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reply posted on 11-10-2011 @ 05:21 PM by camaro68ss
Originally posted by TrueBrit
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Got a word for you . Hydroponics. Not just a dirty word, describing the methodologies of less than scrupulous purveyors of questionable substances, hydroponics allows for the growth of crops indoors. While I realise that creating a structure to house a decent sized crop would have its issues, there are also ways that hydroponic process can be used to accelerate the growth of a given crop.

And since the only thing that holds most people back from creating sizeable structures on their property is material cost and zoning laws, you need not consider these, since in a true SHTF scenario, the last thing you will be worried about is the legality of your material aquisition policy, and the possibility of councilmen bashing down your door to serve you with a deconstruction notice!

Alternatively , if you have a basement, or the possibility of digging one without collapsing or weakening the structure of your dwelling, that can sometimes be preferable to a surface structure, since surface structures can be difficult to insulate. The only thing you would need to do is ensure that you have a good and reliable powersource for the lighting and ventilation of your hydroponics facility.

The thing is, having your crops out in the air would of course be better in terms of keeping things natural,but it would leave your crop open to chemical or biological attack. In the event of seige , you need to have as much access to raw food stuffs as you can get , and burying your crop and your food stores underground and out of site, means that you would be more difficult to dislodge in the event of a serious encirclement by hostile forces. This would mean that the possibility of being starved out would be greatly reduced.

Just a thought. I will be going now.


these are all good points, the most likely would be crop burning or shooting our cattle, we have 50 of them. and that has not been addressed very well. the only thing we came up with was not putting it all in one spot.

As for fires we have a 6 mile 6in PVC pipe we just installed underground that runs up the Mt. to a lake and is feed by gravity. so if a fire did brake out we could put it out fast with the fire hoses we have.

This pipe is also our life line to our primary clean water sorce. secondary is the 6 pounds and the river 1/2 mile down Mt.
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reply posted on 11-10-2011 @ 06:01 PM by TrueBrit
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The fact that you have good water access,and not just one source but several secondaries, is a definite asset. As long as you can switch them in the event of someone posioning the well so to speak, you should be fine with that. But the thing is you have to think about the motivations of a beseiging force in a SHTF situation.

Food is scarce, access to clean water difficult for most. Guns and other weapons would likely be easier to locate than basic staples. This would apply to any individual or group used to city life more than to others, since they would have less natural affinity with and capacity to use nature to thier advantage, and set up crops of thier own. This would make them desperate to get hold of something to eat, to drink. In that scenario of course, they are unlikely to destroy any source of those things that they come across.

But they may be vindictive enough to think " well if Im not getting any, and Im gonna die, I dont see why you lot ought to be able to have it either" and destroy the lot! .Thats why masking the presence of resources in such a scenario is , in my opinion , a must. If your home or base appears to be a small holding containing persons who are just scratching out a crappy living in a difficult situation, then the location is less likely to be assaulted by determined scavengers.

That means that the only motivation anyone would reasonably have to approach your location, would be curiosity, or hostile or nefarious intent toward your personal safety or the security of your possesions, such as they may be.

In theory , in this scenario it would be best to ensure that every little thing that you do to improve your security , is coupled with making it appear as if nothing much is going on at your location. Obviously you want to look occupied, so that squatters dont get the idea they can move in, because that could create an unfortunate scenario, but keeping the extent of your sucessful survival on the down low, would keep you safer than all the intersecting lanes of fire, walls, fences, earthworks, vehicle baffles, and military know how you can name.


reply posted on 11-10-2011 @ 09:02 PM by camaro68ss
Originally posted by wonner
cattle just DRAW enemies. you can bet that half of your 30 won''t show up, and 1/3rd or more will be sick, injured, utterly distracted by their loved ones. That's why dependents aren't allowed into war zones, you know. They render the soldiers ineffective. Large groups just contain your worst enemies. You can't get 5 guys to agree on a single type of rifle and load, and you 'think" that everyone is going to agree on who the boss is, who pulls guard duty, etc.? What a laugh!

patrols just let your people get picked off easily, and movement just draws attention. You'd need more like 100 soldiers, without dependents to do what you think you are going to do. It's not gonna happen. Stick to just your nuclear family. You will be lucky if you get all of them to a safe area, stash enough food for them, hide them in a dugout, and keep them disciplined (since they AINT now, for sure) to keep quiet, for months on end, never go out in the daylight, etc. One of them will screw up, and get all of you killed, most likely.


haha, whatever dude, my family members wont get me killed. we play war games and practice tatics all the time. hell i bet you my sister can group hits closer then you can. I would not pick anyone else other then my family to have my back. you see, my familys not weak like yours might be or the average joes family. you must be from england or france.

most our crew will make it because we all know the signs and triggers to leave before SHTF.

Patrols get you picked off? what do you think this is iraq or something? lol you have very poor logic

you cant have a army of 100 men, the cost to get that much food is outrages and you cant hide in a hole like a coward like you want to do. Its highly unlikely we will incounter any type of organized bandits as we are out in the middle of no where.

you need cattle, goats, chickens, and pigs for food and wealth after the SHTF.

sorry buddy, hidding in a hole in the fetal postion is not for. it might be for you, but not for me.
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