trial. And he'll do it to your mommy if he wants too.

So what Constitution are you referring to here?

It couldn't be the one preventing the president from assassinating you would it?

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by here4awhile

 

No they aren't.

They are in the streets openly advocating socialism, calling for the end of capitalism and thus the United States and holding hands with the labor unions.

You're still beating that dead horse of a thread you were spam linking in all the other OWS threads a couple days ago?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

that's one constitutional right worth fighting for...

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by MysticPearl

 

I wouldn't know, I am not a police officer.

I just happen to have respect for those who take an oath to protect the constitution.

You wouldn't know?

You've been an ATS regular for awhile, and are well aware of the police abuse threads which pop up weekly. We have seen everything from planting drugs and shooting unarmed individuals, to beating an old man in a wheelchair, drug running or something as petty as getting arrested for recording a traffic stop from your front yard.

There hasn't been a single story, ever, that I can recall, of a cop treating a fellow cop the same way we saw the vet treated tonight, for such a minor offense. I don't recall a story of a cop doing it for any offense, no matter how large, ever.

You obviously are aware cops cover for each other, look out for each other, and let each other off for things they would hammer you or I for.

Whether you're a police officer or not has nothing to do with it. You simply choose to see it this way.